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On March 06 2025 05:52 EnDeR_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Again, I severely doubt that anyone is going to be thinking about Palestine during the midterms. There are just too many other fires to put out. I'd imagine most candidates will be making a case on how they're going to unfuck America, not how they're going to help Palestine. That boat already sailed and those people thought that letting Trump through was a better outcome. LibHorizons: That's part of why it's absolutely critical to establish what "unfuck America" means, who can be trusted to do it, how to measure success, and how to hold people accountable for failure. We needed it weeks ago and every second we don't have it helps Trump. Without establishing that, "unfuck America" is just meaningless rhetoric to rationalize voting for/supporting the (former) status quo that gave us Trump, which seems to be what most libs/Dems/ilk here actually want.
If anyone has a better start/idea/plan than me for how to "unfuck America", I'm desperate to hear it. If not (as it seems is the case), you all should be supporting the ideas I presented unless/until you come up with/find something better.
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Trump declared no taxes on tips and no taxes on OT. He lowered income tax in 2017. Long term, he needs to generate revenue from someplace.
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA. There still might be low tariffs for Canada and Mexico. Once this entire mess plays out, the USA's neighbours will have the lowest tariffed access to the US market. Corps and their chickenshit middle managers will be afraid and they will play it safe and tend to base things in the USA with branch plants in Canada and/or Mexico as needed. There also might be fine details deep within the newly negotiated USMCA that help all this along.
I had a hard time figuring Trump out on this one. This is a big win for hard working Americans.
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United States24777 Posts
On March 06 2025 12:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA.
Am I misunderstanding tariffs or are you? Other countries don't pay our tariffs. The US does. It is money taken out of hide. I just did a search to confirm:
Trump is a proponent of tariffs, insisting that they are paid for by foreign countries. In fact, it is importers — American companies — that pay tariffs, and the money goes to the U.S. Treasury. From https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/5-things-to-know-about-tariffs-and-how-they-work
edit: Are you just saying he will generate revenue by taxing americans more in the form of tariffs?
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United States44046 Posts
Trump has not only already explained that his plan is for tariffs to fund the state indefinitely, he’s already started massive layoffs at the IRS. They’re not temporary, there is no secret plan to remove them later. He’s doing exactly what he says he’s doing. Trying to decode a secret meaning is just cope.
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On March 06 2025 12:55 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 12:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA. Am I misunderstanding tariffs or are you? Other countries don't pay our tariffs. The US does. It is money taken out of hide.
i just say it that way. you are correct. the US government collects tariffs from the US company that brings in the imported goods. in all probability the eventual consumer sees higher prices and pays the US company that imported the goods.
US Consumer -> US Vendor -> US Government. Mexico and Canada pay nothing.
On March 06 2025 14:09 KwarK wrote:
Trump has not only already explained that his plan is for tariffs to fund the state indefinitely, he’s already started massive layoffs at the IRS. They’re not temporary, there is no secret plan to remove them later. He’s doing exactly what he says he’s doing. Trying to decode a secret meaning is just cope.
it is not a "secret plan to remove them later" Lutnick already explained how Canada and Mexico can get out of these huge tariffs on Fox News with millions watching. Damn, he is annoying.
The reciprocal tariffs will stick. The 25% tariff on Canadian electricity generated in Ontario and Quebec won't stick around. They'll make a permanent deal. Trump thrives in a circus atmosphere. He sure has created one!
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United States44046 Posts
Incidentally tariffs would need to be over 100% on all imports to cover his spending plans. Also the purpose of them isn’t to raise money, it’s to shape consumer spending choices. You tariff foreign production to make domestic production more competitive and then consumers switch to that to avoid paying the tariff. The point bring that tariffs are not a sustainable revenue source, they’re designed to be avoided. But Trump’s plan relies upon tariffs not doing the one thing tariffs are good at doing.
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On March 06 2025 14:18 KwarK wrote:
Incidentally tariffs would need to be over 100% on all imports to cover his spending plans. Also the purpose of them isn’t to raise money, it’s to shape consumer spending choices. You tariff foreign production to make domestic production more competitive and then consumers switch to that to avoid paying the tariff. The point bring that tariffs are not a sustainable revenue source, they’re designed to be avoided. But Trump’s plan relies upon tariffs not doing the one thing tariffs are good at doing.
The purpose of a tariff can be whatever you want it to be. It is a way to raise money. It is a way to shape consumer choices.
Trump is just screwing around right now trying to scare management personnel into putting HQs and Top Manufacturing Plants inside the USA. His messaging is intentionally all over the place. The most powerful world leader on earth is a flim flam man.
