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On October 12 2025 03:02 Uldridge wrote:
Oh man you don't even know how bad it already is.
Academia is apparently inundated wtih AI papers
There are these AI "news sites" that pump out low level mis/disinformation at a dazzling pace and they are now also picked up by LLMs as training data. So you have slop training slop.
This combined with the active mis/disinfo landscape is actually making me extremely distrustful from almost literally anything I see or hear nowadays. And the problem is that I can't know what's true any longer. It doesn't really matter in the end, because if I can still see the sky is blue I won't be gaslit into thinking it's actually brown, no matter how persuasive that shit gets. Exactly, instead of AI scraping the internet blindly regurgitating human answers its going to regurgitate other AI answers who themselves got their answers from some AI bullshit ect.
We're basically watching the 'dead internet theory' go from crazy conspiracy to likely reality right before our eyes.
Kind of amazing if not for the very real damage its going to society.
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This is terrible because the easiest solution is demanding government or bank issued IDs and that will be extremely harmful to the freedom of expression in the internet.
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Is freedom of expression in the internet valuable though?
A lot of the recent shootings have been at least in part been blamed on someone getting radicalized on some strange corner of the internet... obviously I'd rather not have my government looking over my shoulder as I browse the internet, but surely there's a line somewhere?
What specifically are you afraid of, out of curiosity?
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It doesn't matter if the government is looking or not. It's probably not looking but just because it can people will act like it is looking 24/7 and this will turn the internet into a soulless, vapid place full of fake emotions and manipulation many of us experience daily in our professional environments.
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A global information stream is just too much for humanity to handle. We've been absolutely cooking ourselves for the past 20 years.
It started out frivolous, but the insidious tentacles followed much faster than we could anticipate. Before we knew it these tech giants established themselves and secured all the private data people gave up for free for the exchange of just a little but more attention. They soon understood this attention was the actual currency people cared about and secured it in their data fortresses, only to be used for malicious purposes. I always felt like the world made a significant shift since 2012. Just more of everything, folded into itself and won't let anything escape or evolve. It's just more and the same and over and over.
Unironically, the West has only a few (not a handful people, but a sliver of the population) serious figures left who are willing to fight for its cause. Everyone and everything else serves in its own self interest. But maybe that's always been the case and I'm just alive to watch one epoch turn into another.
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On October 12 2025 04:18 Sent. wrote:
This is terrible because the easiest solution is demanding government or bank issued IDs and that will be extremely harmful to the freedom of expression in the internet.
A sufficiently motivated doxxer can generally find the name of a given “anonymous” poster.
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On October 12 2025 04:29 Fleetfeet wrote:
Is freedom of expression in the internet valuable though?
A lot of the recent shootings have been at least in part been blamed on someone getting radicalized on some strange corner of the internet... obviously I'd rather not have my government looking over my shoulder as I browse the internet, but surely there's a line somewhere?
What specifically are you afraid of, out of curiosity? Social media has played a significant role in revolutions, like for example Egypt during the Arab Spring.
without anonymity anyone trying to organise people for protests is quickly disappeared by dictatorial government.
I'm not saying the bad might not be outweighing the good at this point, just offering an example I can think of off the top of my head.
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yea i used to scroll facebook out of boredom but i am inundated now with fake/false AI ‘news’ and fake AI videos for like every other post and i can not be bothered to have to look up if what i just read was true. it’s finally dead to me.
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On October 12 2025 04:18 Sent. wrote:
This is terrible because the easiest solution is demanding government or bank issued IDs and that will be extremely harmful to the freedom of expression in the internet.
Yes and no. I used to be super opposed to IDs, but I've been coming around. And it's not just AI, it's also just generally people behaving like absolute pigs on the internet. Not all awful behavior is going to improve if anonymity is removed, but a good amount of it will. Catfishing, cyber bullying, whatever 4chan is, etc. will improve. Misinformation will be easier to identify. It won't go away. Alex Jones is an obvious example of someone willfully spouting all the shit into the world without anonymity. Same for AI usage. Just because someone used AI to generate a bunch of slop doesn't mean they won't if they can't be anonymous in this. There's plenty of AI slop in all manner of genres for sale by real people who are happy to publish it under their own name in order to make a quick buck. Academic AI slop still has real "scientists" names on the articles: that's the whole point of trying to publish the slop in the first place. But it'll help people trying to hold others accountable. And it'll reduce the worst of it.
That said, you're wrong on it being easy.
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On October 12 2025 04:56 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2025 04:29 Fleetfeet wrote:
Is freedom of expression in the internet valuable though?
A lot of the recent shootings have been at least in part been blamed on someone getting radicalized on some strange corner of the internet... obviously I'd rather not have my government looking over my shoulder as I browse the internet, but surely there's a line somewhere?
What specifically are you afraid of, out of curiosity? Social media has played a significant role in revolutions, like for example Egypt during the Arab Spring. without anonymity anyone trying to organise people for protests is quickly disappeared by dictatorial government. I'm not saying the bad might not be outweighing the good at this point, just offering an example I can think of off the top of my head.
We‘ll reach the point where AI can fully emulate a person so ID is a no-brainer unless you want some chosen few to control armies of bots like is already the case.
Anything more heavily encrypted is already fully dependent on US cooperation and the country’s been rather unstable lately.
At a technical level, the world is already terrifying.
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Who is responsible for safeguarding my ID information when I provide it to use the internet?
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