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LightSpectra
United States2710 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14144 Posts
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Billyboy
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46061 Posts
Trump once claimed that Biden would start WW3. There really is a tweet, an irony, and a hypocrisy to everything Trump says and does. | ||
Falling
Canada11535 Posts
Sure puts to lie on why they've been dragging their heels on Ukraine though. Will no-one think about all the people dying? Trump (peace be upon him) sure isn't concerned. But, hey. Let's go for full regime change in Iran as the next step. That's what everyone was voting for, right? 5D Chess. Trust the plan. Have faith and believe. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46061 Posts
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1936573183634645387 | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 22 2025 10:42 LightSpectra wrote: Is that you John Bolton? Rarely see people with such a hardon for war. I don’t see this turning into a war. I view the IRGC’s public execution as a net positive for peace. I think our disagreement here ultimately stems from what we expect to follow. I think this is a rare moment where Trump and his team giving absolutely zero shits about international optics or standard procedure is a very good thing. I know the whole “you break it, you buy it” thing is supposed to describe a morally responsible thing to do after creating a massive power void in a country. History has shown us many nations are truly better off without their former adversary. Iran is better off trying to find its own way through this giant shift. The US saying “look, I only gave a shit about you because the whole nuke thing. If you don’t have nukes, I’m better off dealing with whatever bullshit you try to pull without me around rather than with me around. See ya later!” is better for everyone involved. | ||
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Billyboy
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14144 Posts
The lesson learned from this is to never cooperate with an international agency ever again, all you will gain is giving the great enemy coordinates to take out your program whenever they feel like it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 22 2025 13:44 Sermokala wrote: By your logic Khameini has nothing left to lose. They have many proxies throughout the middle east, if they're going down they might as well go down swinging. The people aren't just going to forget grand humiliations and the violations of their sovereignty like this. There are going to be consequences for this and there is no reason to believe that we're going to get the egypt outcome from this, where at least the people are ruled like medieval peasants once again. The lesson learned from this is to never cooperate with an international agency ever again, all you will gain is giving the great enemy coordinates to take out your program whenever they feel like it. I don’t think Khameini has reason to keep fighting the US. It looks like they launched a giant retaliation targeted only as Israel so far. And I think if Khameini tried to do something big against the US, his military wouldn’t obey Edit: previously I said Khameini realized genuine sovereignty could only be achieved with nuclear weapons. Now that he took his shot, the possibility is literally 0% rather than a long shot. All the facilities will never be rebuilt. | ||
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tankgirl
Canada475 Posts
I am not informed enough to have an opinion on this complex issue. But after 20+ years of Iran's shenanigan, I am just grateful we finally have a strong Commander in Chief. On June 22 2025 12:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: In the same single tweet, Trump both bragged about dropping "a full payload of BOMBS" and shouted "NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE". Don't need Twitter to be reminded that's what our president is doing. Someone graciously printed it on the backs of our one-dollar bill, which we exchange with our hands daily: + Show Spoiler [imgur] + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/WAZNCrS.png) | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
Trump supporters sound like problem gamblers. | ||
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KwarK
United States44071 Posts
“Oh, they got this all screwed up” “So you won’t stay out of foreign wars?” “No, more wars” | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22420 Posts
On June 22 2025 13:14 Billyboy wrote: The big question now is will Iran retaliate on the US bases and ships or not. And if so how much? Nothing so direct or immediate. But some planes might fly into some towers in a few years thanks to today. I will say, from a US perspective this is the most measured response outside of doing nothing. We will see if it stays with this and how long Israel is going to keep going. Netanyahus problem hasn't changed, when the wars end ao does he. | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8754 Posts
On June 22 2025 12:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: In the same single tweet, Trump both bragged about dropping "a full payload of BOMBS" and shouted "NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE". https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1936573183634645387 war is peace. ignorance is strength. get with the program people... conflicting messages are for the "other side". you have to trust in me. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24032 Posts
On June 22 2025 07:51 WombaT wrote: I’m unsure what it is that Light’s been saying that you take such particular umbrage with? The "80%" lie to start. Also, the fact that this month Light was also saying that the majority of Cuomo's support was from name recognition, while only a few weeks later saying people repeating his point were being condescending while implying they're being racist.*The rhetorical manipulation of switching "80%" to "+30" while measuring different rounds against each other and such to save face was what made me abandon any hope. To be clear, that doesn't mean that Cuomo and moderate "thirdway" centrism or whatever doesn't have supporters. I just find this bullshit where centrists exploit (mostly) elder Black people's conservatism to make out anyone that opposes it to be condescending/racist some of the most despicable shit people ostensibly on the left habitually do nowadays. It's no better than Republicans with Herman Cain, Justice Thomas, and Ben Carson types painting everyone that criticizes them as being racist. | ||
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oBlade
United States6218 Posts
On June 22 2025 15:46 Magic Powers wrote: Lets try the thing one more time that has failed literally every single time. But this time it'll be different. Trump supporters sound like problem gamblers. There's no comparable examples of conventional strikes to enforce nonproliferation against a state you don't want to get nuclear weapons. Nobody did it with Pakistan. Bush drew a red line with North Korea and then ignored it and let them get nukes while he was distracted in the Middle East. This has "failed every single time" as much as it has "succeeded every single time" because there are 0 single times it has been tried before. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On June 22 2025 17:27 oBlade wrote: There's no comparable examples of conventional strikes to enforce nonproliferation against a state you don't want to get nuclear weapons. Nobody did it with Pakistan. Bush drew a red line with North Korea and then ignored it and let them get nukes while he was distracted in the Middle East. This has "failed every single time" as much as it has "succeeded every single time" because there are 0 single times it has been tried before. When was the last time NK launched a nuke of peace to another country? | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2818 Posts
On June 22 2025 17:14 Gorsameth wrote: Nothing so direct or immediate. But some planes might fly into some towers in a few years thanks to today. I will say, from a US perspective this is the most measured response outside of doing nothing. We will see if it stays with this and how long Israel is going to keep going. Netanyahus problem hasn't changed, when the wars end ao does he. A fiber optic drone has 20-30 km range and can carry the equivalent of an RPG+ sized warhead. It can't be jammed and the point of launch can't be triangulated. The only was to stop it is some kind of hard kill system. Except for the explosives most items to build it can just be bought in country. The options for assassination is endless as long as your target is somewhere outside or in a vehicle. The options for terrorism is even worse. Russia is at war and is a complete police state and they couldn't stop Ukraine from hitting their nuclear bombers. | ||
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