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On July 07 2025 03:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Breaking news: Marjorie Taylor Greene is an absolute moron. "Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said Saturday she plans to introduce a bill aimed at tackling “weather modification.” “I am introducing a bill that prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere for the express purpose of altering weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity. It will be a felony offense,” she wrote in a Saturday post on X." https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5386499-greene-to-introduce-weather-modification-bill/
Yes, she's a moron. Still, this one is likely about something more practical and not on the level of Jewish space lasers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding
Cloud Seeding is a real thing. Delivering chemicals into the atmosphere to attempt to make it rain. Its actual effectiveness is in dispute, but it is absolutely something that is being tried. A bill like this one, without reading the specifics, could prevent such attempts to control the weather by adding more pollutants to the atmosphere. It's not necessarily a bad thing, although I never trust MTG to be on the right side of anything and her reasons may have more to do with conspiracy theories about weather control rather than actual concerns about polluting the environment in an attempt to control it.
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On July 07 2025 00:46 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 00:00 Introvert wrote:On July 06 2025 23:45 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
Also this is rich coming from Adam Schiff's biggest fan. Genuinely don't know who Adam Schiff is. . Not sure if lying or what, but it's hard to believe you don't. He was one of the main Russiagate people and you've quoted him multiple times in thread. Either that or you simply don't check who it was that you were actually quoting? But fine, I will believe you. On July 06 2025 23:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
You are right, I should repeat all of my criticisms of Trump or anyone for the millionth time in a row. If memory serves me right, the last time you criticized Trump was... uhm... Remind me please? Was it during this century or the previous one? How long have you been positing here, not that long compared to most of us right? I've been criticizing him since he first came down the elevator 10 years ago. On everything from tariffs to Ukraine. To not caring about spending, refusing to touch entitlements, his pettiness, his holding of grudges, his conduct in 2020 and 2021, all of it. But you, like some people, apparently feel that he must be ritually denounced and therefore I guess every time I support something he does (a far more engaging thing to have a discussion or diagareement about than a two minutes hate) that's bad. And you aren't the first to do this, but it's very odd to require some quota of criticism before engaging, that's not what "good faith" means. I've not seen you criticize Trump since the first time I posted in this thread, which was roughly four years ago. It's such a rare occurrence that it simply goes lost. Meanwhile when it comes to criticizing Democrats or left-wingers, you're always front and center.
Not to keep on this meta discussion but...
So you started posting here while Biden was president and you are wondering why I haven't criticized Trump as much? You are really nailing it here. I'm a conservative criticizing lefties during a Democratic administration. The main reason I'm replying to this though is to say that again, "good faith" doesn't mean "criticizes both sides equally."
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On July 07 2025 03:56 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 00:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 07 2025 00:00 Introvert wrote:On July 06 2025 23:45 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
Also this is rich coming from Adam Schiff's biggest fan. Genuinely don't know who Adam Schiff is. . Not sure if lying or what, but it's hard to believe you don't. He was one of the main Russiagate people and you've quoted him multiple times in thread. Either that or you simply don't check who it was that you were actually quoting? But fine, I will believe you. On July 06 2025 23:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
You are right, I should repeat all of my criticisms of Trump or anyone for the millionth time in a row. If memory serves me right, the last time you criticized Trump was... uhm... Remind me please? Was it during this century or the previous one? How long have you been positing here, not that long compared to most of us right? I've been criticizing him since he first came down the elevator 10 years ago. On everything from tariffs to Ukraine. To not caring about spending, refusing to touch entitlements, his pettiness, his holding of grudges, his conduct in 2020 and 2021, all of it. But you, like some people, apparently feel that he must be ritually denounced and therefore I guess every time I support something he does (a far more engaging thing to have a discussion or diagareement about than a two minutes hate) that's bad. And you aren't the first to do this, but it's very odd to require some quota of criticism before engaging, that's not what "good faith" means. I've not seen you criticize Trump since the first time I posted in this thread, which was roughly four years ago. It's such a rare occurrence that it simply goes lost. Meanwhile when it comes to criticizing Democrats or left-wingers, you're always front and center. Not to keep on this meta discussion but... So you started posting here while Biden was president and you are wondering why I haven't criticized Trump as much? You are really nailing it here. I'm a conservative criticizing lefties during a Democratic administration. The main reason I'm replying to this though is to say that again, "good faith" doesn't mean "criticizes both sides equally."
