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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1390 Posts
Senate, just on to itself is a ridiculous idea, same amounts of Senators for California and West Virginia is bonkers, then we go to "Senate maps" which, as long as I have been paying attention to American politics seemed to favor Republicans. Then, the electoral college, another insane idea which gives outsized influence to smaller states which overwhelmingly lean Republican. The thing that bothered me the most was "the norms". Democrats sticking to them like, honestly, fucking morons and Republicans taking their lunch every time. Bush didn't have a problem with Supreme Court handing him elections, but as a good boy who didn't want to rock the boat too much Gore shut the fuck up and congratulated him. McConnel didn't have any issues blocking the supreme court nominee for 6+ months, and he, again, didn't have a problem shoving Trump's appointments trough. Even in Trump's second term, when all masks are off and it's obvious that he's not going to play by the rules, you have blowhard morons like Chuck Shumer explaining how blocking his bills would be a bad precedant and they'd be blamed. Democrats will be blamed anyway, for fuck sake, how far up your own ass can you be. And now it's likely too late. It's too late to win tit for tat because the game is too tilted in the favor of Republicans. You can't out-gerrymander them because their states don't have the controls on them that Democratic states do. So America is fucked. If I had a nickel every time one flipped seat was celebrated as "Democrats are back and there is hope" I'd have quite a few nickels. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23956 Posts
On August 27 2025 21:20 Jankisa wrote: + Show Spoiler + It has been insane to me for a very long time how utterly rigged the American political system seems in the favor of Republicans. Senate, just on to itself is a ridiculous idea, same amounts of Senators for California and West Virginia is bonkers, then we go to "Senate maps" which, as long as I have been paying attention to American politics seemed to favor Republicans. Then, the electoral college, another insane idea which gives outsized influence to smaller states which overwhelmingly lean Republican. The thing that bothered me the most was "the norms". Democrats sticking to them like, honestly, fucking morons and Republicans taking their lunch every time. Bush didn't have a problem with Supreme Court handing him elections, but as a good boy who didn't want to rock the boat too much Gore shut the fuck up and congratulated him. McConnel didn't have any issues blocking the supreme court nominee for 6+ months, and he, again, didn't have a problem shoving Trump's appointments trough. Even in Trump's second term, when all masks are off and it's obvious that he's not going to play by the rules, you have blowhard morons like Chuck Shumer explaining how blocking his bills would be a bad precedant and they'd be blamed. Democrats will be blamed anyway, for fuck sake, how far up your own ass can you be. And now it's likely too late. It's too late to win tit for tat because the game is too tilted in the favor of Republicans. You can't out-gerrymander them because their states don't have the controls on them that Democratic states do. + Show Spoiler + If I had a nickel every time one flipped seat was celebrated as "Democrats are back and there is hope" I'd have quite a few nickels I agree with basically everything you said here. Your conclusion points to the necessity of an AmeriMaidan. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1151 Posts
Republicans are master's of red taping. Hand recounting the ballots in Gore vs Bush in disputed districts according to florida legistlation would have been "unequal" treatment of voters, making better rules.. and recount everything, to make them equal while the elction is ongoing.... would be illegal.. so you just have to accept the faulty vote from faulty machines and surpressed votes. Even the counting of ballots after the result has been verified was stopped, since if it had shown, that bush actually lost florida.. it would have thrown shade on his presidency. So any normal thinking person is like WTF. Like Judge Cannon delaying the trial of Trump for his attempted Clown-Coup. Republicans pretend to hate bureaucracy, that they are the voice of reason in an overregulated world - but it's just another lie. Republicans love rules.. and to bend them in their favor, and most of all.. to twist their OBVIOUS intent to a degree that is just maddening. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1390 Posts
On August 27 2025 21:29 GreenHorizons wrote: I agree with basically everything you said here. Your conclusion points to the necessity of an AmeriMaidan. Even tho I wish you'd stop calling it that I'm kind of also glad you are because it implies that, despite what you wrote previously the EuroMaidan movement was a legitimate popular uprising and not a Western backed coup. At this point, yeah, I think that's the only way to get Trump, Project 2025 and Broligarchs out of power, I don't think they will ever cede power willingly and unfortunately I think the only thing that could trigger such a movement is some insanely violent and openly authoritarian move by them, which they have been preparing for by slow rolling the military to the streets. Hopefully, when it comes to that, the military personnel put their fellow citizens above their authoritarian leader. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2584 Posts
On August 27 2025 21:20 Jankisa wrote: If I had a nickel every time one flipped seat was celebrated as "Democrats are back and there is hope" I'd have quite a few nickels. It doesn't mean "Democrats are back" unilaterally but it challenges a lot of assumptions that people tend to have about U.S. elections. The old wisdom was that GOP outperforms off-cycle elections because their voter base are retirees that have plenty of free time to follow political news and vote. Since at least one part of that appears not to be true anymore (because why? demographic changes? attitude changes?), it's good to find out why and how to utilize this new information before jumping to any conclusions. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23956 Posts
