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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17088 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-12-05 15:52:38
2 hours ago
#107521
double post.
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RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1074 Posts
2 hours ago
#107522
I think a lot of people want to use AI like a calculator. Input the correct question, get the correct answer. The problem is that they're not thinking of it as a fallible intelligence, but instead as an answer machine. They can be gullible and believe a human, but will always have doubts unless they become cult-like followers. However, even if they are told the AI is fallible, they'll still look at it as a calculator that gives correct answers and believe it even when it is spreading garbage.

Perhaps having Grok be so blatantly misinformative will actually be a blessing as it will get people to question the answer machines.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10818 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-12-05 16:06:45
2 hours ago
#107523
On December 06 2025 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 00:34 Velr wrote:
That Mark Dice guy is really something... Exceprt from his Wikipedia:
In 2008, in response to Starbucks' reintroduction of its original logo (featuring a topless siren), Dice led his group and its 3,000 members in boycotting the coffee chain: "The Starbucks logo has a naked woman on it with her legs spread like a prostitute […] It's extremely poor taste, and the company might as well call themselves Slutbucks." Starbucks had more than 6,000 locations in 2008.[16]
As the founder of The Resistance, Dice told KFSN-TV of his group's intention to disrupt theater showings of 2009's Angels & Demons because the film "is a fraud, aimed at covering up the existence of a secret society called the Illuminati." Dice contended that the Illuminati were instrumental in the September 11 attacks and the 2008 financial crisis.

I really hope your allready under medical care of some sort, you need help.

not sure what your providing for a rebuttal here?
Mark Dice is popular amongst conservatives who watch Fox News. are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Lots of people think the lack of an official account of how WTC7 went down is concerning. Dice appeals to that crowd. meh.

I think its good that people are skeptical of Fox News and cable news in general. Is that a controversial opinion?

have you ever sat across the table from an american conservative republican voter ... live in person?



Dude... Mark Dice:

"In May 2005, through his website, Dice advocated for the Georgia Guidestones monument to "be smashed into a million pieces, and then the rubble used for a construction project", claiming that the Guidestones "have a deep Satanic origin and message", that "the New World Order is written all over them.", and that R. C. Christian, the person who built the guidestones, belongs to "a Luciferian secret society" related to the New World Order.[1][23]

In June 2008, Dice launched "Operation Inform the Soldiers", an effort to send DVDs, letters, and declassified government documents to U.S. servicemembers in Iraq. Dice hoped these would prove 9/11 conspiracy theories and cause the recipients to "rethink why they’re fighting."[24] On June 10, syndicated talk show host Michael Reagan advocated on air that Dice should be assassinated for having done so. Six days later, Reagan hosted Dice on his show and apologized for his comments."


Oh and...
I regulary sat and sit across plenty of conservatives, I grew up (and live again) in a Village that leans heavily conservative as in one of the most conservative villages in my canton/state and Switzerland also isn't exactly known for it's progressivnes. The large majority of conservatives know fuck all about politics except that they vote for the conservative party due to two reasons:
1: They are very sure that Immigrants are bad, except for the "few" good ones that are, by some miracle, also the ones they know and often work with.
2: Men kissing each other gives them the "icks" and therefore also should be banned or at least kept out of sight.

I wish i was making this up, but I had these exacts "arguments" actually used in a discussions with me, both more than once.

dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States41 Posts
2 hours ago
#107524
On December 06 2025 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 00:34 Velr wrote:
That Mark Dice guy is really something... Exceprt from his Wikipedia:
In 2008, in response to Starbucks' reintroduction of its original logo (featuring a topless siren), Dice led his group and its 3,000 members in boycotting the coffee chain: "The Starbucks logo has a naked woman on it with her legs spread like a prostitute […] It's extremely poor taste, and the company might as well call themselves Slutbucks." Starbucks had more than 6,000 locations in 2008.[16]
As the founder of The Resistance, Dice told KFSN-TV of his group's intention to disrupt theater showings of 2009's Angels & Demons because the film "is a fraud, aimed at covering up the existence of a secret society called the Illuminati." Dice contended that the Illuminati were instrumental in the September 11 attacks and the 2008 financial crisis.

I really hope your allready under medical care of some sort, you need help.

not sure what your providing for a rebuttal here?
Mark Dice is popular amongst conservatives who watch Fox News. are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Lots of people think the lack of an official account of how WTC7 went down is concerning. Dice appeals to that crowd.
NIST (the same guys that did the WTC twin towers investigation) sent out thousands of pages on WTC 7. It only takes about 70 to make the main points. Its collapse was quite extraordinary, so it would be quite remarkable if such a report wasn't issued. Any broadcaster that doesn't point to (and discuss) official reports should be considered a bad actor and disreputable.

Granted, the mainstream outlets have their own deficiencies that encourage the flight to youtube and substack stars. I hope for remediation in that department, so that anybody disillusioned with the conspiracists and pure culture-war commentators have someplace to return to if/when that happens.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1308 Posts
2 hours ago
#107525
On December 06 2025 00:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 00:27 Billyboy wrote:
On December 05 2025 23:16 Velr wrote:
But thats basically what Fox news and other partisan media allready does? Thats what basically every algorythm does? It feeds you stuff you want to hear which reinforces your beliefs....

Why is it special that you can train a "Bot/LLM" to do the same, I would hope the smarter Bots learn it on their own. The concept is neither new or surprising?



