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On December 07 2025 09:21 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2025 09:13 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is 100% the reason countries are looking for stronger relationships with China, it’s not a question but a direct line. Canada went from ruining their relationship with China for arresting some one their best ally asked them too (US). To the US messing up their trade.
The US is unreliable, our economic policy is all around finding new and more reliable markets for our products.
The US can claim they are “fighting China” or whatever, but they are helping them massively. Sure, do you think Japan would ever appease to China? Or Taiwan? These are security first alliance. It's ironic how Canadians voted a populist candidate to counter the populist US president. How do you think the Hong Kongers who emigrated to Canada feel about all this? That Canada is a reliable ally? Instead of negotiation with the actual ally right next to continent, they want to build a tie with CHINA. Not far different than EU wanting that sweet sweet Russia gas. But you do you. Who knows in a few years time, they will find out what Netherlands is going through now.
What a brutal post. Not only are your facts wrong, like Carny is a populist. But where do I say I like it?
We want to negotiate with the USA, we have been top trading partners for basically forever. It is just that Trump is impossible to deal with. He has no idea what he wants and changes his mind based on who talked to him last. He also might be the dumbest (from an IQ point of view) and is for sure the least informed president of all time.
We of are of course strengthening our ties with Europe, which I do agree with, and I hope continues. But US trade is going to be what it is until the US elects a competent leader who lives in this actual reality.
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On December 07 2025 09:42 KwarK wrote:
Canadians not only didn’t vote for the populist, he lost his seat. They voted for the technocrat.
You are right. I mixed up nationalism and populist.
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On December 07 2025 13:42 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2025 09:42 KwarK wrote:
Canadians not only didn’t vote for the populist, he lost his seat. They voted for the technocrat. You are right. I mixed up nationalism and populist.
Canadians not only didn’t vote for the nationalist, he lost his seat. They voted for the technocrat
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On December 07 2025 12:50 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2025 09:21 ETisME wrote:On December 07 2025 09:13 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is 100% the reason countries are looking for stronger relationships with China, it’s not a question but a direct line. Canada went from ruining their relationship with China for arresting some one their best ally asked them too (US). To the US messing up their trade.
The US is unreliable, our economic policy is all around finding new and more reliable markets for our products.
The US can claim they are “fighting China” or whatever, but they are helping them massively. Sure, do you think Japan would ever appease to China? Or Taiwan? These are security first alliance. It's ironic how Canadians voted a populist candidate to counter the populist US president. How do you think the Hong Kongers who emigrated to Canada feel about all this? That Canada is a reliable ally? Instead of negotiation with the actual ally right next to continent, they want to build a tie with CHINA. Not far different than EU wanting that sweet sweet Russia gas. But you do you. Who knows in a few years time, they will find out what Netherlands is going through now. What a brutal post. Not only are your facts wrong, like Carny is a populist. But where do I say I like it? We want to negotiate with the USA, we have been top trading partners for basically forever. It is just that Trump is impossible to deal with. He has no idea what he wants and changes his mind based on who talked to him last. He also might be the dumbest (from an IQ point of view) and is for sure the least informed president of all time. We of are of course strengthening our ties with Europe, which I do agree with, and I hope continues. But US trade is going to be what it is until the US elects a competent leader who lives in this actual reality.
Again, it's a matter of balancing security vs economic ties.
You would never see Taiwan or Japan being pushed into China. They have been decoupling with China for years, including rare earth. The US is trying to decouple as well.
Because they understand the cost of doing business with China isn't just about numbers.
The rest, Australia, Europe, Canada and even South Korea never could. That's why China is the next big market and logically for them it is the next to go to.
Canada would have never put on 100% tariff on Chinese EV without the US.
Europe fining big tech all the same, even when Xiaohongshu and Tiktok etc data is going to China/CCP.
Europe finally looking to ban Huawei for 6G, when the US asked them to remove Huawei for 5G.
Are these meant to be the more sounding governance?
Europe is now looking to be more self reliant, but also wanting more economic tie with China. I am interested to see how it will work out.
Canada, I wouldnt be surprised if some of the anti China policies will get reversed soon.
UK with the chinese super embassy drama.
