EPT"Self responsibility is the cornerstone of a happy, fulfilling life" sounds reasonable to some extent, at least until you start saying we live in an inherently just world and all suffering is karmatic somehow. But if you know that's blatantly false, then you start to realize poverty is a result of political policy and not a personal moral failure.
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LightSpectra
United States3038 Posts
"Self responsibility is the cornerstone of a happy, fulfilling life" sounds reasonable to some extent, at least until you start saying we live in an inherently just world and all suffering is karmatic somehow. But if you know that's blatantly false, then you start to realize poverty is a result of political policy and not a personal moral failure. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27265 Posts
On October 11 2025 00:09 LightSpectra wrote: Real question, what does "personal responsibility" mean? Everyone should just have 6+ months of pay in emergency savings? Nobody should get a job that's liable to being furloughed or laid off? Just don't live in a country with an unstable government? "Self responsibility is the cornerstone of a happy, fulfilling life" sounds reasonable to some extent, at least until you start saying we live in an inherently just world and all suffering is karmatic somehow. But if you know that's blatantly false, then you start to realize poverty is a result of political policy and not a personal moral failure. It’s complete bullshit. It just means having money. I’m quite open about being diagnostically insane for a while, and needing a bit of time in a psych ward. My best buddy from there, and we’re still in touch is really wealthy. Why? Completely impulsively he pumped all his money into BitCoin while being psychotic. Worked out ok for him, but it wasn’t responsible. He’ll 100% agree on this. His dad subsequently passed, and he got another 250k to add to his net worth, when he sold the house. Guy is borderline a millionaire. He’ll never, ever say it was because he was responsible. Ever. He knows he lucked out. He went back to school to be a mental health nurse, he feels very strongly about giving back. I know he’s helped fellow ‘inmates’ financially to get back on their feet. Guy gets it. I’ve all the time in the world for him. But, as he would concede 100% (not a hypothetical, we’ve had this convo), he ploughed all his money into BitCoin while being extremely unwell. If mental health services worked quicker, he wouldn’t have even have had access to his money. It’s an extreme example, but responsibility my fucking hole. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22519 Posts
On October 11 2025 00:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote: So she can get different work but won't. As someone who cares so deeply about personal responsibly, have you told her to 'git gud'?She anticipated some of these shenanigans and can get a job at the FDIC or as a day trader. She has enough savings to last 8 months so she'll be fine. She makes about 70% of her open market value right now. She is more self responsible than I am. She lived through a far more difficult childhood than I did. Its been a walk in the park for me. If you're looking to explore in more detail how a self responsible life is the best way to live.. .here you go. https://www.amazon.ca/Taking-Responsibility-Nathaniel-Branden-Ph-D/dp/0684832488 I'm better at SC2 than she is though. She can't even get out of Gold!  If she is choosing to stay employed with an unreliable employer who can just decide not to pay her, but she can easily find other worth then I fail to see the problem here. Or is this about you finding out the consequences of your own political leanings? I somehow doubt this will turn into a big life lesson about hitching your cart to a felon, conman liable for sexual assault tho. But one can hope. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5201 Posts
This guy was an ultranationalist since primary school... I'm completely appalled. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24252 Posts
On October 11 2025 00:34 Uldridge wrote: Today I've learned about the personal history of Stephen Miller and his white power crusade. When a guy like that gets this kind of a platform, it's time to get out. What the hell. This guy was an ultranationalist since primary school... I'm completely appalled. If the overwhelming advice for us is to shut up and get out, are you all at least going to fight to get us welcomed into your countries regardless of our pasts, or do we have to be model citizens to be worthy of escape to your countries? | ||
KwarK
United States44242 Posts
On October 11 2025 00:34 Uldridge wrote: Today I've learned about the personal history of Stephen Miller and his white power crusade. When a guy like that gets this kind of a platform, it's time to get out. What the hell. This guy was an ultranationalist since primary school... I'm completely appalled. The weird thing about him is that he didn't appear to have any trauma. The rest of his family are normal and don't know what went so wrong with him. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27265 Posts
On October 11 2025 00:36 GreenHorizons wrote: If the overwhelming advice for us is to shut up and get out, are you all at least going to fight to get us welcomed into your countries regardless of our pasts, or do we have to be model citizens to be worthy of escape to your countries? Nah. At least in actuality. There are American hands, and American funding all over right wing movements throughout Europe. That have consistently pushed anti-migrant rhetoric. Alongside domestic nonsense in that regard. Are you poor? Or black? Well good luck with that as we harden borders over here. One of many tangible consequences of electing Trump over the genocide enablers. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3038 Posts
On October 11 2025 00:42 KwarK wrote: The weird thing about him is that he didn't appear to have any trauma. The rest of his family are normal and don't know what went so wrong with him. My older brother is the same way. Went full Neo-Nazi for no discernible reason, other than having been a fanatical Rush Limbaugh fan since he was a teenager (also for no discernible reason). Our family is also ethnically Jewish. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24252 Posts
Russ Vought, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, said on the social media site X that the “RIFs have begun,” referring to reduction-in-force plans aimed at reducing the size of the federal government. A spokesperson for the budget office, said the reductions are “substantial” but did not offer more immediate details. www.pbs.org | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22519 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24252 Posts
On October 11 2025 02:33 Gorsameth wrote: can't wait for them all be hired back for higher cost in a month when it turns out their jobs were needed. It's weird in that there's already a huge drop in federal workers so either the government is going to need to start imploding or the "government bloat" folks will be emboldened (even if they are catastrophically undermining US democracy). | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22519 Posts
