US Politics Mega-thread - Page 5379

On December 07 2025 09:21 ETisME wrote:

Sure, do you think Japan would ever appease to China? Or Taiwan?
These are security first alliance.

It's ironic how Canadians voted a populist candidate to counter the populist US president.
How do you think the Hong Kongers who emigrated to Canada feel about all this? That Canada is a reliable ally?

Instead of negotiation with the actual ally right next to continent, they want to build a tie with CHINA. Not far different than EU wanting that sweet sweet Russia gas. But you do you.

Who knows in a few years time, they will find out what Netherlands is going through now.

On December 07 2025 09:42 KwarK wrote:
Canadians not only didn’t vote for the populist, he lost his seat. They voted for the technocrat.

On December 07 2025 13:42 ETisME wrote:

You are right. I mixed up nationalism and populist.

On December 07 2025 12:50 Billyboy wrote:

What a brutal post. Not only are your facts wrong, like Carny is a populist. But where do I say I like it?

We want to negotiate with the USA, we have been top trading partners for basically forever. It is just that Trump is impossible to deal with. He has no idea what he wants and changes his mind based on who talked to him last. He also might be the dumbest (from an IQ point of view) and is for sure the least informed president of all time.

We of are of course strengthening our ties with Europe, which I do agree with, and I hope continues. But US trade is going to be what it is until the US elects a competent leader who lives in this actual reality.

On December 07 2025 13:44 KwarK wrote:

Canadians not only didn’t vote for the nationalist, he lost his seat. They voted for the technocrat

On December 07 2025 14:33 ETisME wrote:

Again, it's a matter of balancing security vs economic ties.

You would never see Taiwan or Japan being pushed into China. They have been decoupling with China for years, including rare earth. The US is trying to decouple as well.
Because they understand the cost of doing business with China isn't just about numbers.

The rest, Australia, Europe, Canada and even South Korea never could. That's why China is the next big market and logically for them it is the next to go to.

Canada would have never put on 100% tariff on Chinese EV without the US.
Europe fining big tech all the same, even when Xiaohongshu and Tiktok etc data is going to China/CCP.
Europe finally looking to ban Huawei for 6G, when the US asked them to remove Huawei for 5G.

Are these meant to be the more sounding governance?

Europe is now looking to be more self reliant, but also wanting more economic tie with China. I am interested to see how it will work out.
Canada, I wouldnt be surprised if some of the anti China policies will get reversed soon.
UK with the chinese super embassy drama.

On December 07 2025 17:05 Doublemint wrote:
you got it the wrong way. Poilievre lost because of nationalism yes. but Trump's nationalism.

turns out it's not cool to have superb neighborly relations turned to shreds(51st state rhetoric, tariffs and reneging on trade deals where the ink is not even dry... ICE and border control idiocies where CAN is the ultimate crime/fentanyl pusher apparently...) and cheering it on just to Anti-Trudeau the heck out of Canada itself.

pretty boy is gone, so is sleepy joe. move on and work for once in your god damn life... people are so over the blame games.

funnily enough those relations predate even POTUS "Senex" Trump by a long long time... so if he had half a brain and used a small fraction of that, all of this might have been prevented and CAN would look very different politically today.

by going full MAGA and USA#1 Trump put Poilievre in an impossible situation. one he deserved to be in imho as you cannot love the US so much and still call yourself a proud Canadian that wants to be PM. full surrender and making yourself at home in Trump's nether region is not that.

do I even need to mention the brain rot of ideas championed by US conservatives? that to all our detriment spread like wildfire all around the globe due to their TechHoeBro friends.

and devalue what has quite a lot to offer idea wise.

middle of the road conservatism based on decency, virtues and yes, values in a time where anything seems to go as long as it makes money... or wins elections. or worst of all, both in "personal union" of Mr. Trump _while_ in office.

On December 07 2025 23:24 Billyboy wrote:

US is not decoupling with China, they are Decoupling with everyone pushing people toward a more reasonable economic partner in China. Global economic ties have been a huge win for everyone involved so when the biggest economy is led by a moron who does not understand the basics of economics gets involved it is a big win for the next biggest economy. That it is short term thinking for politicians who need votes every couple of years are making short term decisions is not some huge insight.

Trump is a huge win for China, even bigger than he was for Russia and his supporters think the opposite.

