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On March 07 2025 03:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 02:48 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 07 2025 01:43 Mohdoo wrote:
I've decided the little signs held by democrats are just confirmation this is all just a hell created by ruling class to torture us.
Its just such a parody its insane. Nothing quite summarizes democrat politicians quite like that little resistance they put on there. Myyy golly. LibHorizons: Summary isn't quite complete without mentioning the Democrats that collaborate with Trump/Republicans. Ten Democrats joined with House Republicans on Thursday to censure Rep. Al Green for his protest during President Donald Trump’s address to Congress this week — a formal condemnation of the Texas Democrat’s actions. www.cnn.comI'd ask DPB and the rest of the libs/Dems/ilk that should be supporting/working on a plan where we draw the line for "willing to sufficiently fight the Trump administration agenda". Is it at Al Green? Anything less isn't sufficient? Is it at those like Patty Murray that refused to go? Maybe it's at those that refused to sit through the whole speech and walked out? Or maybe as long as they held up a sign they are still sufficiently fighting in some people's view? But surely, SURELY, the Democrats that are collaborating with Republicans to silence Democrats that oppose the Trump/Musk administration's agenda don't make the cut? Right? The fascists are definitely going to win if the libs/Dems/ilk here are too cowardly/lazy/petulant to even try discussing how to adequately oppose and supplant those fascists electorally. I wish there were an easy, obvious, universal, objective magic line, but it's going to be different for each voter. For me, I think those 10 Democrats fucked up by aligning with Republicans and nonsensical House rules that even Republicans don't follow. Some (Many? Most?) Democrats are still more worried about playing the game according to the no-longer-sacrosanct rules and trying to keep the moral high ground, as the Republicans win and do whatever they want. I think that Democrats need to make more noise, not shame each other for making the bare minimum.
LibHorizons: I agree on all counts I believe. Assuming the "not shame each other for making the bare minimum" is referencing the censuring, and not the signs which were pretty pathetic.
While each individual voters line will be different, we can and I argue need to develop a fair and honest metric to determine what to do about politicians like the 10 Democrats that "fucked up by aligning with Republicans" and are going to continue to limit themselves with "nonsensical House rules that even Republicans don't follow". Because saying "I wish they didn't do that and did this instead" isn't actually a strategy or plan to fix it.
Need to figure out if they should be primaried, protested, or whatever else. It's a huge project on an ever shrinking timeline that needs anyone that has any motivation to oppose the Trump/Musk administration's agenda to contribute what they can, when and where they can. That includes people like all of us in little online backwaters like this.
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On March 07 2025 03:07 Sadist wrote:
Jimmy Trump owns 100% of any recession. His policies are directly initiating it. Growth was precicted at 2-3% for Q1 until we decided to try to light the world on fire and become the bad guys.
Canada retaliating is a good thing. I dont blame them at all. There will be no good will left towards the US until Trump is out of office.
I guess case in point, me.
I'm literally furnishing a new place now, and deliberately avoiding American products anywhere I can.
It's a few thousand dollars that American companies are not in the running for. It's two months into a Trump presidency and I suspect by the four year mark, we'll have detached even further from America.
The larger influencers (Liquor boards of Quebec/Ontario/BC) are going to really going to make red states feel pain, and it's not going to be pretty on either side.
I suspect Canada with better social support fabric will handle the impact to the tariff affected workforces better. There's actually a plan in place on our side as compared to the pile of dogshit the US is handing us.
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Northern Ireland26512 Posts
On March 07 2025 03:37 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 03:07 Sadist wrote:
Jimmy Trump owns 100% of any recession. His policies are directly initiating it. Growth was precicted at 2-3% for Q1 until we decided to try to light the world on fire and become the bad guys.
Canada retaliating is a good thing. I dont blame them at all. There will be no good will left towards the US until Trump is out of office. I guess case in point, me. I'm literally furnishing a new place now, and deliberately avoiding American products anywhere I can. It's a few thousand dollars that American companies are not in the running for. It's two months into a Trump presidency and I suspect by the four year mark, we'll have detached even further from America. The larger influencers (Liquor boards of Quebec/Ontario/BC) are going to really going to make red states feel pain, and it's not going to be pretty on either side. I suspect Canada with better social support fabric will handle the impact to the tariff affected workforces better. There's actually a plan in place on our side as compared to the pile of dogshit the US is handing us.
How do the Canadian liquor boards work? Having been to some Scani countries I know there’s like a state-run concern in some, is it like that?
Also off the top of my head I recall reading that like 40% of US whiskey exports are to Canada and well, it’s not semiconductors, plenty of places can produce whiskey. Scotland, Northern Ireland known for some quality products having y’know, basically standardised the thing to begin with.