What makes Trump a conservative other than playing for team Republican?
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On July 07 2025 03:58 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 03:56 Introvert wrote:On July 07 2025 00:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 07 2025 00:00 Introvert wrote:On July 06 2025 23:45 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
Also this is rich coming from Adam Schiff's biggest fan. Genuinely don't know who Adam Schiff is. . Not sure if lying or what, but it's hard to believe you don't. He was one of the main Russiagate people and you've quoted him multiple times in thread. Either that or you simply don't check who it was that you were actually quoting? But fine, I will believe you. On July 06 2025 23:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
You are right, I should repeat all of my criticisms of Trump or anyone for the millionth time in a row. If memory serves me right, the last time you criticized Trump was... uhm... Remind me please? Was it during this century or the previous one? How long have you been positing here, not that long compared to most of us right? I've been criticizing him since he first came down the elevator 10 years ago. On everything from tariffs to Ukraine. To not caring about spending, refusing to touch entitlements, his pettiness, his holding of grudges, his conduct in 2020 and 2021, all of it. But you, like some people, apparently feel that he must be ritually denounced and therefore I guess every time I support something he does (a far more engaging thing to have a discussion or diagareement about than a two minutes hate) that's bad. And you aren't the first to do this, but it's very odd to require some quota of criticism before engaging, that's not what "good faith" means. I've not seen you criticize Trump since the first time I posted in this thread, which was roughly four years ago. It's such a rare occurrence that it simply goes lost. Meanwhile when it comes to criticizing Democrats or left-wingers, you're always front and center. Not to keep on this meta discussion but... So you started posting here while Biden was president and you are wondering why I haven't criticized Trump as much? You are really nailing it here. I'm a conservative criticizing lefties during a Democratic administration. The main reason I'm replying to this though is to say that again, "good faith" doesn't mean "criticizes both sides equally." What makes Trump a conservative other than playing for team Republican?
He's not a conservative, at least not the National Review/William F. Buckley/Ronald Reagan sense, although he's closer in all ways than Dems. But let's list some, noting up front that is is wiggle room and everything can be a matter of degrees: He's pro-border security, pro-immigration enforcement, is OK using force abroad at times when conservatives generally would call for it (Solemani, Iran), wants to increase US military power and spending, pro-life, and doesn't buy into the left's various identity theories. Detests the American media. Also for good measure has an adversarial relationship with the universities vis a vis how they teach, which HAS been a conservative staple since God and Man at Yale. That's just off the top of my head.
That's not endorsement of everything he's done and certainly not HOW he's done (a little too much sledgehammer for me) but I think you can start to see why conservatives are generally happy with him compared to both his predecessors.
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On July 07 2025 03:49 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 03:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Breaking news: Marjorie Taylor Greene is an absolute moron. "Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said Saturday she plans to introduce a bill aimed at tackling “weather modification.” “I am introducing a bill that prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere for the express purpose of altering weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity. It will be a felony offense,” she wrote in a Saturday post on X." https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5386499-greene-to-introduce-weather-modification-bill/ Yes, she's a moron. Still, this one is likely about something more practical and not on the level of Jewish space lasers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seedingCloud Seeding is a real thing. Delivering chemicals into the atmosphere to attempt to make it rain. Its actual effectiveness is in dispute, but it is absolutely something that is being tried. A bill like this one, without reading the specifics, could prevent such attempts to control the weather by adding more pollutants to the atmosphere. It's not necessarily a bad thing, although I never trust MTG to be on the right side of anything and her reasons may have more to do with conspiracy theories about weather control rather than actual concerns about polluting the environment in an attempt to control it.