You are not seeing something other people are not, you just have some strange extreme confidence in your world view and are willing to make these huge sweeping statements of fact based on your assumptions. It is a strange thing to behold.

On December 08 2025 06:57 Billyboy wrote:
Kind of amazing how you half read posts then answer with your predetermined position that is detached from the conversation over and over.

On December 08 2025 07:32 ETisME wrote:

The global trade to China dominance, is relevant to the topic, no?
Your ranting about Trump and yet US economy is doing decentish, is not relevant to you?
China being reliable trading partner, think I have given more than enough examples, which one is not relevant?
China being the winner of trump, I don't see that from FDI, is FDI not relevant to how much foreign nations are investing in China?

Decoupling with everyone but US somehow having record level FDI is a sign they are not decoupling but aligning interest.

You can say I have my own position that you disagree with, but let's not say it detached from the conversation when it literally address your point. (Except the babbling about economic knowledge of trump etc)

On December 08 2025 09:28 Billyboy wrote:

The biggest couple of issues with your posting is first you keep attributing opinions on me that I have not stated, or insinuated. I have said what and why they are doing it, not made value judgements.

Next Canada is not trying to completely replace the US economy, we would rather trade with the US, it is the "easiest" place to do so logistically and the cheapest. It also used to be pretty reliable other than things that you have to deal with anywhere such as exchange.

Next, you do not seem to understand what unreliable market means. I'll try to break it down to you with an industry that I know fairly well, agriculture. So farmers are making decisions on what to plant, years in advance. There are crop rotations which are very important for yields and long term sustainability of their farms (not ending up with unproductive soil). On top of that, the costs of the inputs are often 7 figures and large 6 figures even for small farms. Different markets want different products and even have different rules on what is allowed to be used as far as chemicals and even biological inputs. So when you have someone who has torn up two trade agreements and makes rules late night by tweet, which sometimes he follows, sometimes he doesn't, sometimes he changes the next day, other times waits a couple weeks, months, it can crush entire businesses. Often these farms hedge (especially the cattle, with a whole host of other problems) by preselling. That market swings by the day so wildly now it is more like gambling than a business. Many of the farms have commodity brokers either internally or externally and the skilled ones have lost the edge because there is no sense to any decision, it is now luck based.

Farmers in the province I live in used to have Trump bumper stickers, MAGA hats and the whole deal. Now they all think he is wildly incompetent and not fit for office. They want to be able to sell to MORE places than just the US so that they can run a business instead of playing the slots. Europe is everyone's first choice, many even have family in some of the countries (especially the Netherlands in my neck of the woods). But they also want to keep having a generational business.

On top of that we were happy to just sell to the US, but that put us in a terrible negotiating position because a moron could take over and crush businesses without other markets. The hope is that with more markets we will have more leverage and if the most insecure man on the planet gets his feelings hurt by a commercial it doesn't destroy livelihoods and also, if the US has to buy elsewhere, either at higher prices or lower quality we hope (though not with much confidence) that the US voters will realize that he is making America worse than its ever been.

On December 08 2025 10:15 ETisME wrote:

Well for one, you gave your own opinion.
You said China is a reliable trading partner, I didn't assume anything here.
I gave you enough examples why that's not the case.

China literally banned a few key Japan seafood regions import in just one day. The seafood export accounts for majority of those area income.
China also did something similar to Taiwan.
That's why I asked if you think Taiwan and Japan would be pushed to be friend with China.

Even Europe is looking to increase tie but with more trade tactics, France just threatened with tariff today FYI.
It was never a "global trade better for everyone". China never opened their market fully, and got funded to where it is today.

Russia would have never been able to fund the war without China help. The nuke option SWIFT cut off isn't enough. It's a complete disaster.

Barring all your rants about Trump, the US trade deficit remains just as high. So it's still importing similar level as 2022. So not only FDI is higher, the trade is doing just fine, economy looking just fine imo.

US is not decoupling with China, they are Decoupling with everyone pushing people toward a more reasonable economic partner in China.

On December 08 2025 11:02 Manit0u wrote:
It's like talking to a bot

On December 08 2025 11:24 Billyboy wrote:

The reason you did not quote me is I did not say that, this is what I said.



If I had said a hamburger is healthier than a fried chicken sandwich would you say that I said a hamburger is a very healthy meal?

This is like pathological with you. No conversation is possible because you are basically talking to yourself and no whatever the person has responded to you said.


Kind of is, it is wacky.