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Hat Trick of Today
Profile Joined February 2025
129 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-23 04:05:10
3 hours ago
#106521
This is exactly like the Elon Musk is not a Nazi arguments from conservatives all over again. Yeah OK he’s not a card carrying member of the Nazi Party so everyone calling him a Nazi is wrong. Nevermind that this is a man who spends 15 hours a day being a reply guy to self admitted fascists and white nationalists who very much do support the actions of the Third Reich. Is there a real functional difference beyond people being huge losers arguing over very specific terms that really doesn’t change the fact that the person in question is still a fascist?

To any reasonable person, who gives a fuck. Donald Trump is a 1980s New York socialite who has been previously accused of rape by his ex-wife, has bragged about sexually harassing beauty pageant contestants, and was very good friends with notorious sex pests like Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein. Like is the argument “Donald Trump can’t be legally called a rapist…he’s just a self admitted serial sexual harasser with numerous allegations of rape so lay off him”?

What’s next, Jeffrey Epstein can’t be called a pedophile because he’s actually an ephebophile?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23430 Posts
2 hours ago
#106522
Does this point on Trump and Carroll also mean it would be fair to say US government agencies conspired to kill MLK Jr. based on the verdict in the Loyd Jowers trial?

The jury required only one hour of deliberations to reach a unanimous verdict that King was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. They found Jowers responsible, and also found that "government agencies" were among the co-conspirators.


en.wikipedia.org
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-23 05:22:01
1 hour ago
#106523
On October 23 2025 12:23 Razyda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2025 11:09 KwarK wrote:
On October 23 2025 11:01 Razyda wrote:
On October 23 2025 10:52 KwarK wrote:
Trump is, legally speaking, a rapist.


Was he ever convicted of rape?

Yes. The court found that he sexually penetrated a woman’s vagina without her consent. The name for that is rape. Your counter argument, that he didn’t use his penis to penetrate her, doesn’t matter. Your counter argument that it was a civil proceeding rather than a criminal one doesn’t matter. It doesn’t change what the court found he did. Trump is, legally speaking, a rapist.

For what it’s worth he also stole money from children’s cancer charities. He’s just an all round piece of shit.

I also don't see how you got from being upset about the lawfare being used against Trump to learning that he actually did the things he was found to have done to
I don't give a damn.
Well, I do see how you got there, you know what I think about you, but yeah, it's not good.


Quite literally he was never found guilty of rape. Your "legally speaking" statement is provably false, unless you are able to provide criminal case where Trump was found guilty of rape??? You are going full MP route now where you decided to find indefensible hill to die on.

" Your counter argument, that he didn’t use his penis to penetrate her, doesn’t matter." - WTF?? this was not my counter argument, my counter argument was that trial was lacking in evidence?

"Trump is, legally speaking, a rapist." - he is literally not, unless you are able to provide the case where he is charged with rape and found guilty.

"For what it’s worth he also stole money from children’s cancer charities. He’s just an all round piece of shit." - no argument here.

"I also don't see how you got from being upset about the lawfare being used against Trump to learning that he actually did the things he was found to have done to
Show nested quote +
I don't give a damn.
Well, I do see how you got there, you know what I think about you, but yeah, it's not good."

Kwark you sort of melting. I literally just explained how I dont think he should be found guilty in this particular case. I think that it is worth mentioning that you never challanged single issue I had with the trial, but merely my conclusion?

"I do see how you got there, you know what I think about you, but yeah, it's not good" - I do and it makes me happy, it literally makes my life easier. You are doing the very thing you shat on MP for, choosing indefensible hill to die on. Trump was never convicted of rape, hence you cant say he is "legally speaking" a rapist. Worlld doesnt work this way. I must say I find your arguments wanting.


I don't get your argument here. You are just saying that he shouldn't have been found guilty of sexual assault, but presumably you agree that the statement "trump was found guilty of sexual assault by that particular jury" is correct? What's the contention?
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3230 Posts
1 hour ago
#106524
On October 23 2025 13:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
Does this point on Trump and Carroll also mean it would be fair to say US government agencies conspired to kill MLK Jr. based on the verdict in the Loyd Jowers trial?

Show nested quote +
The jury required only one hour of deliberations to reach a unanimous verdict that King was assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. They found Jowers responsible, and also found that "government agencies" were among the co-conspirators.


en.wikipedia.org

IIRC that was a case in which both the defendant and the plaintiffs were accusing the government, and nobody present was actually representing the “no they didn’t” position? Not to say I think “the FBI had MLK killed” is *implausible* but it’s a bit of a peculiar court case to draw many conclusions from.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
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