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On March 06 2025 05:52 EnDeR_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Again, I severely doubt that anyone is going to be thinking about Palestine during the midterms. There are just too many other fires to put out. I'd imagine most candidates will be making a case on how they're going to unfuck America, not how they're going to help Palestine. That boat already sailed and those people thought that letting Trump through was a better outcome. LibHorizons: That's part of why it's absolutely critical to establish what "unfuck America" means, who can be trusted to do it, how to measure success, and how to hold people accountable for failure. We needed it weeks ago and every second we don't have it helps Trump. Without establishing that, "unfuck America" is just meaningless rhetoric to rationalize voting for/supporting the (former) status quo that gave us Trump, which seems to be what most libs/Dems/ilk here actually want.
If anyone has a better start/idea/plan than me for how to "unfuck America", I'm desperate to hear it. If not (as it seems is the case), you all should be supporting the ideas I presented unless/until you come up with/find something better.
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Trump declared no taxes on tips and no taxes on OT. He lowered income tax in 2017. Long term, he needs to generate revenue from someplace.
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA. There still might be low tariffs for Canada and Mexico. Once this entire mess plays out, the USA's neighbours will have the lowest tariffed access to the US market. Corps and their chickenshit middle managers will be afraid and they will play it safe and tend to base things in the USA with branch plants in Canada and/or Mexico as needed. There also might be fine details deep within the newly negotiated USMCA that help all this along.
I had a hard time figuring Trump out on this one. This is a big win for hard working Americans.
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On March 06 2025 12:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA.
Am I misunderstanding tariffs or are you? Other countries don't pay our tariffs. The US does. It is money taken out of hide. I just did a search to confirm:
Trump is a proponent of tariffs, insisting that they are paid for by foreign countries. In fact, it is importers — American companies — that pay tariffs, and the money goes to the U.S. Treasury. From https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/5-things-to-know-about-tariffs-and-how-they-work
edit: Are you just saying he will generate revenue by taxing americans more in the form of tariffs?
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Trump has not only already explained that his plan is for tariffs to fund the state indefinitely, he’s already started massive layoffs at the IRS. They’re not temporary, there is no secret plan to remove them later. He’s doing exactly what he says he’s doing. Trying to decode a secret meaning is just cope.
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On March 06 2025 12:55 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 12:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA. Am I misunderstanding tariffs or are you? Other countries don't pay our tariffs. The US does. It is money taken out of hide.
i just say it that way. you are correct. the US government collects tariffs from the US company that brings in the imported goods. in all probability the eventual consumer sees higher prices and pays the US company that imported the goods.
US Consumer -> US Vendor -> US Government. Mexico and Canada pay nothing.
On March 06 2025 14:09 KwarK wrote:
Trump has not only already explained that his plan is for tariffs to fund the state indefinitely, he’s already started massive layoffs at the IRS. They’re not temporary, there is no secret plan to remove them later. He’s doing exactly what he says he’s doing. Trying to decode a secret meaning is just cope.
it is not a "secret plan to remove them later" Lutnick already explained how Canada and Mexico can get out of these huge tariffs on Fox News with millions watching. Damn, he is annoying.
The reciprocal tariffs will stick. The 25% tariff on Canadian electricity generated in Ontario and Quebec won't stick around. They'll make a permanent deal. Trump thrives in a circus atmosphere. He sure has created one!
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Incidentally tariffs would need to be over 100% on all imports to cover his spending plans. Also the purpose of them isn’t to raise money, it’s to shape consumer spending choices. You tariff foreign production to make domestic production more competitive and then consumers switch to that to avoid paying the tariff. The point bring that tariffs are not a sustainable revenue source, they’re designed to be avoided. But Trump’s plan relies upon tariffs not doing the one thing tariffs are good at doing.
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On March 06 2025 14:18 KwarK wrote:
Incidentally tariffs would need to be over 100% on all imports to cover his spending plans. Also the purpose of them isn’t to raise money, it’s to shape consumer spending choices. You tariff foreign production to make domestic production more competitive and then consumers switch to that to avoid paying the tariff. The point bring that tariffs are not a sustainable revenue source, they’re designed to be avoided. But Trump’s plan relies upon tariffs not doing the one thing tariffs are good at doing.
The purpose of a tariff can be whatever you want it to be. It is a way to raise money. It is a way to shape consumer choices.
Trump is just screwing around right now trying to scare management personnel into putting HQs and Top Manufacturing Plants inside the USA. His messaging is intentionally all over the place. The most powerful world leader on earth is a flim flam man.
Trump is a pretty typical blowhard, loud-mouthed American that most skilled Canadian politicians deal with very well. Previous generations of Canadian leaders like Bob Rae and Jean Chretien would've handled Trump easily. Months ago, Bob Rae said Trump would have to make Auto Sector concessions. As usual, Bob Rae was dead bang on the money. He is too cool for school and one of the best union leaders of the past 50+ years. Today's Canadian leaders get flustered by Trump. It is kinda sad and rather comical to see the current crop of mediocre Canadian leaders get freaked out by the guy.
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The tariffs will mainly cause prices to rise for US customers and slow down the economy. Tariffs is not really right wing policy.
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Tariffs are just a tool. If you see another country 1uping a sector of your economy by subsidies or less regulation, you can use tariffs to offset.
Trump Admin uses tariffs as revenge and to shit on people. He has killed more american jobs in a month than any other president.. I don't even mean happen to be president and economy going bad, but killing jobs actively.
This week: 80.000 Jobs with the office of veteran affairs.. and killing the "CHIPS Act" because Biden signed it.
You can buy a meeting with Trump for 1-5 million dollars
Everyone who bought US Military equipment now must have immediate second thoughts, as the HIMARS artillery systems in Ukraine fall silent, since Hegseth has pulled the plug on them, as well as providing other military intel to ukraine.
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/european-leaders-aim-to-draft-ukraine-peace-1741201733.html
It's unclear if ukraine now lacks only coordinates on where to strike, or even can't use HIMARS at all without the DRM-Targeting data being streamed by the US. (This would be the problem with TAURUS, you'd either have to share how to generate the targeting data.. or provide it "as a service"...).
The US (military) intelligence is now monitoring russian bombers, cruise missles and drones starting, without telling kiyv.
Next step is to actively share their intel on ukraine with russia "to end the war".
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On March 06 2025 12:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 05:52 EnDeR_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Again, I severely doubt that anyone is going to be thinking about Palestine during the midterms. There are just too many other fires to put out. I'd imagine most candidates will be making a case on how they're going to unfuck America, not how they're going to help Palestine. That boat already sailed and those people thought that letting Trump through was a better outcome. LibHorizons: That's part of why it's absolutely critical to establish what "unfuck America" means, who can be trusted to do it, how to measure success, and how to hold people accountable for failure. We needed it weeks ago and every second we don't have it helps Trump. Without establishing that, "unfuck America" is just meaningless rhetoric to rationalize voting for/supporting the (former) status quo that gave us Trump, which seems to be what most libs/Dems/ilk here actually want. If anyone has a better start/idea/plan than me for how to "unfuck America", I'm desperate to hear it. If not (as it seems is the case), you all should be supporting the ideas I presented unless/until you come up with/find something better.
I don't disagree that we need a plan.
All I am saying is that Gaza is not going to be on the ballot. There probably won't even be a Gaza by then.
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