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On July 04 2025 07:06 Billyboy wrote:
DJT has not hit on most of his big talking points from the election, other than immigration. Ukraine war did not stop day one, Israel and Hamas still fighting, Cost of living is up, No manufacturing has run back to the US, has decreased Health care and social security.
He's sucking on everything not culture war related, but that is strangely what is most important to many/most of his supporters.
He’s doing fine, he’s doing the things his base supports.
They’re not actual solutions to the problems, but he is doing many of his solutions he said he would try.
Other ruling parties could learn from him in this, and solely this domain.
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So your only source that deportations are up comes from the guy whose job it is to get deportations up.
White House touts nearly 140,000 deportations, but data says roughly half actually deported
On Trump's 99th day in office, his border czar says the administration is on track, deporting 139,000 people since Trump's inauguration.
"The numbers are good," Tom Homan said April 28 during a news conference at the White House.
But immigration experts say the figures don't add up.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people.
I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us
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The deficit will explode, he will at least now be adding 5 trillion to the debt, and is now funding a domestic paramilitary operation at the level of a top 20 military in the world to hunt people.
On July 04 2025 07:14 BlackJack wrote:So your only source that deportations are up comes from the guy whose job it is to get deportations up. White House touts nearly 140,000 deportations, but data says roughly half actually deportedShow nested quote +On Trump's 99th day in office, his border czar says the administration is on track, deporting 139,000 people since Trump's inauguration.
"The numbers are good," Tom Homan said April 28 during a news conference at the White House.
But immigration experts say the figures don't add up.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people. I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us
"I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us" says BJ as he posts the information presented by a government official appointed by the president. No sources, no accountability, no evidence, just straight up vibes based trust by BJ.
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On July 04 2025 07:14 Sermokala wrote:The deficit will explode, he will at least now be adding 5 trillion to the debt, and is now funding a domestic paramilitary operation at the level of a top 20 military in the world to hunt people. Show nested quote +On July 04 2025 07:14 BlackJack wrote:So your only source that deportations are up comes from the guy whose job it is to get deportations up. White House touts nearly 140,000 deportations, but data says roughly half actually deportedOn Trump's 99th day in office, his border czar says the administration is on track, deporting 139,000 people since Trump's inauguration.
"The numbers are good," Tom Homan said April 28 during a news conference at the White House.
But immigration experts say the figures don't add up.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people. I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us "I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us" says BJ as he posts the information presented by a government official appointed by the president. No sources, no accountability, no evidence, just straight up vibes based trust by BJ.
I think you're a little slow here. I'm the one disputing Tom Homan's numbers. MP is the one agreeing with them.
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On July 04 2025 07:19 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2025 07:14 Sermokala wrote:The deficit will explode, he will at least now be adding 5 trillion to the debt, and is now funding a domestic paramilitary operation at the level of a top 20 military in the world to hunt people. On July 04 2025 07:14 BlackJack wrote:So your only source that deportations are up comes from the guy whose job it is to get deportations up. White House touts nearly 140,000 deportations, but data says roughly half actually deportedOn Trump's 99th day in office, his border czar says the administration is on track, deporting 139,000 people since Trump's inauguration.
"The numbers are good," Tom Homan said April 28 during a news conference at the White House.
But immigration experts say the figures don't add up.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people. I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us "I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us" says BJ as he posts the information presented by a government official appointed by the president. No sources, no accountability, no evidence, just straight up vibes based trust by BJ. I think you're a little slow here. I'm the one disputing Tom Homan's numbers. MP is the one agreeing with them.
Are you familiar with the concept of Irony?
Specifically you are admiting that you judge the numbers based on you agreeing with them or not.
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On July 04 2025 07:14 BlackJack wrote:So your only source that deportations are up comes from the guy whose job it is to get deportations up. White House touts nearly 140,000 deportations, but data says roughly half actually deportedShow nested quote +On Trump's 99th day in office, his border czar says the administration is on track, deporting 139,000 people since Trump's inauguration.
"The numbers are good," Tom Homan said April 28 during a news conference at the White House.
But immigration experts say the figures don't add up.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people. I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us
Very much on brand for you to completely ignore that your own links confirm the increase in deportations. You're projecting - between the two of us, you're actually the one who rarely reads your own sources.
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On July 04 2025 07:14 Simberto wrote:
I think you gotta distinguish between "Has done" and "has tried to do". The argument here was that he has taken actions which definitively relate to a lot of the stuff he said.
He definitively did try to do stuff about Ukraine, and he did the tariff stuff.
His actions just don't really work.
But has just trying ever been enough? I'm pretty sure his supports are not participating ribbon type of people, in fact they probably hate it.
