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oBlade
United States5766 Posts
On June 22 2025 17:58 Magic Powers wrote: When was the last time NK launched a nuke of peace to another country? North Korea has luckily never nuked anyone. While someone doesn't have nuclear weapons, you know, no luck involved, the future time they nuke someone doesn't exist, and they won't share the technology with someone else, the way North Korea got the technology with help from Pakistan. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia912 Posts
The same "principled republicans" here who I'm sure were super duper against Iraq and are super anti war are here cheering this shit on. The worse authoritarians in the west decided to escalate and start a war with a country of almost 100 million people and the bloodthirsty warmongers here are praising it and calling anyone who disagrees with their warmongering tankies. This is Tel Aviv this morning: ![[image loading]](https://ip.index.hr/remote/bucket.index.hr/b/index/7613c43d-f881-42a7-adc0-cf2da3a43a44.jpg) I'm sure tomorrow Iranian government will step down peacefully, get replaced by peace loving hippies and welcome the liberators Bibi and Donald with a flower parade. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45055 Posts
On June 22 2025 15:08 tankgirl wrote: I never post here or even read the newspapers anymore but I couldnt escape the headlines. I am not informed enough to have an opinion on this complex issue. But after 20+ years of Iran's shenanigan, I am just grateful we finally have a strong Commander in Chief. Don't need Twitter to be reminded that's what our president is doing. Someone graciously printed it on the backs of our one-dollar bill, which we exchange with our hands daily: + Show Spoiler [imgur] + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/WAZNCrS.png) First of all, “E pluribus unum” has nothing to do with hypocritically bombing Iran while asking for peace. Uniting the past colonies or present states or various communities of Americans into one country and one voice is literally the opposite of what Trump does, as he's the most divisive American president of our lives. Americans have been protesting him across all 50 states, and his rhetoric, actions, and favorability polls have *not* been encouraging. Second, I'm not sure how you're defining "strong", but time and time again Trump's tough guy routine has backfired immensely on the American people. | ||
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oBlade
United States5766 Posts
On June 22 2025 19:15 Jankisa wrote: All I can say is that it's honestly disturbing watching the usual suspects here showing how much of a cult they are by towing the line perfectly. Someone needs to reign them in so they stop towing the line. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26051 Posts
On June 22 2025 13:44 Sermokala wrote: By your logic Khameini has nothing left to lose. They have many proxies throughout the middle east, if they're going down they might as well go down swinging. The people aren't just going to forget grand humiliations and the violations of their sovereignty like this. There are going to be consequences for this and there is no reason to believe that we're going to get the egypt outcome from this, where at least the people are ruled like medieval peasants once again. The lesson learned from this is to never cooperate with an international agency ever again, all you will gain is giving the great enemy coordinates to take out your program whenever they feel like it. Aye that’s a fair point for sure On June 22 2025 16:55 KwarK wrote: “Bombing Iran? But your ad said no more wars” “Oh, they got this all screwed up” “So you won’t stay out of foreign wars?” “No, more wars” Well-played. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8642 Posts
![[image loading]](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1000w,f_auto,q_auto:best/msnbc/Components/ArtAndPhoto-Fronts/COVER/080501/g-cvr-080501-mission-10a.jpg) as a nice little reminder - that was in may 2003 btw. declaring victory prematurely should have been the lesson. but the essential question back then as it is today - is there an exit strategy? or just a spiral we hope does not turn downward as grumpy orange golfer is indeed pissed he had to fly back to Washington interrupting his inimitable golfing prowess. and dispel the TACO accusations. leaving the next move to the theocratic regime in Iran pushed into a corner. what could possibly go wrong? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5656 Posts
On June 22 2025 20:01 oBlade wrote: Someone needs to reign them in so they stop towing the line. It's "rein them in", you grammar commie. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26051 Posts
On June 22 2025 20:20 maybenexttime wrote: It's "rein them in", you grammar commie. *rain | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45055 Posts
**rainvfefe | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21955 Posts
On June 22 2025 20:19 Doublemint wrote: I assume the exit strategy is "we destroyed their enrichment facility, the rest Israel can handle, job done".+ Show Spoiler + as a nice little reminder - that was in may 2003 btw. declaring victory prematurely should have been the lesson. but the essential question back then as it is today - is there an exit strategy? or just a spiral we hope does not turn downward as grumpy orange golfer is indeed pissed he had to fly back to Washington interrupting his inimitable golfing prowess. and dispel the TACO accusations. leaving the next move to the theocratic regime in Iran pushed into a corner. what could possibly go wrong? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26051 Posts
