EPTAre there progressives poised to replace older establishment types, or notable shifts to supporting significantly more progressive policy by entrenched establishment types?
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
Are there progressives poised to replace older establishment types, or notable shifts to supporting significantly more progressive policy by entrenched establishment types? | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
Some blue state or states (CA is the obvious choice) create an agency dedicated to combatting illegal overreach by federal agents. It has three arms:
There are existing institutions that serve some of these purposes (journalists, ACLU, ICEblock) but this would be resourced by (in CA’s case) the largest tax base in the country, requires only state-level action to exist, and would have full legal authority to actually *enforce* the law once feds are breaking the law. The right will cry about blue states defending criminals or whatever, of course, but at least you get to throw all their states-rights, fear-the-government, “I want a federal government small enough I could drown it in a bathtub” rhetoric back at them. And anyway who cares if they whine, they have no authority to prevent it. Thoughts? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46481 Posts
On October 13 2025 00:57 Uldridge wrote: Primary schools start with intro's to media literacy, like whaf are scams and whatnot, probably ai stuff as well. So I hope we're trying to slingshot our educatuon back into caught up, but I'm not sure they have the time/knowledge to actually pass it all on without skipping relevant parts. We'll see in the next few years I guess! I wouldn't be surprised if there is a lot of pushback by conservatives and religious groups against how to determine scams and how to properly assess stories, for obvious reasons. They'll eventually say the quiet part out loud - for the millionth time - that facts and evidence have a left-wing, non-theocratic bias. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46481 Posts
On October 13 2025 01:36 GreenHorizons wrote: Basically everyone agrees Democrats could be more progressive and that would be better for humanity. Besides Mamdani, have progressives among Democrats been making any progress on that since the 2024 election? Are there progressives poised to replace older establishment types, or notable shifts to supporting significantly more progressive policy by entrenched establishment types? I'd also be interested in learning which mayors of big cities, which governors, and which congresspeople could represent the next (hopefully more) progressive generation. Ras Baraka was the most progressive New Jersey gubernatorial candidate in our current race - I voted for him - but he lost the Democratic primary to the 2nd-or-3rd most progressive candidate. (Ras Baraka is also 55, not exactly a spring chicken... but not exactly old for a politician, either.) | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5226 Posts
On October 13 2025 05:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if there is a lot of pushback by conservatives and religious groups against how to determine scams and how to properly assess stories, for obvious reasons. They'll eventually say the quiet part out loud - for the millionth time - that facts and evidence have a left-wing, non-theocratic bias. Well, we don't really have all that much pushback here, people tend to more or less trust the education system. Sorry... As for the US, yeah it's going to be a shitshow to battle for "what is useful and actually the correct truth". | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46481 Posts
On October 13 2025 05:55 Uldridge wrote: Well, we don't really have all that much pushback here, people tend to more or less trust the education system. Sorry... As for the US, yeah it's going to be a shitshow to battle for "what is useful and actually the correct truth". Yeah, I was only thinking about how the red states in my country are going to be really pissed off, as they have a history of purposely and maliciously undermining education in many subjects. Good for Belgium though! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46481 Posts
On October 13 2025 02:02 ChristianS wrote: The thread’s slowed down a bit, so how about this: I have a hare-brained scheme, maybe you guys can tell me why it’s a bad idea (or offer improvements!). Some blue state or states (CA is the obvious choice) create an agency dedicated to combatting illegal overreach by federal agents. It has three arms:
There are existing institutions that serve some of these purposes (journalists, ACLU, ICEblock) but this would be resourced by (in CA’s case) the largest tax base in the country, requires only state-level action to exist, and would have full legal authority to actually *enforce* the law once feds are breaking the law. The right will cry about blue states defending criminals or whatever, of course, but at least you get to throw all their states-rights, fear-the-government, “I want a federal government small enough I could drown it in a bathtub” rhetoric back at them. And anyway who cares if they whine, they have no authority to prevent it. Thoughts? Isn't this one of those 10th amendment issues, where perhaps only the federal government can do what you're hoping one state can do to/for another state? Like, I don't know if Oregon can constitutionally give permission to California to do something like that... but then again, when it comes to disaster relief, certain states happily welcome the aid of both federal and nearby state workers. Instead of a hurricane though, it's a Republican-led gestapo, so I think even my asking "Is it allowed in the Constitution" is trying to futilely win a game while playing by the rules, whereas the MAGA cult has long since deserted any sort of fair play. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On October 13 2025 05:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'd also be interested in learning which mayors of big cities, which governors, and which congresspeople could represent the next (hopefully more) progressive generation. Ras Baraka was the most progressive New Jersey gubernatorial candidate in our current race - I voted for him - but he lost the Democratic primary to the 2nd-or-3rd most progressive candidate. (Ras Baraka is also 55, not exactly a spring chicken... but not exactly old for a politician, either.) Guess we'll see if any of the progressives around here are tapped into that sort of info. Can I ask why you didn't mention supporting Ras Baraka until after he lost and you were talking about supporting someone else (less progressive) going forward? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46481 Posts
