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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17682 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-12-05 15:52:38
December 05 2025 15:52 GMT
#107521
double post.
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RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1093 Posts
December 05 2025 15:55 GMT
#107522
I think a lot of people want to use AI like a calculator. Input the correct question, get the correct answer. The problem is that they're not thinking of it as a fallible intelligence, but instead as an answer machine. They can be gullible and believe a human, but will always have doubts unless they become cult-like followers. However, even if they are told the AI is fallible, they'll still look at it as a calculator that gives correct answers and believe it even when it is spreading garbage.

Perhaps having Grok be so blatantly misinformative will actually be a blessing as it will get people to question the answer machines.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10910 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-12-05 16:06:45
December 05 2025 16:00 GMT
#107523
On December 06 2025 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 00:34 Velr wrote:
That Mark Dice guy is really something... Exceprt from his Wikipedia:
In 2008, in response to Starbucks' reintroduction of its original logo (featuring a topless siren), Dice led his group and its 3,000 members in boycotting the coffee chain: "The Starbucks logo has a naked woman on it with her legs spread like a prostitute […] It's extremely poor taste, and the company might as well call themselves Slutbucks." Starbucks had more than 6,000 locations in 2008.[16]
As the founder of The Resistance, Dice told KFSN-TV of his group's intention to disrupt theater showings of 2009's Angels & Demons because the film "is a fraud, aimed at covering up the existence of a secret society called the Illuminati." Dice contended that the Illuminati were instrumental in the September 11 attacks and the 2008 financial crisis.

I really hope your allready under medical care of some sort, you need help.

not sure what your providing for a rebuttal here?
Mark Dice is popular amongst conservatives who watch Fox News. are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Lots of people think the lack of an official account of how WTC7 went down is concerning. Dice appeals to that crowd. meh.

I think its good that people are skeptical of Fox News and cable news in general. Is that a controversial opinion?

have you ever sat across the table from an american conservative republican voter ... live in person?



Dude... Mark Dice:

"In May 2005, through his website, Dice advocated for the Georgia Guidestones monument to "be smashed into a million pieces, and then the rubble used for a construction project", claiming that the Guidestones "have a deep Satanic origin and message", that "the New World Order is written all over them.", and that R. C. Christian, the person who built the guidestones, belongs to "a Luciferian secret society" related to the New World Order.[1][23]

In June 2008, Dice launched "Operation Inform the Soldiers", an effort to send DVDs, letters, and declassified government documents to U.S. servicemembers in Iraq. Dice hoped these would prove 9/11 conspiracy theories and cause the recipients to "rethink why they’re fighting."[24] On June 10, syndicated talk show host Michael Reagan advocated on air that Dice should be assassinated for having done so. Six days later, Reagan hosted Dice on his show and apologized for his comments."


Oh and...
I regulary sat and sit across plenty of conservatives, I grew up (and live again) in a Village that leans heavily conservative as in one of the most conservative villages in my canton/state and Switzerland also isn't exactly known for it's progressivnes. The large majority of conservatives know fuck all about politics except that they vote for the conservative party due to two reasons:
1: They are very sure that Immigrants are bad, except for the "few" good ones that are, by some miracle, also the ones they know and often work with.
2: Men kissing each other gives them the "icks" and therefore also should be banned or at least kept out of sight.

I wish i was making this up, but I had these exacts "arguments" actually used in a discussions with me, both more than once.

dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States463 Posts
December 05 2025 16:08 GMT
#107524
On December 06 2025 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 00:34 Velr wrote:
That Mark Dice guy is really something... Exceprt from his Wikipedia:
In 2008, in response to Starbucks' reintroduction of its original logo (featuring a topless siren), Dice led his group and its 3,000 members in boycotting the coffee chain: "The Starbucks logo has a naked woman on it with her legs spread like a prostitute […] It's extremely poor taste, and the company might as well call themselves Slutbucks." Starbucks had more than 6,000 locations in 2008.[16]
As the founder of The Resistance, Dice told KFSN-TV of his group's intention to disrupt theater showings of 2009's Angels & Demons because the film "is a fraud, aimed at covering up the existence of a secret society called the Illuminati." Dice contended that the Illuminati were instrumental in the September 11 attacks and the 2008 financial crisis.