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When Trump tries but fails, at least he tried, which is more than anyone else did.
When Biden tried and failed, it only mattered that he failed. Hell, if he tried and succeeded, you could probably squint and turn it into a failure somehow.
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On July 04 2025 07:25 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2025 07:19 BlackJack wrote:On July 04 2025 07:14 Sermokala wrote:The deficit will explode, he will at least now be adding 5 trillion to the debt, and is now funding a domestic paramilitary operation at the level of a top 20 military in the world to hunt people. On July 04 2025 07:14 BlackJack wrote:So your only source that deportations are up comes from the guy whose job it is to get deportations up. White House touts nearly 140,000 deportations, but data says roughly half actually deportedOn Trump's 99th day in office, his border czar says the administration is on track, deporting 139,000 people since Trump's inauguration.
"The numbers are good," Tom Homan said April 28 during a news conference at the White House.
But immigration experts say the figures don't add up.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people. I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us "I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us" says BJ as he posts the information presented by a government official appointed by the president. No sources, no accountability, no evidence, just straight up vibes based trust by BJ. I think you're a little slow here. I'm the one disputing Tom Homan's numbers. MP is the one agreeing with them. Are you familiar with the concept of Irony? Specifically you are admiting that you judge the numbers based on you agreeing with them or not.
Um, no. If you actually take 5 minutes to read the article you could see the difference in evidence for the 2 numbers.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people
"Unless they deported 30,000-plus people to Canada, I'm not seeing it," said Adam Isacson, director of defense oversight at the left-leaning Washington Office on Latin America. There is no indication that many people have been removed to Canada.
There have been roughly 400 ICE deportation flights since Trump took office, according to Tom Cartwright, who tracks ICE flights daily as a volunteer for Witness at the Border. At roughly 125 people per plane, that's 50,000 people in total, which squares with ICE's own reporting.
On the one hand you have immigration experts, official numbers reported to Congress, and even people tracking ICE flights out of the country.
On the other hand you have a number that Tom Homan gives with his only evidence as "internal data" which they don't share.
I'm picking the former number not because I "agree with it" but because that's the one with evidence behind it. You're picking the latter number because it fits your narrative better, evidence be damned.
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I find it classic that Trump is telling farmers they can keep their migrants, for example. Well telling the rest of the audience, migrants are no good.
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On July 04 2025 08:04 micronesia wrote:
When Trump tries but fails, at least he tried, which is more than anyone else did.
When Biden tried and failed, it only mattered that he failed. Hell, if he tried and succeeded, you could probably squint and turn it into a failure somehow.
The IRA had $600b to combat climate change. Biden got every Democratic Senator including Joe Manchin from coal country to vote for it, but it's still commonplace to hear "nobody's doing anything about it" even among other Democrats.
The double standard the two political parties get is absolutely insane.
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On July 04 2025 08:49 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2025 08:04 micronesia wrote:
When Trump tries but fails, at least he tried, which is more than anyone else did.
When Biden tried and failed, it only mattered that he failed. Hell, if he tried and succeeded, you could probably squint and turn it into a failure somehow. The IRA had $600b to combat climate change. Biden got every Democratic Senator including Joe Manchin from coal country to vote for it, but it's still commonplace to hear "nobody's doing anything about it" even among other Democrats. The double standard the two political parties get is absolutely insane.
Democrats dangled the New green deal in front of people and then delivered something, let's just say, not entirely in the same spirit.
But anyway, this is veering off point. The point I was making is that with Trump what you see is what you get. If he is advocating to do something cruel and stupid, he will do/attempt to do the cruel and stupid thing and threaten anyone against him with getting primaried by his cult. People know this and still voted for him. Hence, it is fair to say that the majority of voting Americans actually did want the cruel and stupid thing.
You could not pay me enough to continue my academic career in America right now.
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On July 04 2025 08:11 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2025 07:25 Sermokala wrote:On July 04 2025 07:19 BlackJack wrote:On July 04 2025 07:14 Sermokala wrote:The deficit will explode, he will at least now be adding 5 trillion to the debt, and is now funding a domestic paramilitary operation at the level of a top 20 military in the world to hunt people. On July 04 2025 07:14 BlackJack wrote:So your only source that deportations are up comes from the guy whose job it is to get deportations up. White House touts nearly 140,000 deportations, but data says roughly half actually deportedOn Trump's 99th day in office, his border czar says the administration is on track, deporting 139,000 people since Trump's inauguration.
"The numbers are good," Tom Homan said April 28 during a news conference at the White House.