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On December 07 2025 13:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2025 13:42 ETisME wrote:On December 07 2025 09:42 KwarK wrote:
Canadians not only didn’t vote for the populist, he lost his seat. They voted for the technocrat. You are right. I mixed up nationalism and populist. Canadians not only didn’t vote for the nationalist, he lost his seat. They voted for the technocrat
You think he didn't got in because of anti trump nationalism but because he's a technocrat? Or else he would have been leading from the start.
Let me know if you want some nationalistic quote from the dude. highly motivational, gets my heart pumping.
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you got it the wrong way. Poilievre lost because of nationalism yes. but Trump's nationalism.
turns out it's not cool to have superb neighborly relations turned to shreds(51st state rhetoric, tariffs and reneging on trade deals where the ink is not even dry... ICE and border control idiocies where CAN is the ultimate crime/fentanyl pusher apparently...) and cheering it on just to Anti-Trudeau the heck out of Canada itself.
pretty boy is gone, so is sleepy joe. move on and work for once in your god damn life... people are so over the blame games.
funnily enough those relations predate even POTUS "Senex" Trump by a long long time... so if he had half a brain and used a small fraction of that, all of this might have been prevented and CAN would look very different politically today.
by going full MAGA and USA#1 Trump put Poilievre in an impossible situation. one he deserved to be in imho as you cannot love the US so much and still call yourself a proud Canadian that wants to be PM. full surrender and making yourself at home in Trump's nether region is not that.
do I even need to mention the brain rot of ideas championed by US conservatives? that to all our detriment spread like wildfire all around the globe due to their TechHoeBro friends.
and devalue what has quite a lot to offer idea wise.
middle of the road conservatism based on decency, virtues and yes, values in a time where anything seems to go as long as it makes money... or wins elections. or worst of all, both in "personal union" of Mr. Trump _while_ in office.
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The NSS is basically paying lip service to the allies in south Pacific but you can bet your sweet ass that Trump and co will abandon Taiwan very quickly, they have been shown as completely unreliable ally to anyone outside of Israel, there is no way that Trump's gonna defend Taiwan, the best opportunity China has for taking it is between now and the 2028 elections.
This NSS telegraphs that from a mile away, the official strategy on Taiwan there is "we will build an even bigger military but also the allies there should do more", and even if that wasn't the case, there are so many other moves before it came out that did, form giving them AI chips as long as US gets an extra cut, to Trump refusing to say he'd defend Taiwan, unlike Biden and Democrats who had no problem with saying it.
China has very deep coffers, and Trump would sell Taiwan out in a heartbeat.
Also, I gotta say, ETisME is one of the funniest examples of confidentially incorrect posters ever, bad analysis, keeps on showing his absolute lack of knowledge of geopolitics and economy in every sentence, gets facts wrong all the time and yet he keeps on trucking.
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On December 07 2025 14:33 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2025 12:50 Billyboy wrote:On December 07 2025 09:21 ETisME wrote:On December 07 2025 09:13 Billyboy wrote:
Trump is 100% the reason countries are looking for stronger relationships with China, it’s not a question but a direct line. Canada went from ruining their relationship with China for arresting some one their best ally asked them too (US). To the US messing up their trade.
The US is unreliable, our economic policy is all around finding new and more reliable markets for our products.