Of the four things listed there, "weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity", weather is the least important one.
We might need stratospheric aerosol injection and/or marine cloud brightening to buy us time since CO2 removal isn't going to be fast enough. It's not without downsides but it might be significantly better than getting fried.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/solar-radiation-modification-noaa-state-science-factsheet
A bill like that would effectively ban tests and research into it in the US.
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On July 07 2025 03:39 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 03:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Breaking news: Marjorie Taylor Greene is an absolute moron. "Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said Saturday she plans to introduce a bill aimed at tackling “weather modification.” “I am introducing a bill that prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere for the express purpose of altering weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity. It will be a felony offense,” she wrote in a Saturday post on X." https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5386499-greene-to-introduce-weather-modification-bill/ Hasn't Soviet/Russia used planes to ensure sunlight a few times for parades or similar? Seems a big waste to me and if the bill targets that I can see a case for discussing it at least. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8587725.stm(I am not bothering to open links about her.)
Our felony laws wouldn't have jurisdiction in Russia.
On July 07 2025 03:49 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 03:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Breaking news: Marjorie Taylor Greene is an absolute moron. "Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said Saturday she plans to introduce a bill aimed at tackling “weather modification.” “I am introducing a bill that prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere for the express purpose of altering weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity. It will be a felony offense,” she wrote in a Saturday post on X." https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5386499-greene-to-introduce-weather-modification-bill/ Yes, she's a moron. Still, this one is likely about something more practical and not on the level of Jewish space lasers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seedingCloud Seeding is a real thing. Delivering chemicals into the atmosphere to attempt to make it rain. Its actual effectiveness is in dispute, but it is absolutely something that is being tried. A bill like this one, without reading the specifics, could prevent such attempts to control the weather by adding more pollutants to the atmosphere. It's not necessarily a bad thing, although I never trust MTG to be on the right side of anything and her reasons may have more to do with conspiracy theories about weather control rather than actual concerns about polluting the environment in an attempt to control it.
She is a climate change denier whose party is destroying the environment and the expert organizations who oversee the damage. Cloud seeding does have mixed effects/efficacy, depending on the substances, but her blanket ban on everything wouldn't be good. Silver iodide, for example, might ultimately be worthy of a ban, but the idea that scientists and environmentalists wouldn't be allowed to find and use safer alternatives is just her usual anti-science conspiracy crap.
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On July 07 2025 04:08 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 03:58 Billyboy wrote:On July 07 2025 03:56 Introvert wrote:On July 07 2025 00:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 07 2025 00:00 Introvert wrote:On July 06 2025 23:45 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
Also this is rich coming from Adam Schiff's biggest fan. Genuinely don't know who Adam Schiff is. . Not sure if lying or what, but it's hard to believe you don't. He was one of the main Russiagate people and you've quoted him multiple times in thread. Either that or you simply don't check who it was that you were actually quoting? But fine, I will believe you. On July 06 2025 23:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
You are right, I should repeat all of my criticisms of Trump or anyone for the millionth time in a row. If memory serves me right, the last time you criticized Trump was... uhm... Remind me please? Was it during this century or the previous one? How long have you been positing here, not that long compared to most of us right? I've been criticizing him since he first came down the elevator 10 years ago. On everything from tariffs to Ukraine. To not caring about spending, refusing to touch entitlements, his pettiness, his holding of grudges, his conduct in 2020 and 2021, all of it. But you, like some people, apparently feel that he must be ritually denounced and therefore I guess every time I support something he does (a far more engaging thing to have a discussion or diagareement about than a two minutes hate) that's bad. And you aren't the first to do this, but it's very odd to require some quota of criticism before engaging, that's not what "good faith" means. I've not seen you criticize Trump since the first time I posted in this thread, which was roughly four years ago. It's such a rare occurrence that it simply goes lost. Meanwhile when it comes to criticizing Democrats or left-wingers, you're always front and center. Not to keep on this meta discussion but... So you started posting here while Biden was president and you are wondering why I haven't criticized Trump as much? You are really nailing it here. I'm a conservative criticizing lefties during a Democratic administration. The main reason I'm replying to this though is to say that again, "good faith" doesn't mean "criticizes both sides equally." What makes Trump a conservative other than playing for team Republican? He's not a conservative, at least not the National Review/William F. Buckley/Ronald Reagan sense, although he's closer in all ways than Dems. But let's list some, noting up front that is is wiggle room and everything can be a matter of degrees: He's pro-border security, pro-immigration enforcement, is OK using force abroad at times when conservatives generally would call for it (Solemani, Iran), wants to increase US military power and spending, pro-life, and doesn't buy into the left's various identity theories. Detests the American media. Also for good measure has an adversarial relationship with the universities vis a vis how they teach, which HAS been a conservative staple since God and Man at Yale. That's just off the top of my head. That's not endorsement of everything he's done and certainly not HOW he's done (a little too much sledgehammer for me) but I think you can start to see why conservatives are generally happy with him compared to both his predecessors.
