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EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2686 Posts
4 hours ago
#102341
On July 20 2025 05:51 BlackJack wrote:
“Do you plan to refuse or choose not to get 1 or more recommended vaccines (including seasonal flu or COVID-19 vaccines) for your child after birth?”

Including the COVID vaccine by name in that survey seems like a pretty big spoiler. What's the uptake for the latest booster globally? 20%? 10%? Which would mean 80-90% of all people are not fully vaccinating themselves. On that scale birthing-people are well above average.


Well, I learned 4 things today.

1. I'm as susceptible as anyone when it comes to clickbaity content that confirm my own biases. They could have easily separated seasonal vaccines from the "if your kid doesn't have these, they might die or be crippled for life" in that study. In my defense I did check the journal and it's in the top quartile.

2. Holy moly, 50 shots? Do Americans have to do everything the hard way? Like, I got way fewer than that (similar to drone) and we had vaccinations in schools, which made it all very little hassle for my parents.

3. Taking all recommended vaccines for your children is no longer the default position for new parents. This is pretty grim no matter what.

Seasonal vaccines aren't frivolous, but they're definitely not as "cost effective" as the others. Having said that, kids are a pretty good at passing on their illnesses to parents and grandparents so vaccinating kids does have a positive effect.

4. Maybe not straight dumbassery, but the fact that parents' default position is more "choose your own adventure" than "follow official guidelines" will have serious knock-on effects for the healthcare system and you would reasonably expect a sicker population on average based off of this. This will translate to higher premiums as preventative care is orders of magnitude cheaper than treating people when stuff hits. I don't know how much the flu shot costs, but hospitalising grandma because she got the flu from her grandkids is going to be a hell of a lot more.
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10482 Posts
3 hours ago
#102342
Makes sense that America will have the most shots since it’s the wealthiest country and spends the most on healthcare. Hopefully the other countries can catch up to us. Maybe not to 50+ but maybe to at least 30+ or 40+ so that they can have better protection against communicable diseases as well.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44259 Posts
3 hours ago
#102343
On July 20 2025 08:52 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Seems like the big difference is that we bunch way more of them together, and that kids in Norway don't get flu shots.

here's the Norwegian schedule for reference, scroll down a few pages

Yeah at the end of the day, it looks like there is a shared agreement among the national/international medical communities for the vast majority of diseases that babies and children should be protected against.

Recommended seasonal/annual boosters like flu and covid are of course part of the conversation too, but I'd imagine that most parental objections to other vaccines like MMR, Rotavirus, Hep B, and DTaP come down to misinformation (like thinking they cause autism) or a myopic view of potential risks (parents know that needles hurt for a few seconds, but they might not realize how dangerous the actual diseases are).
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10697 Posts
2 hours ago
#102344
On July 20 2025 19:30 BlackJack wrote:
Makes sense that America will have the most shots since it’s the wealthiest country and spends the most on healthcare. Hopefully the other countries can catch up to us. Maybe not to 50+ but maybe to at least 30+ or 40+ so that they can have better protection against communicable diseases as well.


Did you just "America is so wealthy thats why we have so many shots" to, among others, a Norwegian?

Bold play.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21663 Posts
2 hours ago
#102345
On July 20 2025 19:30 BlackJack wrote:
Makes sense that America will have the most shots since it’s the wealthiest country and spends the most on healthcare. Hopefully the other countries can catch up to us. Maybe not to 50+ but maybe to at least 30+ or 40+ so that they can have better protection against communicable diseases as well.
I'd get warned for posting the mad max meme image but...

^that's bait.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44259 Posts
2 hours ago
#102346
On July 20 2025 20:54 Velr wrote:
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On July 20 2025 19:30 BlackJack wrote:
Makes sense that America will have the most shots since it’s the wealthiest country and spends the most on healthcare. Hopefully the other countries can catch up to us. Maybe not to 50+ but maybe to at least 30+ or 40+ so that they can have better protection against communicable diseases as well.


Did you just "America is so wealthy thats why we have so many shots" to, among others, a Norwegian?

Bold play.


It's BlackJack; his post is probably just a mix of sarcasm and bait.
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