The US can claim they are “fighting China” or whatever, but they are helping them massively. Sure, do you think Japan would ever appease to China? Or Taiwan? These are security first alliance. It's ironic how Canadians voted a populist candidate to counter the populist US president. How do you think the Hong Kongers who emigrated to Canada feel about all this? That Canada is a reliable ally? Instead of negotiation with the actual ally right next to continent, they want to build a tie with CHINA. Not far different than EU wanting that sweet sweet Russia gas. But you do you. Who knows in a few years time, they will find out what Netherlands is going through now. What a brutal post. Not only are your facts wrong, like Carny is a populist. But where do I say I like it? We want to negotiate with the USA, we have been top trading partners for basically forever. It is just that Trump is impossible to deal with. He has no idea what he wants and changes his mind based on who talked to him last. He also might be the dumbest (from an IQ point of view) and is for sure the least informed president of all time. We of are of course strengthening our ties with Europe, which I do agree with, and I hope continues. But US trade is going to be what it is until the US elects a competent leader who lives in this actual reality. Again, it's a matter of balancing security vs economic ties. You would never see Taiwan or Japan being pushed into China. They have been decoupling with China for years, including rare earth. The US is trying to decouple as well. Because they understand the cost of doing business with China isn't just about numbers. The rest, Australia, Europe, Canada and even South Korea never could. That's why China is the next big market and logically for them it is the next to go to. Canada would have never put on 100% tariff on Chinese EV without the US. Europe fining big tech all the same, even when Xiaohongshu and Tiktok etc data is going to China/CCP. Europe finally looking to ban Huawei for 6G, when the US asked them to remove Huawei for 5G. Are these meant to be the more sounding governance? Europe is now looking to be more self reliant, but also wanting more economic tie with China. I am interested to see how it will work out. Canada, I wouldnt be surprised if some of the anti China policies will get reversed soon. UK with the chinese super embassy drama.
US is not decoupling with China, they are Decoupling with everyone pushing people toward a more reasonable economic partner in China. Global economic ties have been a huge win for everyone involved so when the biggest economy is led by a moron who does not understand the basics of economics gets involved it is a big win for the next biggest economy. That it is short term thinking for politicians who need votes every couple of years are making short term decisions is not some huge insight.
Trump is a huge win for China, even bigger than he was for Russia and his supporters think the opposite.
You are not seeing something other people are not, you just have some strange extreme confidence in your world view and are willing to make these huge sweeping statements of fact based on your assumptions. It is a strange thing to behold.
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On December 07 2025 17:05 Doublemint wrote:
you got it the wrong way. Poilievre lost because of nationalism yes. but Trump's nationalism.
turns out it's not cool to have superb neighborly relations turned to shreds(51st state rhetoric, tariffs and reneging on trade deals where the ink is not even dry... ICE and border control idiocies where CAN is the ultimate crime/fentanyl pusher apparently...) and cheering it on just to Anti-Trudeau the heck out of Canada itself.
pretty boy is gone, so is sleepy joe. move on and work for once in your god damn life... people are so over the blame games.
funnily enough those relations predate even POTUS "Senex" Trump by a long long time... so if he had half a brain and used a small fraction of that, all of this might have been prevented and CAN would look very different politically today.
by going full MAGA and USA#1 Trump put Poilievre in an impossible situation. one he deserved to be in imho as you cannot love the US so much and still call yourself a proud Canadian that wants to be PM. full surrender and making yourself at home in Trump's nether region is not that.
do I even need to mention the brain rot of ideas championed by US conservatives? that to all our detriment spread like wildfire all around the globe due to their TechHoeBro friends.
and devalue what has quite a lot to offer idea wise.
middle of the road conservatism based on decency, virtues and yes, values in a time where anything seems to go as long as it makes money... or wins elections. or worst of all, both in "personal union" of Mr. Trump _while_ in office.
It is true that Trump certainly hurt Pierre, but PP was winning big when he was up against JT. What Carney did was actually answer questions and articulate a plan. PP just stuck to his couple of talking points and crammed them in regardless of the question so he never answered anything Canadians asked. He also lost his own riding that was conservative forever because he wouldn't condemn the Trucker tantrum which killed small business in his riding and was so incredibly stupid since it happened when restrictions were already being lifted.
If PP had a spine and a personality he would have won big. Doug Ford, the Premier of our biggest province and also a conservative used Trump to gain popularity.
At the end of the day Carney was just much better than PP.
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yeah, in retrospect it has been a crazy comeback. with JT/straight after JT's exit it was basically the Conservatives election to lose.
and losing they did. no shade for Carney who seems decent. at least for a banker turned politician.
Ford v. Trump is a match made in heaven.
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I'm not a Carney supporter by any stretch, but he seems far more competent than JT and loads better than Pierre.
Ford v Trump would be great for TV and late night hosts, probably bad for Canada (and the US to a lesser degree). The US is already hurting a little from the down turn in tourism and a move away economically. But we are small fries in comparison so they can always hurt us more.
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