The issue is that we live in a world were people were outraged because ChatGPT talked "less Human" after an update because they felt an emotional connection to it... These people are ready to believe/follow anyone/thing that makes them feel good, no matter how real it is.

That is what makes it scary. This can be personalized with exactly what pushes your button and has built the personal trust of a super intelligent friend who you think has your best interests at heart. Extremely powerful, Fox News and marketing on super steroids.

what is good is that a lot of people who watch Fox News also watch Mark Dice, Tucker Carlson and other conservatives who live outside of "Conservative Inc". SO, they take Fox News with a grain of salt.

More than ever Americans are skeptical of mainstream cable TV news. And to quote Martha Stewart: "that's a good thing".

you think Grok and ChatGPT are a "super intelligent friend" ? I find they get basic stuff wrong all the time.

Those people are part of conservative inc, that you don’t know it is bonkers. Also, that people who take in lies/garbage also take in bigger lies and more garbage is not the counter to my argument you seem to think it is.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26185 Posts
2 hours ago
#107526
On December 06 2025 00:48 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2025 00:34 Velr wrote:
That Mark Dice guy is really something... Exceprt from his Wikipedia:
In 2008, in response to Starbucks' reintroduction of its original logo (featuring a topless siren), Dice led his group and its 3,000 members in boycotting the coffee chain: "The Starbucks logo has a naked woman on it with her legs spread like a prostitute […] It's extremely poor taste, and the company might as well call themselves Slutbucks." Starbucks had more than 6,000 locations in 2008.[16]
As the founder of The Resistance, Dice told KFSN-TV of his group's intention to disrupt theater showings of 2009's Angels & Demons because the film "is a fraud, aimed at covering up the existence of a secret society called the Illuminati." Dice contended that the Illuminati were instrumental in the September 11 attacks and the 2008 financial crisis.

I really hope your allready under medical care of some sort, you need help.

not sure what your providing for a rebuttal here?
Mark Dice is popular amongst conservatives who watch Fox News. are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Lots of people think the lack of an official account of how WTC7 went down is concerning. Dice appeals to that crowd. meh.

I think its good that people are skeptical of Fox News and cable news in general. Is that a controversial opinion?

have you ever sat across the table from an american conservative republican voter ... live in person?

It’s entirely dependent on what form ‘skepticism’ takes and how it manifests.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43319 Posts
1 hour ago
#107527
I’m confused by the idea of sending 9/11 truth stuff to troops serving in Iraq which is famously a different place to Afghanistan.
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17498 Posts
1 hour ago
#107528
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQXqvKHkubs/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR1_cpKkamk/

I know instagram isn't the best source for news and stuff. Also this seems kinda biased but I thought I'd share the latest rumors regarding Trump. There's been a lot of speculation regarding his health recently but it seems that yesterday he made a blunder when giving an interview at AFO which together with other tell-tale signs now leads people to believe he is being treated for dementia. The second link provided is by a supposed geriatric care medical professional and he claims that Trump has 3-5 months of life left in him.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11665 Posts
1 hour ago
#107529
On December 06 2025 01:55 KwarK wrote:
I’m confused by the idea of sending 9/11 truth stuff to troops serving in Iraq which is famously a different place to Afghanistan.


Are you very certain about this? I thought they were both places with brown muslim terrorists who hate america and had WMDs. That sounds like the same place to me.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23505 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-12-05 17:52:14
52 minutes ago
#107530
FIFA gave Trump a participation trophy their inaugural Peace Prize


WASHINGTON — It wasn’t the one he had in mind but Donald Trump did finally take home a peace prize.

Trump was the winner of the inaugural "FIFA Peace Prize," which the soccer organization awarded during its World Cup draw in Washington.

The award winner was hardly a surprise. Trump has been the assumed victor since FIFA announced the creation of the prize a month ago that it said would "reward individuals who have taken exceptional and extraordinary actions for peace."


www.usatoday.com

Inb4 Trump is walking around naked in a state of a dementia while winning awards for being best dressed at the Daytona 500
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States41 Posts
20 minutes ago
#107531
On December 06 2025 02:13 Manit0u wrote:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQXqvKHkubs/

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR1_cpKkamk/

I know instagram isn't the best source for news and stuff. Also this seems kinda biased but I thought I'd share the latest rumors regarding Trump. There's been a lot of speculation regarding his health recently but it seems that yesterday he made a blunder when giving an interview at AFO which together with other tell-tale signs now leads people to believe he is being treated for dementia. The second link provided is by a supposed geriatric care medical professional and he claims that Trump has 3-5 months of life left in him.
Seems real speculative/conspiratorial given his months of Instagram theorizing over ... an ambulance in the presidential motorcade and ... sinister signs of a memory care unit from White House signage? I'll have to wait for rumors to become something substantially more believable than the 'official' explanation of soft tissue irritation caused by frequent handshaking and aspirin (it's THIS medication to treat THIS hidden condition!). To which I'd add old man skin being prone to bruising. We're only three months away from Instagram rumors that the president had actually died and that was the reason for a lack of public events.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States1910 Posts
14 minutes ago
#107532
The brilliant thing about child molester Donald Trump sounding like a fucking moron 99% of the time is that it's impossible to tell if he's suffering from dementia/Alzheimer's/whatever or just equally as stupid as he was yesterday.
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