US Politics Mega-thread - Page 526

On July 23 2018 23:59 xDaunt wrote:

I'm not implying anything. This is why I'm asking what GH thinks as opposed to saying what GH thinks.

This change in power dynamics is GH's wet dream.

On July 24 2018 00:09 Plansix wrote:


Um...



Are you trolling or something? You are implying that the situation in SA is something GH is looking for in the US.

On July 23 2018 23:55 xDaunt wrote:

Yes, South Africa presents a different case study in that race relations were noticeably worse than in the US, but it presents an interesting situation in which the black oppressed have completely usurped the white oppressors. This change in power dynamics is GH's wet dream. So I want to know what he thinks of what the ANC is doing.

On July 24 2018 00:06 xDaunt wrote:

One chart that caught my eye on this point was the one regarding the increased racial wealth disparity since the Great Recession. It's pretty easy to see what happened there. Blacks were merely another casualty of loose monetary policy from the Fed. Asset owners did well. Everyone else got hosed. So are we going to say that the Fed is racist?

On July 24 2018 00:00 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think it seems like many of you guys missed where GH specified that it was black improvement relative to white people. I never saw him contest that there's been improvement for african americans since the 60s in absolute terms. But based on a cursory glance it seems like the data backs him up that black people have not really been 'catching up' by most measurable metrics ...he's consistently been asking about improvement relative to white people and several of the answers given to him didn't focus on that.

On July 24 2018 00:15 xDaunt wrote:

There is a different between who holds the power and what the person holding the power does with that power. Or do you believe that race is inseparable from politics?

On July 24 2018 00:19 Plansix wrote:

I believe that simplifying the problems in SA to a question of race is currently in power borderlines on aggressively ignorant.

On July 24 2018 00:16 GreenHorizons wrote:


No the current power dynamic in South Africa is not my wet dream for a variety of reasons, just so you know. The ANC has many of it's own problems, many linked to the type of corruption that colonialism maintained as common practice.

On July 24 2018 00:27 xDaunt wrote:

Read my posts again. You're badly missing the point. GH is a frequent dabbler in a oppressor/oppressed politics, particularly when it comes to race. In South Africa, we have a situation where the oppressed (the blacks) have taken control. I want to know what he thinks about what the blacks have done with their power now that they're in charge.

On July 24 2018 00:29 xDaunt wrote:

Really? You wouldn't like it if someone waved a magic wand and suddenly blacks were control of the US?

On July 24 2018 00:27 xDaunt wrote:

Read my posts again. You're badly missing the point. GH is a frequent dabbler in a oppressor/oppressed politics, particularly when it comes to race. In South Africa, we have a situation where the oppressed (the blacks) have taken control. I want to know what he thinks about what the blacks have done with their power now that they're in charge.

On July 24 2018 00:31 GreenHorizons wrote:


You act like South Africa is on it's own planet. The residual consequences of white supremacy don't evaporate overnight or even in a couple generations. This is why I thought discussing this with you would be a terrible idea. Considering most people here have struggled so much understanding my rather simple and straightforward point on racial equality you should probably not engage with a stand-in presuming they are accurately/completely representing my views.



For the umpteenth time to you specifically (and like third time in as many pages), having black skin doesn't mean someone can't perpetuate white supremacy.

So no, if you put Herman Cain, Justice Thomas, and Ben Carson in charge of the US I wouldn't be celebrating, but jfc that was obvious enough for you to know without asking right?

On July 24 2018 00:36 xDaunt wrote:

Oh please. Herman Cain, Justice Thomas, and Ben Carson are all aberrations, as you well know. Let's not pretend that they are representative of Black America. Y'all disowned them long ago. Let's move away from the academic and focus on the concrete. How exactly is the ANC perpetuating white supremacy in South Africa?

On July 24 2018 00:06 xDaunt wrote:

One chart that caught my eye on this point was the one regarding the increased racial wealth disparity since the Great Recession. It's pretty easy to see what happened there. Blacks were merely another casualty of loose monetary policy from the Fed. Asset owners did well. Everyone else got hosed. So are we going to say that the Fed is racist?

On July 24 2018 00:47 Broetchenholer wrote:


If you have a strong racial disparity in owning assets and your economy rewards those that own those assets, maybe try to fight poverty in order to help your racial wealth disparity? If your society would not be institutionally racist, it would fight those disparities to allow people to catch up. Which is why in other countries there are some measurements to allow socially underprivileged groups to catch up, in the US these are...rare. So, yeah, your society does not care enough not to be racist. And so are most, Germany is certainly not fundamentally different.

On July 24 2018 01:27 Broetchenholer wrote:
Is there a difference in both sentences? They mean the same to me, but english is not my primary language. So, to clarify, you are not helping the group tha is disadvantaged, you you are institutionally racist, especially if the group did gain the disadvantage by their own choice.

On July 24 2018 01:44 Velr wrote:
I would argue that this is about class, not race. Now for historical reasons this class in the US is in big parts black.
Thats not the reason, even very/more homogenous countries face similar issues.
The issue is mainly that people only see and feel the people around them. I was middleclass as a child and later upper middle class during my teens and all my friends were probably too. Money or finding a decent job also never was and is a real issue for anyone i know from back then (except the drug addicts but thats another story).

People just don't REALLY see whats going on outside of their immediate enviroment.
I have befriended some "poor" people now and my perspective changed a bit (altough half of them are in fact just lazy or unwilling to fit in, sometimes i get jealous in weird ways about that "freedom").