On August 27 2025 22:36 Jankisa wrote: Even tho I wish you'd stop calling it that + Show Spoiler + I'm kind of also glad you are because it implies that, despite what you wrote previously the EuroMaidan movement was a legitimate popular uprising and not a Western backed coup. At this point, yeah, I think that's the only way to get Trump, Project 2025 and Broligarchs out of power, I don't think they will ever cede power willingly and unfortunately I think the only thing that could trigger such a movement is some insanely violent and openly authoritarian move by them, which they have been preparing for by slow rolling the military to the streets. Hopefully, when it comes to that, the military personnel put their fellow citizens above their authoritarian leader. Why? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22369 Posts
On August 27 2025 22:37 LightSpectra wrote: I think the bigger average Americans are feeling impacted the more likely they are to care about elections.It doesn't mean "Democrats are back" unilaterally but it challenges a lot of assumptions that people tend to have about U.S. elections. The old wisdom was that GOP outperforms off-cycle elections because their voter base are retirees that have plenty of free time to follow political news and vote. Since at least one part of that appears not to be true anymore (because why? demographic changes? attitude changes?), it's good to find out why and how to utilize this new information before jumping to any conclusions. And inflation is one of the easiest things to feel. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1451 Posts
Because of your previous scepticism around Euromaidan. It's pretty obvious if you read the parts of their post that you spoiler tagged... | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23956 Posts
On August 27 2025 22:53 MJG wrote: It's not actually. Because of your previous scepticism around Euromaidan. It's pretty obvious if you read the parts of their post that you spoiler tagged... For clarity sake, "Euromaidan" is the protesting that was equipped for and engaging in self-defense that prompted the government to do the "insanely violent and openly authoritarian moves" Jankisa believes are necessary to motivate people in the US to save ourselves with our own "Revolution of Dignity". | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1151 Posts
And then they didn't do it. And then they got thrown out. Russia directly lost the political grasp on Kiyv, and Yanukovich, Putin's puppet had to literally flee to moscow. This triggered Putin to attack Ukraine in 2014. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2584 Posts
You know that saying "you could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich"? Jeanine Pirro literally couldn't in this case. | ||
KwarK
United States43989 Posts
On August 27 2025 23:49 LightSpectra wrote: Prosecutors Fail to Secure Indictment Against Man Who Threw Sandwich at Federal Agent You know that saying "you could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich"? Jeanine Pirro literally couldn't in this case. Seems like a clear case of assault with a deli weapon. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7170 Posts
America doing it's best to not be a reliable ally. I hate this world lmao | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45925 Posts
On August 28 2025 01:58 KwarK wrote: Seems like a clear case of assault with a deli weapon. Well played. | ||
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Vivax
22319 Posts
A pretty hard question, try not to laugh. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2879 Posts
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
On August 27 2025 21:42 KT_Elwood wrote: Not rocking the boat was excatly the court decision. Republicans are master's of red taping. Hand recounting the ballots in Gore vs Bush in disputed districts according to florida legistlation would have been "unequal" treatment of voters, making better rules.. and recount everything, to make them equal while the elction is ongoing.... would be illegal.. so you just have to accept the faulty vote from faulty machines and surpressed votes. Even the counting of ballots after the result has been verified was stopped, since if it had shown, that bush actually lost florida.. it would have thrown shade on his presidency. So any normal thinking person is like WTF. Like Judge Cannon delaying the trial of Trump for his attempted Clown-Coup. Republicans pretend to hate bureaucracy, that they are the voice of reason in an overregulated world - but it's just another lie. Republicans love rules.. and to bend them in their favor, and most of all.. to twist their OBVIOUS intent to a degree that is just maddening. This reminds me of why it's hard to find Republican allies when it comes to local housing policy. I'd think Republicans would be anti-NIMBY, since NIMBY is almost everything Republicans hate, you have government interfering with property rights, they leverage the govt to prevent competition, but somehow they never really connect that dot. It's funny because I think 10 or 15 years ago, I know a lot of leftists/liberals would say conservatism is all about hierarchy. I thought that was abstract and conservatives just want "freedom" and less taxes. But over time I cant unsee them defend complete nonsense systems because they want to maintain hierarchy. Their principles completely go out the window if it compromises their position or the position of people they think have a divine mandate to be where they are in life. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5159 Posts
Government has nothing to do with it. They just don't want their environment to be "polluted". Conservatism is in principal a very egocentric view of the world and how it should serve the individual as in "me" and everything that it concerns. This is a flexible notion however and dependent on how the situations serve that egoism. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1151 Posts
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