On June 22 2025 17:23 GreenHorizons wrote: The "80%" lie to start. Also, the fact that this month Light was also saying that the majority of Cuomo's support was from name recognition, while only a few weeks later saying people repeating his point were being condescending while implying they're being racist.*The rhetorical manipulation of switching "80%" to "+30" while measuring different rounds against each other and such to save face was what made me abandon any hope. To be clear, that doesn't mean that Cuomo and moderate "thirdway" centrism or whatever doesn't have supporters. I just find this bullshit where centrists exploit (mostly) elder Black people's conservatism to make out anyone that opposes it to be condescending/racist some of the most despicable shit people ostensibly on the left habitually do nowadays. It's no better than Republicans with Herman Cain, Justice Thomas, and Ben Carson types painting everyone that criticizes them as being racist. Fair point on the 80%. Whether it was pulled out of their arse or whatever, it was corrected though. I don’t think Light has expressed much of a different opinion as me when it comes to name recognition. It’s why I wasn’t paying much attention to polling months ago. The further you are out the more you’re just polling name recognition. When you start getting closer, other candidates get more of the spotlight, policies start getting sunlight, and records become more under the microscope. Just in general, people are paying more attention. It’s not contradictory to think name recognition wins early polls, but is less of a factor in winning elections themselves. On June 22 2025 00:35 LightSpectra wrote: I edited my comment before you replied, sorry about that, but yeah, Cuomo dropped about 20 points in the polls consistently in the past three weeks. Not sure what the issue is. When he was winning every demographic (conservative, liberal, and progressive) I think it was fair to say that early polls are not indicative of anything since nobody else had significant name recognition yet. Now that we're closer to the actual primary election, the question is why people keep breaking toward Cuomo, and the thing I was talking about is that a significant portion of Democrats (over half nationwide it seems) actually do ideologically agree with centrist liberalism, they aren't just voting on name recognition alone, they genuinely think Cuomo would make the best governor. On the bolded, versus what’s actually said here there doesn’t seem much to link the two, at least from what LightSpectra has been saying. Certainly yes, a phenomenon one does see. I’m not sure I’m seeing it here. How do you win elections as a progressive, if the populace at large isn’t that progressive? That seems to be the crux of what they’re saying. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26051 Posts
Haha, near spat out my covfefe there! | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1947 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
I had wondered how my “here’s how Khameini can still win” tankie friends would respond to this. They are saying the US strikes did zero harm to the nuclear facilities and Iran is giving the US an off ramp right now. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45055 Posts
On June 22 2025 22:20 Mohdoo wrote: lol I didn’t even post recently. But good morning to you, too! I had wondered how my “here’s how Khameini can still win” tankie friends would respond to this. They are saying the US strikes did zero harm to the nuclear facilities and Iran is giving the US an off ramp right now. If destroying Iran's nuclear facilities ends up being a successful deterrent, and Iran essentially gives up threatening and attacking other entities, would you support the United States doing the same thing against Israel and Russia - destroying their respective nuclear facilities as well? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On June 22 2025 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: If destroying Iran's nuclear facilities ends up being a successful deterrent, and Iran essentially gives up threatening and attacking other entities, would you support the United States doing the same thing against Israel and Russia - destroying their respective nuclear facilities as well? Of corse he would. It's the pragmaticoptionTM. | ||
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Billyboy
1267 Posts
On June 22 2025 22:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: If destroying Iran's nuclear facilities ends up being a successful deterrent, and Iran essentially gives up threatening and attacking other entities, would you support the United States doing the same thing against Israel and Russia - destroying their respective nuclear facilities as well? Those guys already have bombs, Mohdoo has been very consistent that it is ultimate defense to have one and once you do you can not be attacked. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1879 Posts
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KwarK
United States43248 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States1879 Posts
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