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On March 07 2025 04:05 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 03:37 Lmui wrote:On March 07 2025 03:07 Sadist wrote:
Jimmy Trump owns 100% of any recession. His policies are directly initiating it. Growth was precicted at 2-3% for Q1 until we decided to try to light the world on fire and become the bad guys.
Canada retaliating is a good thing. I dont blame them at all. There will be no good will left towards the US until Trump is out of office. I guess case in point, me. I'm literally furnishing a new place now, and deliberately avoiding American products anywhere I can. It's a few thousand dollars that American companies are not in the running for. It's two months into a Trump presidency and I suspect by the four year mark, we'll have detached even further from America. The larger influencers (Liquor boards of Quebec/Ontario/BC) are going to really going to make red states feel pain, and it's not going to be pretty on either side. I suspect Canada with better social support fabric will handle the impact to the tariff affected workforces better. There's actually a plan in place on our side as compared to the pile of dogshit the US is handing us. How do the Canadian liquor boards work? Having been to some Scani countries I know there’s like a state-run concern in some, is it like that? Also off the top of my head I recall reading that like 40% of US whiskey exports are to Canada and well, it’s not semiconductors, plenty of places can produce whiskey. Scotland, Northern Ireland known for some quality products having y’know, basically standardised the thing to begin with.
Probably the same as the Scani countries.
Liquor boards are the only purchaser for the province (ex. Ontario+BC+Quebec is around 30 million people).
They pick and choose all liquor that is available in the province, and then anyone in the province, whether you're a restaurant, bar, or private consumer needs to buy from them.
This means they have massive purchasing power, and if you're a big distillery, you probably have a line or two dedicated to producing product just for the Canadian market. Losing that is similar to losing California as a market, it'll hurt.
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[kiQUOTE]On March 07 2025 03:19 KwarK wrote:
On March 07 2025 02:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Relax guys. As I said months ago... Before the election there were strong indicators of a 2025 recession. I factored that into my economic growth projections for 2025.
Trump is already getting bogged down on micro issues like high grade nickel tariffs that he won't have time to take over the free world. 😀
There was a brutal recession right after Reagan took office and no one blamed him. The 2025 recession will be blamed on Trump. In reality, he will be about 20% responsible due to all the government layoffs initiated by DOGE.
When you campaign specifically on the economy and making it better and when you specifically state it'll be better on day 1 and when you specifically and publicly claim responsibility for everything that happens in November and December, before you even took office, you can't suddenly discover that you weren't involved in March.
Pick a lane.
I projected 2% economic growth in 2025 for USA. That is my lane. It is funny that guy most critical of my projection never countered with his own projection. Clearly his criticism was just polemics.
On March 07 2025 03:07 Sadist wrote:
Canada retaliating is a good thing. I dont blame them at all. There will be no good will left towards the US until Trump is out of office.
Dumb move by a mediocre PM. Canadians are suffering for it while Justin has tears in his eyes and whines in an embarrassing presser.
Mexico got a deal while Trudeau whines and Canada twists in the wind
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Northern Ireland26512 Posts
Why am I reading articles about a possibly impending EO to get rid of the Department of Education?
The fuck is going on?
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I love Fox News. Mexico is doing a great job stopping Fentanyl at the border so Trump paused their tariffs. Now all Trump has to do is remove the tariffs on China.
Canada needs to step up! Lol.
Man, did Trudeau fuck this up.
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On March 07 2025 04:41 WombaT wrote:
Why am I reading articles about a possibly impending EO to get rid of the Department of Education?
The fuck is going on?
It's not a shocker, he's been saying that since last year and it's one of the clear objectives of P2025. This is what Americans voted for, he literally told them everything he will do, can't be all Pikachu face about it now.
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Finland963 Posts
On March 07 2025 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I love Fox News.
I mean to be fair, this really does explain a lot.
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United States43828 Posts
On March 07 2025 04:56 hexhaven wrote:I mean to be fair, this really does explain a lot.
The reason his posts never align from day to day is because he's getting new opinions delivered.
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I have 2 general irl friend groups who I discuss politics stuff with. One of them was about 50% people who were already in a post-democrat mindset who held views similar to GH but with a lot less reason to believe those things. The other was entirely democrat. In both groups, all conversations are within a post-democrat future. A couple people think/hope the label democrat persists but want the entire leadership purged and replaced. But none of the people I talk about politics with have any desire for the current form of the Democratic Party to exist and they don’t intend to support the current form.
How about everyone else? How do your friend groups feel about the party? Is this just an Oregon thing? It feels like there is an unspoken but widely felt shrugging at the death of the Pelosi and Schumer party. It’s like it’s failed so thoroughly they don’t even care anymore? Hard to describe. But this is very different from when Trump won the first time. There’s a complete and total loss of faith in the party.