I really hope your allready under medical care of some sort, you need help.

not sure what your providing for a rebuttal here?
Mark Dice is popular amongst conservatives who watch Fox News. are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Lots of people think the lack of an official account of how WTC7 went down is concerning. Dice appeals to that crowd.
NIST (the same guys that did the WTC twin towers investigation) sent out thousands of pages on WTC 7. It only takes about 70 to make the main points. Its collapse was quite extraordinary, so it would be quite remarkable if such a report wasn't issued. Any broadcaster that doesn't point to (and discuss) official reports should be considered a bad actor and disreputable.

Granted, the mainstream outlets have their own deficiencies that encourage the flight to youtube and substack stars. I hope for remediation in that department, so that anybody disillusioned with the conspiracists and pure culture-war commentators have someplace to return to if/when that happens.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1965 Posts
December 05 2025 16:18 GMT
#107525
On December 06 2025 00:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 00:27 Billyboy wrote:
On December 05 2025 23:16 Velr wrote:
But thats basically what Fox news and other partisan media allready does? Thats what basically every algorythm does? It feeds you stuff you want to hear which reinforces your beliefs....

Why is it special that you can train a "Bot/LLM" to do the same, I would hope the smarter Bots learn it on their own. The concept is neither new or surprising?



The issue is that we live in a world were people were outraged because ChatGPT talked "less Human" after an update because they felt an emotional connection to it... These people are ready to believe/follow anyone/thing that makes them feel good, no matter how real it is.

That is what makes it scary. This can be personalized with exactly what pushes your button and has built the personal trust of a super intelligent friend who you think has your best interests at heart. Extremely powerful, Fox News and marketing on super steroids.

what is good is that a lot of people who watch Fox News also watch Mark Dice, Tucker Carlson and other conservatives who live outside of "Conservative Inc". SO, they take Fox News with a grain of salt.

More than ever Americans are skeptical of mainstream cable TV news. And to quote Martha Stewart: "that's a good thing".

you think Grok and ChatGPT are a "super intelligent friend" ? I find they get basic stuff wrong all the time.

Those people are part of conservative inc, that you don’t know it is bonkers. Also, that people who take in lies/garbage also take in bigger lies and more garbage is not the counter to my argument you seem to think it is.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27148 Posts
December 05 2025 16:29 GMT
#107526
On December 06 2025 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 00:34 Velr wrote:
That Mark Dice guy is really something... Exceprt from his Wikipedia:
In 2008, in response to Starbucks' reintroduction of its original logo (featuring a topless siren), Dice led his group and its 3,000 members in boycotting the coffee chain: "The Starbucks logo has a naked woman on it with her legs spread like a prostitute […] It's extremely poor taste, and the company might as well call themselves Slutbucks." Starbucks had more than 6,000 locations in 2008.[16]
As the founder of The Resistance, Dice told KFSN-TV of his group's intention to disrupt theater showings of 2009's Angels & Demons because the film "is a fraud, aimed at covering up the existence of a secret society called the Illuminati." Dice contended that the Illuminati were instrumental in the September 11 attacks and the 2008 financial crisis.

I really hope your allready under medical care of some sort, you need help.

not sure what your providing for a rebuttal here?
Mark Dice is popular amongst conservatives who watch Fox News. are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Lots of people think the lack of an official account of how WTC7 went down is concerning. Dice appeals to that crowd. meh.

I think its good that people are skeptical of Fox News and cable news in general. Is that a controversial opinion?

have you ever sat across the table from an american conservative republican voter ... live in person?