I could see how social conservatives would be somewhat happy. But they have to swallow the whole he does not at all live like one thing, which before him seemed to be a issue. The whole small government and fiscal conservatives should straight up hate him.
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What would such a party even stand for? At least in terms of vocal divergence with the general direction of GOP travel, Musk only really has done so on a handful of topics that directly benefit him for the most part.
‘Do you like the GOP if only they didn’t do those things Elon Musk dislikes? The America Party is the party for you!’ really doesn’t seem like it’ll have great appeal
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On July 07 2025 05:18 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 04:08 Introvert wrote:On July 07 2025 03:58 Billyboy wrote:On July 07 2025 03:56 Introvert wrote:On July 07 2025 00:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 07 2025 00:00 Introvert wrote:On July 06 2025 23:45 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
Also this is rich coming from Adam Schiff's biggest fan. Genuinely don't know who Adam Schiff is. . Not sure if lying or what, but it's hard to believe you don't. He was one of the main Russiagate people and you've quoted him multiple times in thread. Either that or you simply don't check who it was that you were actually quoting? But fine, I will believe you. On July 06 2025 23:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
You are right, I should repeat all of my criticisms of Trump or anyone for the millionth time in a row. If memory serves me right, the last time you criticized Trump was... uhm... Remind me please? Was it during this century or the previous one? How long have you been positing here, not that long compared to most of us right? I've been criticizing him since he first came down the elevator 10 years ago. On everything from tariffs to Ukraine. To not caring about spending, refusing to touch entitlements, his pettiness, his holding of grudges, his conduct in 2020 and 2021, all of it. But you, like some people, apparently feel that he must be ritually denounced and therefore I guess every time I support something he does (a far more engaging thing to have a discussion or diagareement about than a two minutes hate) that's bad. And you aren't the first to do this, but it's very odd to require some quota of criticism before engaging, that's not what "good faith" means. I've not seen you criticize Trump since the first time I posted in this thread, which was roughly four years ago. It's such a rare occurrence that it simply goes lost. Meanwhile when it comes to criticizing Democrats or left-wingers, you're always front and center. Not to keep on this meta discussion but... So you started posting here while Biden was president and you are wondering why I haven't criticized Trump as much? You are really nailing it here. I'm a conservative criticizing lefties during a Democratic administration. The main reason I'm replying to this though is to say that again, "good faith" doesn't mean "criticizes both sides equally." What makes Trump a conservative other than playing for team Republican? He's not a conservative, at least not the National Review/William F. Buckley/Ronald Reagan sense, although he's closer in all ways than Dems. But let's list some, noting up front that is is wiggle room and everything can be a matter of degrees: He's pro-border security, pro-immigration enforcement, is OK using force abroad at times when conservatives generally would call for it (Solemani, Iran), wants to increase US military power and spending, pro-life, and doesn't buy into the left's various identity theories. Detests the American media. Also for good measure has an adversarial relationship with the universities vis a vis how they teach, which HAS been a conservative staple since God and Man at Yale. That's just off the top of my head. That's not endorsement of everything he's done and certainly not HOW he's done (a little too much sledgehammer for me) but I think you can start to see why conservatives are generally happy with him compared to both his predecessors. I could see how social conservatives would be somewhat happy. But they have to swallow the whole he does not at all live like one thing, which before him seemed to be an issue. The whole small government and fiscal conservatives should straight up hate him.