But immigration experts say the figures don't add up.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people. I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us "I guess we accept the propaganda numbers when it suits us" says BJ as he posts the information presented by a government official appointed by the president. No sources, no accountability, no evidence, just straight up vibes based trust by BJ. I think you're a little slow here. I'm the one disputing Tom Homan's numbers. MP is the one agreeing with them. Are you familiar with the concept of Irony? Specifically you are admiting that you judge the numbers based on you agreeing with them or not. Um, no. If you actually take 5 minutes to read the article you could see the difference in evidence for the 2 numbers. Show nested quote +U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is required by Congress to publicly share detention and deportation information every two weeks, has reported removing less than half that number, roughly 57,000 people Show nested quote +"Unless they deported 30,000-plus people to Canada, I'm not seeing it," said Adam Isacson, director of defense oversight at the left-leaning Washington Office on Latin America. There is no indication that many people have been removed to Canada. Show nested quote +There have been roughly 400 ICE deportation flights since Trump took office, according to Tom Cartwright, who tracks ICE flights daily as a volunteer for Witness at the Border. At roughly 125 people per plane, that's 50,000 people in total, which squares with ICE's own reporting. On the one hand you have immigration experts, official numbers reported to Congress, and even people tracking ICE flights out of the country. On the other hand you have a number that Tom Homan gives with his only evidence as "internal data" which they don't share. I'm picking the former number not because I "agree with it" but because that's the one with evidence behind it. You're picking the latter number because it fits your narrative better, evidence be damned.
Your own sources contradict your supposed "evidence".
You want to have your cake and eat it, too. You want others to provide evidence after reading their own sources fully, but you yourself take the liberty of not reading your own sources and then you call out a "lack of evidence" where there is in fact plenty of it.
You are projecting really, really hard.
Furthermore, ICE is about to receive a lot more funding than before. But I'm sure this also doesn't count as "evidence" in BJ land. Just close your eyes and there's no "evidence".
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ice-budget-big-beautiful-bill/
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Ok, you win. Reuters, Vox, NBCNews, Newsweek, yahoo, etc all have it wrong when they wrote articles saying trumps deportation rate lags Biden’s. They’re wrong, you’re right. Good job.
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On July 04 2025 19:14 BlackJack wrote:
Ok, you win. Reuters, Vox, NBCNews, Newsweek, yahoo, etc all have it wrong when they wrote articles saying trumps deportation rate lags Biden’s. They’re wrong, you’re right. Good job.
Again, these are your own sources and they state that deportations are up.
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You’re right again, of course. A Reuters headline that says “Trump deporting people at a slower rate than Biden's last year in office” is actually stating that deportations have gone up under Trump. Good job deciphering that correctly.
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On July 04 2025 19:51 BlackJack wrote:
You’re right again, of course. A Reuters headline that says “Trump deporting people at a slower rate than Biden's last year in office” is actually stating that deportations have gone up under Trump. Good job deciphering that correctly.
You posted a few more sources. Read the other ones and try again.
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BJ & MP agreeing on the main point and yet fighting tooth and nail to prove... something.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On July 04 2025 07:14 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2025 07:06 Billyboy wrote:
DJT has not hit on most of his big talking points from the election, other than immigration. Ukraine war did not stop day one, Israel and Hamas still fighting, Cost of living is up, No manufacturing has run back to the US, has decreased Health care and social security.
He's sucking on everything not culture war related, but that is strangely what is most important to many/most of his supporters. He’s doing fine, he’s doing the things his base supports. They’re not actual solutions to the problems, but he is doing many of his solutions he said he would try. Other ruling parties could learn from him in this, and solely this domain.
Are you joking me? This isn't fourth grade. Results matter. Trump throwing temper tantrums that alienates every US ally and strengthens the opposition isn't "trying and failing, but at least he tried", it's pure incompetence. If I show up tomorrow at work and completely undermine my company, throw everyone under the bus, sell company secrets, and achieve none of the goals that I am supposed to achieve, management wouldn't be going "oh well, at least he tried", I'd be be fired.
Edit: Maybe I misunderstood the comment. If you mean people could learn from Trump - as in learn how to lie and announce failures as achievements, I would say I don't want to particularly live in a world where that is the most effective way to govern
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On July 04 2025 20:18 Doublemint wrote:BJ & MP agreeing on the main point and yet fighting tooth and nail to prove... something. + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0tm6EbhFAg&list=RDV0tm6EbhFAg&start_radio=1
What point are BJ and I agreeing on? He's denying that Trump is deporting people at a higher rate. There's plenty of evidence proving it, and that's the main point.
BJ's behavior is also perfectly in line with his general tendency of attacking Democrats while playing defense for Republicans.
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