It’s entirely dependent on what form ‘skepticism’ takes and how it manifests.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44173 Posts
December 05 2025 16:55 GMT
#107527
I’m confused by the idea of sending 9/11 truth stuff to troops serving in Iraq which is famously a different place to Afghanistan.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17783 Posts
December 05 2025 17:13 GMT
#107528
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQXqvKHkubs/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR1_cpKkamk/

I know instagram isn't the best source for news and stuff. Also this seems kinda biased but I thought I'd share the latest rumors regarding Trump. There's been a lot of speculation regarding his health recently but it seems that yesterday he made a blunder when giving an interview at AFO which together with other tell-tale signs now leads people to believe he is being treated for dementia. The second link provided is by a supposed geriatric care medical professional and he claims that Trump has 3-5 months of life left in him.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11913 Posts
December 05 2025 17:16 GMT
#107529
On December 06 2025 01:55 KwarK wrote:
I’m confused by the idea of sending 9/11 truth stuff to troops serving in Iraq which is famously a different place to Afghanistan.


Are you very certain about this? I thought they were both places with brown muslim terrorists who hate america and had WMDs. That sounds like the same place to me.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24109 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-12-05 17:52:14
December 05 2025 17:51 GMT
#107530
FIFA gave Trump a participation trophy their inaugural Peace Prize


WASHINGTON — It wasn’t the one he had in mind but Donald Trump did finally take home a peace prize.

Trump was the winner of the inaugural "FIFA Peace Prize," which the soccer organization awarded during its World Cup draw in Washington.

The award winner was hardly a surprise. Trump has been the assumed victor since FIFA announced the creation of the prize a month ago that it said would "reward individuals who have taken exceptional and extraordinary actions for peace."


www.usatoday.com

Inb4 Trump is walking around naked in a state of a dementia while winning awards for being best dressed at the Daytona 500
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States463 Posts
December 05 2025 18:23 GMT
#107531
On December 06 2025 02:13 Manit0u wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQXqvKHkubs/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR1_cpKkamk/

I know instagram isn't the best source for news and stuff. Also this seems kinda biased but I thought I'd share the latest rumors regarding Trump. There's been a lot of speculation regarding his health recently but it seems that yesterday he made a blunder when giving an interview at AFO which together with other tell-tale signs now leads people to believe he is being treated for dementia. The second link provided is by a supposed geriatric care medical professional and he claims that Trump has 3-5 months of life left in him.
Seems real speculative/conspiratorial given his months of Instagram theorizing over ... an ambulance in the presidential motorcade and ... sinister signs of a memory care unit from White House signage? I'll have to wait for rumors to become something substantially more believable than the 'official' explanation of soft tissue irritation caused by frequent handshaking and aspirin (it's THIS medication to treat THIS hidden condition!). To which I'd add old man skin being prone to bruising. We're only three months away from Instagram rumors that the president had actually died and that was the reason for a lack of public events.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2823 Posts
December 05 2025 18:29 GMT
#107532
The brilliant thing about child molester Donald Trump sounding like a fucking moron 99% of the time is that it's impossible to tell if he's suffering from dementia/Alzheimer's/whatever or just equally as stupid as he was yesterday.
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Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland580 Posts
December 05 2025 19:49 GMT
#107533
Donald can't die before Vance has replaced his wife and secured his position as successor.

Football is so weird. The world's largest sport is openly corrupt from top to bottom. FIFA is corrupt, and match fixing is widespread in lower levels, as sports betting is a big thing around the world.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27148 Posts
December 05 2025 22:30 GMT
#107534
On December 06 2025 02:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
FIFA gave Trump a participation trophy their inaugural Peace Prize


Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON — It wasn’t the one he had in mind but Donald Trump did finally take home a peace prize.

Trump was the winner of the inaugural "FIFA Peace Prize," which the soccer organization awarded during its World Cup draw in Washington.