On October 11 2025 02:42 GreenHorizons wrote: We already saw it with DOGE where people needed to be rehired because it turns out there is less bloat in the government then you would think.It's weird in that there's already a huge drop in federal workers so either the government is going to need to start imploding or the "government bloat" folks will be emboldened (even if they are catastrophically undermining US democracy). I see no reason to assume this will be different. (this is ofc assuming you don't want these organisations to just fail and stop working. Which atleast part of those in power seem to actually want) | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5201 Posts
On October 11 2025 00:36 GreenHorizons wrote: If the overwhelming advice for us is to shut up and get out, are you all at least going to fight to get us welcomed into your countries regardless of our pasts, or do we have to be model citizens to be worthy of escape to your countries? What would you want me do for you to consider adequate? Bare in mind I know nothing of the asylum process. But I can research and drive people around and leave my phone number for advice and even offer my couch and some food. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27265 Posts
Are they actually being persecuted? Plenty of folks the world over are and I’d have further up that particular queue. Maybe they’re genocide enablers? I mean can’t be having that now can we? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24252 Posts
On October 11 2025 03:09 Uldridge wrote: What would you want me do for you to consider adequate? Bare in mind I know nothing of the asylum process. But I can research and drive people around and leave my phone number for advice and even offer my couch and some food. That sounds pretty good. Seems you'd want to start learning about the asylum process though? Doing what's right/necessary might also not be legal when you do it. Maybe you'll eventually be a stop on TL's leg of the modern "underground railroad" | ||
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decafchicken
United States20168 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Great — let’s frame this around a legal, ethical, and self-sustaining “intentional community” rather than anything that would raise red flags as political asylum activity. Below is the outline for how a group of Americans (or other foreigners) could create a lawful co-housing or cooperative settlement in Belgium under existing EU rules. 1️⃣ Choose a legal wrapper 🏢 Option A: ASBL / VZW (non-profit association) Purpose: cultural, educational, ecological, or social-solidarity community. Members: minimum 3 founders, any nationality. Legal personality: can own or lease land, open a bank account, employ staff. Reporting: annual accounts + list of directors. ✅ Easiest structure for a value-driven community. 🏠 Option B: Cooperative company (SCRL / CVBA) Purpose: shared housing, agriculture, renewable energy, local enterprise. Members: at least 3 shareholders; profits can be reinvested. Capital: flexible; each resident buys shares that represent their stake. ✅ Better if you plan commercial activities or property ownership. 2️⃣ Acquire or lease property Rural commune areas (Wallonia, Flanders) tend to be cheaper and open to co-housing. You can buy a farm, village house cluster, or disused school; ASBL/coop becomes the legal owner. Every resident must still register individually at that address with the local commune (proof of residence, ID, health insurance). 3️⃣ Immigration & residence paths Since you are Belgian, you anchor the project. Others can join via: Route Who it fits Main requirement EU family reunification partner / dependents Proof of relationship & income Work permit (Type B) employees of your coop Employment contract Self-employed permit freelancers, entrepreneurs Business plan & capital (~€14 000) Student visa younger members Enrollment in Belgian program Cultural volunteer visa short-term helpers Approved ASBL host, insurance Each resident still files for their own legal stay — the compound doesn’t override Belgian immigration law. 4️⃣ Governance & daily life Write by-laws: decision process, membership rules, dispute resolution. Use sociocratic or cooperative governance (rotating facilitators, transparent budgets). Register the by-laws in French or Dutch with the local commercial court. Maintain ordinary utilities, municipal taxes, and safety inspections (fire, building code). 5️⃣ Funding model Initial pooled capital: members’ buy-ins or a cooperative loan. Ongoing income: resident rent, local business (farm, café, coworking, retreats), EU rural-development grants. Bookkeeping through the ASBL or coop; hire an accountant once revenue > €50 000/year. 6️⃣ Cultural positioning Present it publicly as: “A Belgian-led, international co-housing and sustainability initiative promoting community resilience and cross-cultural exchange.” This language keeps it apolitical and eligible for local support programs. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3038 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9330 Posts
This is annoying to me but I think it would be okay if the bots were a bit smarter and/or assertive instead of giving the user the answers they want to see. One of the best examples I can list is that random naive probably Russian dude that shows up in the Ukraine thread once in a while with his chat GPT results. He lives in his misinformation bubble but is kind of aware there are people who disagree with his accepted story. Unfortunately the bot is unable to explain to him that he should rethink some important things in his life instead of helping to spread the misinfo in the human part of the internet. The internet is going to become hell in the next 5-10 years because sooner or later we won't be able to tell if we're reading human or AI generated content we certainly shoudn't trust. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5201 Posts
Academia is apparently inundated wtih AI papers There are these AI "news sites" that pump out low level mis/disinformation at a dazzling pace and they are now also picked up by LLMs as training data. So you have slop training slop. This combined with the active mis/disinfo landscape is actually making me extremely distrustful from almost literally anything I see or hear nowadays. And the problem is that I can't know what's true any longer. It doesn't really matter in the end, because if I can still see the sky is blue I won't be gaslit into thinking it's actually brown, no matter how persuasive that shit gets. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
you get them Meta/OpenAi glasses with AR capabilities that makes the sky brown for you - really any color you want as life on Ai is "choose your own hallucinated facts&adventure"! the endless possibilities of running on "auto-pilot" - life fully guided by Big Tech and their superb models. thinking is hard and overrated anyway. adverse effects might be wanting to scratch your eyeballs out after they laser an ad right into your retina every 5 minutes. it's so gonna be worth it. | ||
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