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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 11 2025 17:40 oBlade wrote: The reason is the latter doesn't sell NYT subs. Snappy responses don't make argumentation, my friend. Trump has been the most fascist president in I don't even know how long. There are almost no Republicans before him who've gone this far. You not recognizing that is, to me, further proof that you are in support of fascism. | ||
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SnipStash
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22459 Posts
On August 11 2025 11:13 Razyda wrote: Improving America's food standards is good. And if that was all RFK was doing he would get a thumbs up.Honestly blasting RFK seems silly to me. Differences in food standards between Europe and US are a thing, and seems to me, for a reason, and for a while too. Now you got someone who is actually willing to do something about it, and you go mental because you dont like his administration. I mean you have the guy, who is actually willing to do something, but reaction is " nazi, fascist, maga, crazy brain worm dude". Obviously suit approving arsenic in food, would be better as, long as he was democrat. But you can't ignore the damage he is doing to vaccine research and vaccination programs. | ||
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oBlade
United States6304 Posts
On August 11 2025 17:48 Magic Powers wrote: Snappy responses don't make argumentation, my friend. Trump has been the most fascist president in I don't even know how long. There are almost no Republicans before him who've gone this far. You not recognizing that is, to me, further proof that you are in support of fascism. Sounds circular. Anytime you're operating in a framework where you really believe someone disagreeing with you proves you right, something has gone wrong. Not every issue can distinguish the entire spectrum of politics because an issue is one dimension and they don't all have breadth. There's either a ban on abortion, no ban on abortion, or a ban on abortion after some point, which is where most of the country is and part of why the Big Beautiful Bill didn't contain a Big Beautiful Abortion Ban. What's the reason you brought up SCOTUS to call them fascist just now? (use the active voice not the ambiguous passive - "are considered fascist" - you mean considered so by yourself) Do you think SCOTUS banned abortion? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 11 2025 18:01 oBlade wrote: Sounds circular. Anytime you're operating in a framework where you really believe someone disagreeing with you proves you right, something has gone wrong. Not every issue can distinguish the entire spectrum of politics because an issue is one dimension and they don't all have breadth. There's either a ban on abortion, no ban on abortion, or a ban on abortion after some point, which is where most of the country is and part of why the Big Beautiful Bill didn't contain a Big Beautiful Abortion Ban. What's the reason you brought up SCOTUS to call them fascist just now? (use the active voice not the ambiguous passive - "are considered fascist" - you mean considered so by yourself) Do you think SCOTUS banned abortion? There are dozens of ways abortion can be banned. You can ban at three months, four, five, six, you can ban all abortions, you can ban all abortions other than incest and rape, you can ban all abortions other than medically necessary cases, etc. etc. etc. There are so many different levels to this, some more extreme than others. If you ban more abortions, then you're more right-wing. If you ban fewer abortions, then you're more left-wing. A three month abortion ban is far right. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 11 2025 18:23 BlackJack wrote: There's plenty of European countries that restrict abortion around 12 weeks. Calling this far right is just not correct, imo. But I also know the futility of arguing with how you choose to define things so I'll leave it there. "It is also banned in other countries, therefore it's not right-wing" is a non-sequitur. A ban at 12 weeks is strictly far right. You can't ban abortion at 12 weeks and consider yourself a moderate or even right-leaning person. You're definitely not left-wing. It's literally impossible. Do you want to redefine the political compass? PS: edited my comment to say "weeks" instead of "months". My bad, didn't notice the error. | ||
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oBlade
United States6304 Posts
Ban after 1st trimester - far right Ban after 2nd trimester - right No ban (allow including 3rd trimester) - center (Where is "left?") total ban - presumably "extreme" right meaning worse than "far" What's supposed to be left? 3 months after birth? This doesn't fit. On August 11 2025 18:27 Magic Powers wrote: "It is also banned in other countries, therefore it's not right-wing" is a non-sequitur. A ban at 12 months is strictly far right. You can't ban abortion at 12 months and consider yourself a moderate or even right-leaning person. You're definitely not left-wing. It's literally impossible. Do you want to redefine the political compass? This was your rationale for RFK being right-wing. How is his abstract (or even personal?) belief in this right-wing but Europe's application of it exempted from being right wing? | ||
KwarK
United States44190 Posts