One would think so right? Same with Libertarians on freedom/autonomy issues in the social/cultural realm.
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On July 07 2025 05:22 WombaT wrote:What would such a party even stand for? At least in terms of vocal divergence with the general direction of GOP travel, Musk only really has done so on a handful of topics that directly benefit him for the most part. ‘Do you like the GOP if only they didn’t do those things Elon Musk dislikes? The America Party is the party for you!’ really doesn’t seem like it’ll have great appeal
It seems to literally be an anti- "Republicans who support Trump's recent Big Beautiful Bill" party, and nothing else:
""By a factor of 2 to 1, you want a new political party and you shall have it!" he wrote. The announcement from Musk comes after Trump signed his self-styled "big, beautiful" tax-cut and spending bill into law on Friday, which Musk fiercely opposed. ... Fishback is asking Tesla's board to clarify Musk's political ambitions and said the new party undermines the confidence shareholders had that he would be focusing more on the company after leaving government service in May. Musk said previously that he would start a new political party and spend money to unseat lawmakers who supported the bill."
It would certainly be interesting if a Musk-backed Republican unseated/primaried a Trump-backed Republican.
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On July 07 2025 03:58 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 03:56 Introvert wrote:On July 07 2025 00:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 07 2025 00:00 Introvert wrote:On July 06 2025 23:45 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
Also this is rich coming from Adam Schiff's biggest fan. Genuinely don't know who Adam Schiff is. . Not sure if lying or what, but it's hard to believe you don't. He was one of the main Russiagate people and you've quoted him multiple times in thread. Either that or you simply don't check who it was that you were actually quoting? But fine, I will believe you. On July 06 2025 23:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
You are right, I should repeat all of my criticisms of Trump or anyone for the millionth time in a row. If memory serves me right, the last time you criticized Trump was... uhm... Remind me please? Was it during this century or the previous one? How long have you been positing here, not that long compared to most of us right? I've been criticizing him since he first came down the elevator 10 years ago. On everything from tariffs to Ukraine. To not caring about spending, refusing to touch entitlements, his pettiness, his holding of grudges, his conduct in 2020 and 2021, all of it. But you, like some people, apparently feel that he must be ritually denounced and therefore I guess every time I support something he does (a far more engaging thing to have a discussion or diagareement about than a two minutes hate) that's bad. And you aren't the first to do this, but it's very odd to require some quota of criticism before engaging, that's not what "good faith" means. I've not seen you criticize Trump since the first time I posted in this thread, which was roughly four years ago. It's such a rare occurrence that it simply goes lost. Meanwhile when it comes to criticizing Democrats or left-wingers, you're always front and center. Not to keep on this meta discussion but... So you started posting here while Biden was president and you are wondering why I haven't criticized Trump as much? You are really nailing it here. I'm a conservative criticizing lefties during a Democratic administration. The main reason I'm replying to this though is to say that again, "good faith" doesn't mean "criticizes both sides equally." What makes Trump a conservative other than playing for team Republican?
He hates minorities, science, and paying taxes.
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Musk making an insurgent party to sort within the greater republican party but to make changes that suits him makes sense in theory.
I wonder if he's advised well enough to target local government and the kind of purple seats that would be competitive for him. There are a lot of low fruit gerrymandered seats in hard blue states that don't get a lot of attention or money. He could easily snap up 5-10 seats and dictate terms to Republicans.
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On July 07 2025 06:18 Sermokala wrote:
Musk making an insurgent party to sort within the greater republican party but to make changes that suits him makes sense in theory.