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On March 07 2025 04:41 WombaT wrote:
Why am I reading articles about a possibly impending EO to get rid of the Department of Education?
The fuck is going on? Easier to manipulate dumb people
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On March 07 2025 04:58 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 04:56 hexhaven wrote:On March 07 2025 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I love Fox News. I mean to be fair, this really does explain a lot. The reason his posts never align from day to day is because he's getting new opinions delivered.
Fox News hardly ever talks about Canada. When is the last time Fox News mentioned Bob RAe's name?
Please tell me how my views of Bob Rae are related to Fox News info?
Clearly, the 'l love Fox news' is pure sarcasm as soon as you read my next line.
Nice context drop by the other poster.
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United States43828 Posts
On March 07 2025 05:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I have 2 general irl friend groups who I discuss politics stuff with. One of them was about 50% people who were already in a post-democrat mindset who held views similar to GH but with a lot less reason to believe those things. The other was entirely democrat. In both groups, all conversations are within a post-democrat future. A couple people think/hope the label democrat persists but want the entire leadership purged and replaced. But none of the people I talk about politics with have any desire for the current form of the Democratic Party to exist and they don’t intend to support the current form.
How about everyone else? How do your friend groups feel about the party? Is this just an Oregon thing? It feels like there is an unspoken but widely felt shrugging at the death of the Pelosi and Schumer party. It’s like it’s failed so thoroughly they don’t even care anymore? Hard to describe. But this is very different from when Trump won the first time. There’s a complete and total loss of faith in the party.
It's part of the broader Trump societal sickness. The cultural taboos have been so utterly destroyed that the social contract has been discredited.
It doesn't make sense to engage in non violent protest or performative resistance anymore but the Democrats haven't caught up yet. The Democrats represent the older consensus where you might disagree with your neighbour on politics but you could still respect each other, you could still be friends. You'd get a turn in power and they'd get a turn in power but you'd be arguing about tax rates or whatever.
Trump destroyed it. It's why we see such support for finding people like Luigi not guilty. Everyone, even those on the right, know that Trump committed his crimes. He's on tape confessing. But he appointed highly partisan judges and those highly partisan judges killed the cases. When that happens the result isn't just that he gets away with criminality, the entire idea of equality under the law is broken. The entire idea that the justice system is nonpartisan and that laws are something that we all agree upon is broken. Society relies upon people being willing to say that "I don't personally agree with X but it's the agreed upon result of a system I believe in and therefore I will accept it". So why not find Luigi not guilty, laws don't matter, justice isn't real. Why not vandalize shit belonging to Trump supporters. Why not try to remove Trump from office, it's certainly worth a shot.
Democrats are a legacy of the before times. They believe it's possible to go back. It's not. They're going to say shit like "obviously it's wrong to shoot Nazis, we've all got to get along" or "let's wait for a proper internal police inquiry into why they shot another unarmed man in the back".
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United States43828 Posts
On March 07 2025 05:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 04:58 KwarK wrote:On March 07 2025 04:56 hexhaven wrote:On March 07 2025 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I love Fox News. I mean to be fair, this really does explain a lot. The reason his posts never align from day to day is because he's getting new opinions delivered. Fox News hardly ever talks about Canada. When is the last time Fox News mentioned Bob RAe's name? Please tell me how my views of Bob Rae are related to Fox News info? Clearly, the 'l love Fox news' is pure sarcasm as soon as you read my next line. Nice context drop by the other poster.
Your posts read like untreated mental illness.
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Northern Ireland26512 Posts
On March 07 2025 05:01 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 04:41 WombaT wrote:
Why am I reading articles about a possibly impending EO to get rid of the Department of Education?
The fuck is going on? Easier to manipulate dumb people
I still maintain formal education is grossly overstated in this regard over culture, although yeah there’s a link obviously.
I also don’t really understand this move from a propaganda outlet/creating good little capitalist drones angle.
Not my angle, I assume obviously but just to make that clear!
Even if that is your goal, is having a federal, agency that you can somewhat standardise things more useful?
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On March 07 2025 05:14 KwarK wrote:
Democrats are a legacy of the before times. They believe it's possible to go back. It's not. They're going to say shit like "obviously it's wrong to shoot Nazis, we've all got to get along" or "let's wait for a proper internal police inquiry into why they shot another unarmed man in the back".
I'd say this is a good summary and accurate.
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Let's stick to the topic of US politics.
Sheinbaum did a better job than Trudeau in negotiating with Trump.
Congratz to Mexico.
Ms Sheinbaum's approval rating is very high. Trudeau's approval rating has been at historic lows for years. So the success of Ms. Sheinbaum and the failure of Trudeau Jr. should not be a big shock.
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They're just like a business that was unwilling or didn't have the (brain)power to pivot and now they've become outpaced and obsolete.
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