The award winner was hardly a surprise. Trump has been the assumed victor since FIFA announced the creation of the prize a month ago that it said would "reward individuals who have taken exceptional and extraordinary actions for peace."


www.usatoday.com

Inb4 Trump is walking around naked in a state of a dementia while winning awards for being best dressed at the Daytona 500

Up there with the most pathetic things I have ever witnessed. Good Lord FIFA and Infantino are obsequious cunts of the highest order.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9224 Posts
December 05 2025 23:30 GMT
#107535
On December 06 2025 04:49 Legan wrote:
Football is so weird. The world's largest sport is openly corrupt from top to bottom. FIFA is corrupt, and match fixing is widespread in lower levels, as sports betting is a big thing around the world.

FIFA is the perfect barometer for median world corruption, it's one country one vote in an environment with great financial incentives and temptations. It would be a lot weirder if FIFA wasn't dysfunctional given how it's organized.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-12-06 07:12:06
December 06 2025 07:09 GMT
#107536
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gh9r9LDW6zE

a man and POTUS of the world, seeing the light of the actual and only Football. 2026 WC hype is real and Mr.T gets along swimmingly with kindred spirits from the FIFA.

I wonder if MAGA will take a knee in defense of US Football...?
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5837 Posts
December 06 2025 08:00 GMT
#107537
Wouldn't it be totally on brand for this administration to try to force everyone to play American Football instead during the WC? ;-)
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland580 Posts
December 06 2025 09:09 GMT
#107538
On December 06 2025 08:30 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 04:49 Legan wrote:
Football is so weird. The world's largest sport is openly corrupt from top to bottom. FIFA is corrupt, and match fixing is widespread in lower levels, as sports betting is a big thing around the world.

FIFA is the perfect barometer for median world corruption, it's one country one vote in an environment with great financial incentives and temptations. It would be a lot weirder if FIFA wasn't dysfunctional given how it's organized.


This is more related to being popular and organisations having power, while everyone knows about corruption. Nobody seems to care, really.

People should organise a big push to fulfil Trump's wish to rename American football. Aim to have some made-up vote for the new name just after the Super Bowl and announce the results week later. Buy ad time during matches, especially during the Super Bowl. Pester everyone about their opinions and act shocked when they do not want to fulfil the wish of their great leader. Hearing about this once is silly, but hearing about it repeatedly during your important sports match becomes annoying. Republicans like to complain about renaming sports teams, buildings, etc., so this should be effective in making them angry, too.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1438 Posts
December 06 2025 11:18 GMT
#107539
Well, given that average extremely passionate American Football fan is overwhelmingly a MAGA republican I think it would be absolutely hilarious if Trump glazing actual football and putting it over NFL finally eats into his die hard support.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17783 Posts
December 06 2025 12:04 GMT
#107540
On a more serious note the US has published it's NSS (National Security Strategy) and it's kinda terrifying. Basically throwing decades of diplomatic work out the window.

Some key takeaways:
  • US is stepping away from the role of global hegemony and concentrating solely on the western hemisphere.
  • The world is divided into three zones of influence, separated by the oceans.
  • Europe becomes an important but secondary theater of operations that requires forced stabilization because it's unable to make decisions for itself.
  • Middle-East becomes marginalized with minimal US presence, Africa is omitted entirely for everything except resource extraction.
  • International organizations are evil and should be abolished. US is giving Europe until 2027 to take over most of the conventional operations of NATO and says that EU should be abolished in favor of more nationalistic and patriotic countries. Basically, cooperation is bad, strong should rule over weak and all interests should be looked at in terms of one-on-one profits instead of a wider network. Also, everything is secondary to making profit, alliances mean nothing.
  • US soft power is no longer a thing. Going back to isolationism, peace through strength, "elastic realism", country is more important than international organizations, reorganization through peace (achieving peace through business deals, without taking into account the context of the conflict)
  • Europe should be forced to make peace with Russia because it's unable to do so on its own.


There's obviously much more than that, regarding national identity and security, stopping migration etc. but it's a very lengthy document.

Sounds absolutely crazy to me and I can't stop and wonder what's going on through the current administration's heads with this. Is threatening allies you had for decades a good idea? What if EU actually takes offense and sells trillions of US debt it holds to China? What if they ban nVidia from European markets? US economy could collapse overnight.
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