I wonder if he's advised well enough to target local government and the kind of purple seats that would be competitive for him. There are a lot of low fruit gerrymandered seats in hard blue states that don't get a lot of attention or money. He could easily snap up 5-10 seats and dictate terms to Republicans.
I’d say the past couple of years would indicate he’s either advised badly, or just ignores advice.
I’d imagine that propensity, among his other foibles that make him so destructive if you say, give him a government position and seemingly carte blanche, would make me worry less if he’s trying to get something off the ground.
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On July 07 2025 04:08 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 03:58 Billyboy wrote:On July 07 2025 03:56 Introvert wrote:On July 07 2025 00:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 07 2025 00:00 Introvert wrote:On July 06 2025 23:45 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
Also this is rich coming from Adam Schiff's biggest fan. Genuinely don't know who Adam Schiff is. . Not sure if lying or what, but it's hard to believe you don't. He was one of the main Russiagate people and you've quoted him multiple times in thread. Either that or you simply don't check who it was that you were actually quoting? But fine, I will believe you. On July 06 2025 23:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
You are right, I should repeat all of my criticisms of Trump or anyone for the millionth time in a row. If memory serves me right, the last time you criticized Trump was... uhm... Remind me please? Was it during this century or the previous one? How long have you been positing here, not that long compared to most of us right? I've been criticizing him since he first came down the elevator 10 years ago. On everything from tariffs to Ukraine. To not caring about spending, refusing to touch entitlements, his pettiness, his holding of grudges, his conduct in 2020 and 2021, all of it. But you, like some people, apparently feel that he must be ritually denounced and therefore I guess every time I support something he does (a far more engaging thing to have a discussion or diagareement about than a two minutes hate) that's bad. And you aren't the first to do this, but it's very odd to require some quota of criticism before engaging, that's not what "good faith" means. I've not seen you criticize Trump since the first time I posted in this thread, which was roughly four years ago. It's such a rare occurrence that it simply goes lost. Meanwhile when it comes to criticizing Democrats or left-wingers, you're always front and center. Not to keep on this meta discussion but... So you started posting here while Biden was president and you are wondering why I haven't criticized Trump as much? You are really nailing it here. I'm a conservative criticizing lefties during a Democratic administration. The main reason I'm replying to this though is to say that again, "good faith" doesn't mean "criticizes both sides equally." What makes Trump a conservative other than playing for team Republican? He's not a conservative, at least not the National Review/William F. Buckley/Ronald Reagan sense, although he's closer in all ways than Dems. But let's list some, noting up front that is is wiggle room and everything can be a matter of degrees: He's pro-border security, pro-immigration enforcement, is OK using force abroad at times when conservatives generally would call for it (Solemani, Iran), wants to increase US military power and spending, pro-life, and doesn't buy into the left's various identity theories. Detests the American media. Also for good measure has an adversarial relationship with the universities vis a vis how they teach, which HAS been a conservative staple since God and Man at Yale. That's just off the top of my head. That's not endorsement of everything he's done and certainly not HOW he's done (a little too much sledgehammer for me) but I think you can start to see why conservatives are generally happy with him compared to both his predecessors.
Yeah I can see "conservatives" being happy with a convicted felon as the sitting president. It's in line with their... lawful intentions or something. Very conservative.