On August 11 2025 11:13 Razyda wrote: Honestly blasting RFK seems silly to me. Differences in food standards between Europe and US are a thing, and seems to me, for a reason, and for a while too. Now you got someone who is actually willing to do something about it, and you go mental because you dont like his administration. I mean you have the guy, who is actually willing to do something, but reaction is " nazi, fascist, maga, crazy brain worm dude". Obviously suit approving arsenic in food, would be better as, long as he was democrat. He literally is a crazy brain worm guy. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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KwarK
United States44190 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 11 2025 18:30 oBlade wrote: Yeah I have no idea how to parse that reckoning either. Ban after 1st trimester - far right Ban after 2nd trimester - right No ban (allow including 3rd trimester) - center (Where is "left?") total ban - presumably "extreme" right meaning worse than "far" What's supposed to be left? 3 months after birth? This doesn't fit. This was your rationale for RFK being right-wing. How is his abstract (or even personal?) belief in this right-wing but Europe's application of it exempted from being right wing? These are the options: No ban -> Literally Marx 7-8 months -> Extreme left 6-7 months -> Far left 5-6 months -> Left-wing 5 months -> Moderate 3-4 months -> Right-wing 2-3 months -> Far right 1-2 months -> Extreme right Complete ban -> Literally Hitler | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5186 Posts
It's like we're all collectively losing our minds trying to define when a collection of sand grains becomes a heap of sand. It makes little sense honestly. Abortion should be a pragmatic procedure in the case of something.not adding up during pregnancy. There are some more nuanced ideas where the abortion battle frond clashes between left and right, like women's rights and population control - immigration policy, but I guess if we're having this discussion, we should always also talk about birth control and women in the work place whenever a conservative brings up any notion of abortion bans or when proposing current laws needing to be more severe. It's just not tennable to me to isolate these discussions anymore because it's all tied together. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On August 11 2025 18:30 oBlade wrote: Yeah I have no idea how to parse that reckoning either. Ban after 1st trimester - far right Ban after 2nd trimester - right No ban (allow including 3rd trimester) - center (Where is "left?") total ban - presumably "extreme" right meaning worse than "far" What's supposed to be left? 3 months after birth? This doesn't fit. This was your rationale for RFK being right-wing. How is his abstract (or even personal?) belief in this right-wing but Europe's application of it exempted from being right wing? Actually I think it checks out. Here's the Mark Cuban quote I posted earlier Even if you agree with 95% of what a person is saying on a topic, if there is one point that you might call out as being more of a grey area, they will call you a fascist So the left-wing stance is the 5% on the end and everyone else that only gets up to 95% of the way there is the right-wing stance. 24 week ban? Right wing. 20 week ban? Far right. 12 week ban? Extreme right. 6 week ban? Fascist right. Total ban? Literal reincarnation of Hitler. Edit: Haha, posted this only a couple minutes after MP's post without seeing it On August 11 2025 18:49 Magic Powers wrote: These are the options: No ban -> Literally Marx 7-8 months -> Extreme left 6-7 months -> Far left 5-6 months -> Left-wing 5 months -> Moderate 3-4 months -> Right-wing 2-3 months -> Far right 1-2 months -> Extreme right Complete ban -> Literally Hitler Damn I got pretty close. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 11 2025 18:41 KwarK wrote: Abortion is not the correct thing to attack RFK on. BJ wants us to believe that RFK is a left-winger. I'm not attacking RFK on abortion, I'm explaining why he's a right-winger. BJ wants to use RFK being a left-winger as a commonly accepted fact to support his argumentation that left-wingers are playing teams and aren't honest in their views. I'm rejecting his argument because provably RFK is a right-winger. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5186 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On August 11 2025 18:55 Uldridge wrote: I don't believe for a second MP is arguing in good faith here and is just trolling BJ and oBlade, lol I don't believe for a second that you don't know MP well enough to know that's just how he is | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 11 2025 18:55 Uldridge wrote: I don't believe for a second MP is arguing in good faith here and is just trolling BJ and oBlade, lol I'm being 100% serious, what is your problem with my argument? | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5186 Posts
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Razyda
1046 Posts
On August 11 2025 18:30 oBlade wrote: Yeah I have no idea how to parse that reckoning either. Ban after 1st trimester - far right Ban after 2nd trimester - right No ban (allow including 3rd trimester) - center (Where is "left?") total ban - presumably "extreme" right meaning worse than "far" What's supposed to be left? 3 months after birth? This doesn't fit. Seems you got it wrong: On August 11 2025 18:27 Magic Powers wrote: "It is also banned in other countries, therefore it's not right-wing" is a non-sequitur. A ban at 12 months is strictly far right. You can't ban abortion at 12 months and consider yourself a moderate or even right-leaning person. You're definitely not left-wing. It's literally impossible. Do you want to redefine the political compass? | ||
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