On October 13 2025 07:27 GreenHorizons wrote: Guess we'll see if any of the progressives around here are tapped into that sort of info. Can I ask why you didn't mention supporting Ras Baraka until after he lost and you were talking about supporting someone else (less progressive) going forward? I only mentioned Ras Baraka just now because you asked about progressives. I think by most accounts he's a legitimately progressive politician, even though New Jersey decisively leaned center-left in the Democratic primary. I didn't go out of my way to hide my preference for the most progressive Democratic primary candidate, if that's what you're concerned about; I think I only mentioned the NJ gubernatorial election once or twice in this thread, but I spent a decent amount of time canvassing / spreading the word for Baraka to likely voters. (I'd say that the first general election debate went better for the Republican than the Democrat, though they recently had a second debate, which I'd say ended in a tie. The polls are very close, and I think it'll be a coinflip as to whether the Democrat or Republican wins in November.) | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On October 13 2025 07:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Isn't this one of those 10th amendment issues, where perhaps only the federal government can do what you're hoping one state can do to/for another state? Like, I don't know if Oregon can constitutionally give permission to California to do something like that... but then again, when it comes to disaster relief, certain states happily welcome the aid of both federal and nearby state workers. Instead of a hurricane though, it's a Republican-led gestapo, so I think even my asking "Is it allowed in the Constitution" is trying to futilely win a game while playing by the rules, whereas the MAGA cult has long since deserted any sort of fair play. I’m no constitutional lawyer, but I’d think the 10th Amendment is pretty friendly to all this. States have interstate compacts for all kinds of purposes, including law enforcement purposes. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1199 Posts
Jeffrey D Vance gets just cut off after deflecting a question about the DOJ ordering FBI to stand down further investigations, after FBI agents have taped evidence of Tom "Border Tzar" Homan accepting a $50k cash bribe to award ICE contracts to certain companies | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
Bank deregulation set to unlock $2.6tn of Wall Street lending capacity This is, of course, happening on top of the insane corruption happening with the Crypto markets, like the blatant Bitcoin shorting that made an insider 196 million just by knowing that Trump's going to restart the China trade war: On top of all that we have OpenAI, Oracle and Nvidia all investing between themselves and in to the AI datacenters and this being a huge chunk of US GDP growth, despite most companies reporting issues with AI adoption and the development going in to something of a slow down. It honestly seems to me like everything is heading for an economic shitstorm of untold proportions and I have a feeling that like always everyone, not just the US will be affected. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1199 Posts
If so, Trump admin would have the perfect grift machine. I think we need an economic crash in the US, to end greedflation and low effort BS. Companies cut workers, then sell less for more, and in a beautiful moment pay less for labour.. while people adjust their spending. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On October 13 2025 23:11 KT_Elwood wrote: OoDuring shutdown, economic indicators won't be published anymore - but are they taken? If so, Trump admin would have the perfect grift machine. I think we need an economic crash in the US, to end greedflation and low effort BS. Companies cut workers, then sell less for more, and in a beautiful moment pay less for labour.. while people adjust their spending. When has it ever worked like that. a Crash isn't going to stop companies from exploiting workers nor consumers. All it does it all the richest to consolidate more wealth. | ||
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
What kind of punishment should masked ICE agents face for their blatant violations of rights? Will they face prison sentences, fines, or other penalties, or will they walk free since they couldn't be identified behind their masks? How about media corporations and tech giants, and their owners? Will they be fined, made to pay reparations, and broken up? Are the owners anyway responsible, or is losing stock value enough of a punishment for collaborating with the fascist government? Many can probably argue that they did not explicitly break the law, or that any crime occurred outside the statute of limitations. Current law may not even consider these cases as violations, and you may need to pass laws to be applied retroactively. Otherwise, the people responsible will get their payoff and can continue to act. Especially, they may slow any attempts to correct and fix the root causes and damages. This would again teach the lesson that you should abuse the system and power when ever its possible. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46481 Posts
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
On October 14 2025 22:31 Velr wrote: That you still believe in the US justice or political system after Jan 6th and the pitifull aftermath is sort of cute. I don't really believe that their current justice system could punish them. It is clear that prosecutors are way too politicised. However, I think it would be beneficial to have a clear idea of what justice would look like afterwards. Anyone who gains power later should understand the demands of the people, so that trust in the system can be restored. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3265 Posts
On October 14 2025 23:34 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Trump deserted his failed Middle East peace talks (which instantly ended with a superficial ceasefire that lasted for less than a day) to posthumously give the Presidential Medal Of Freedom to a fellow white nationalist: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-set-posthumously-award-charlie-kirk-presidential-medal/story?id=126485749 He can join the hallowed ranks of Bill Cosby, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair, Jim Jordan, Rudy Giuliani, and Rush Limbaugh in receiving the award. Who wouldn't clamor from the grave to join those sex abusers and war criminals? | ||
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