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On July 07 2025 05:18 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2025 04:08 Introvert wrote:On July 07 2025 03:58 Billyboy wrote:On July 07 2025 03:56 Introvert wrote:On July 07 2025 00:46 Magic Powers wrote:On July 07 2025 00:00 Introvert wrote:On July 06 2025 23:45 KwarK wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
Also this is rich coming from Adam Schiff's biggest fan. Genuinely don't know who Adam Schiff is. . Not sure if lying or what, but it's hard to believe you don't. He was one of the main Russiagate people and you've quoted him multiple times in thread. Either that or you simply don't check who it was that you were actually quoting? But fine, I will believe you. On July 06 2025 23:48 Magic Powers wrote:On July 06 2025 23:42 Introvert wrote:
You are right, I should repeat all of my criticisms of Trump or anyone for the millionth time in a row. If memory serves me right, the last time you criticized Trump was... uhm... Remind me please? Was it during this century or the previous one? How long have you been positing here, not that long compared to most of us right? I've been criticizing him since he first came down the elevator 10 years ago. On everything from tariffs to Ukraine. To not caring about spending, refusing to touch entitlements, his pettiness, his holding of grudges, his conduct in 2020 and 2021, all of it. But you, like some people, apparently feel that he must be ritually denounced and therefore I guess every time I support something he does (a far more engaging thing to have a discussion or diagareement about than a two minutes hate) that's bad. And you aren't the first to do this, but it's very odd to require some quota of criticism before engaging, that's not what "good faith" means. I've not seen you criticize Trump since the first time I posted in this thread, which was roughly four years ago. It's such a rare occurrence that it simply goes lost. Meanwhile when it comes to criticizing Democrats or left-wingers, you're always front and center. Not to keep on this meta discussion but... So you started posting here while Biden was president and you are wondering why I haven't criticized Trump as much? You are really nailing it here. I'm a conservative criticizing lefties during a Democratic administration. The main reason I'm replying to this though is to say that again, "good faith" doesn't mean "criticizes both sides equally." What makes Trump a conservative other than playing for team Republican? He's not a conservative, at least not the National Review/William F. Buckley/Ronald Reagan sense, although he's closer in all ways than Dems. But let's list some, noting up front that is is wiggle room and everything can be a matter of degrees: He's pro-border security, pro-immigration enforcement, is OK using force abroad at times when conservatives generally would call for it (Solemani, Iran), wants to increase US military power and spending, pro-life, and doesn't buy into the left's various identity theories. Detests the American media. Also for good measure has an adversarial relationship with the universities vis a vis how they teach, which HAS been a conservative staple since God and Man at Yale. That's just off the top of my head. That's not endorsement of everything he's done and certainly not HOW he's done (a little too much sledgehammer for me) but I think you can start to see why conservatives are generally happy with him compared to both his predecessors. I could see how social conservatives would be somewhat happy. But they have to swallow the whole he does not at all live like one thing, which before him seemed to be a issue. The whole small government and fiscal conservatives should straight up hate him.
Clinton killed a lot of that, Republicans tried to make that argument but no one accepted it. Then Romney was the final nail in the coffin. Don't forget four years before Trump was nominated Republicans nominated the most milquetoast person possible. Yet, Romney was treated like trash by his opponents and the media. GOP voters wanted someone who would hit back as hard he could. Also, recall Trump didn't get through the 2016 primary for free, he had real challenges and wasn't crowned from the very beginning. Then after his first time, GOP voters and conservatives trusted him. Finally, Trump brought in a lot of people who aren't doctrinaire conservatives, many of whom aren't particularly interested in smaller government. He hasn't won blowouts, but his coalition is maybe the most broad one since Reagan.
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Northern Ireland26342 Posts
Was Romney treated any worse than Obama by his political opponents?
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Norway28756 Posts
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The last time any Republican presidential candidate proposed anything that would actually help the working class was George W. Bush's Medicare Part D, and even that was half a giveaway to the rich. McCain, Romney, and Trump all got and still get kids' gloves treatment from the media because they never had any plan deeper than tax cuts for the rich, and yet are still treated as having a serious vision to improve life for the working class.
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He absolutely was, the double standard among politicos and the media espeically. I've brought it up before but Biden said that Romney wanted "to put ya'll back in chains" and most people defended him. The author of Romneycare who couldn't even run against Obamacare was treated as a heartless tycoon. He certainly was treated awfully, and that's how the average Republican saw it. Criticism of Obama was always linked back to his race by his defenders. The blatant bias and favoritism fueled right-wing distain for the "normal" processes and politicians. That's where Trump came from. At the very least if somehow you disagree with that, I'm telling you that's how it was perceived. And it's hard to deny that even so called "reputable" media had their whole hand on the scale.
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