Trump is a pretty typical blowhard, loud-mouthed American that most skilled Canadian politicians deal with very well. Previous generations of Canadian leaders like Bob Rae and Jean Chretien would've handled Trump easily. Months ago, Bob Rae said Trump would have to make Auto Sector concessions. As usual, Bob Rae was dead bang on the money. He is too cool for school and one of the best union leaders of the past 50+ years. Today's Canadian leaders get flustered by Trump. It is kinda sad and rather comical to see the current crop of mediocre Canadian leaders get freaked out by the guy.
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The tariffs will mainly cause prices to rise for US customers and slow down the economy. Tariffs is not really right wing policy.
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Tariffs are just a tool. If you see another country 1uping a sector of your economy by subsidies or less regulation, you can use tariffs to offset.
Trump Admin uses tariffs as revenge and to shit on people. He has killed more american jobs in a month than any other president.. I don't even mean happen to be president and economy going bad, but killing jobs actively.
This week: 80.000 Jobs with the office of veteran affairs.. and killing the "CHIPS Act" because Biden signed it.
You can buy a meeting with Trump for 1-5 million dollars
Everyone who bought US Military equipment now must have immediate second thoughts, as the HIMARS artillery systems in Ukraine fall silent, since Hegseth has pulled the plug on them, as well as providing other military intel to ukraine.
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/european-leaders-aim-to-draft-ukraine-peace-1741201733.html
It's unclear if ukraine now lacks only coordinates on where to strike, or even can't use HIMARS at all without the DRM-Targeting data being streamed by the US. (This would be the problem with TAURUS, you'd either have to share how to generate the targeting data.. or provide it "as a service"...).
The US (military) intelligence is now monitoring russian bombers, cruise missles and drones starting, without telling kiyv.
Next step is to actively share their intel on ukraine with russia "to end the war".
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On March 06 2025 12:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 05:52 EnDeR_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Again, I severely doubt that anyone is going to be thinking about Palestine during the midterms. There are just too many other fires to put out. I'd imagine most candidates will be making a case on how they're going to unfuck America, not how they're going to help Palestine. That boat already sailed and those people thought that letting Trump through was a better outcome. LibHorizons: That's part of why it's absolutely critical to establish what "unfuck America" means, who can be trusted to do it, how to measure success, and how to hold people accountable for failure. We needed it weeks ago and every second we don't have it helps Trump. Without establishing that, "unfuck America" is just meaningless rhetoric to rationalize voting for/supporting the (former) status quo that gave us Trump, which seems to be what most libs/Dems/ilk here actually want. If anyone has a better start/idea/plan than me for how to "unfuck America", I'm desperate to hear it. If not (as it seems is the case), you all should be supporting the ideas I presented unless/until you come up with/find something better.
I don't disagree that we need a plan.
All I am saying is that Gaza is not going to be on the ballot. There probably won't even be a Gaza by then.
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Jimmy your posts read like you have schizophrenia. One day you are telling us how stupid Canada is for putting all of their eggs in the US basket. Next you seem to imply tariffs are paid by other countries. Then you say the tariffs arent permanent and theyll go away and itll be great that Canada has access to the US Market. This is after you previously criticized canadas trade strategy
You seem like a nice enough guy. You may wanna talk to your Dr unless you are playing a character.
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On March 06 2025 20:08 Sadist wrote:
Jimmy your posts read like you have schizophrenia.
Some of mine show you what at least intermittent schizophrenia can look like. I hope you never see those. You never really know when you‘re in a phase though.
I think in his case that‘s just being American - Canadian and attempting to see Trump as a rational actor.
These threads have been more educational to me than the rot on various other websites which I was vulnerable for.
A lot of what was supposed to be news has already turned into propaganda.
I don‘t know how to better put it than knowing that someone is batshit insane when I see them. I got a bit on experience on that matter. And Trump definitely is batshit insane. More than half of the US too apparently.
I think the way politics works also makes them that way but ugh. Just ugh. I want to disappear somewhere in Papua New Guinea and chomp on grilled lizards these days when I see the state of world politics.
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On March 06 2025 16:23 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 12:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 06 2025 05:52 EnDeR_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Again, I severely doubt that anyone is going to be thinking about Palestine during the midterms. There are just too many other fires to put out. I'd imagine most candidates will be making a case on how they're going to unfuck America, not how they're going to help Palestine. That boat already sailed and those people thought that letting Trump through was a better outcome. LibHorizons: That's part of why it's absolutely critical to establish what "unfuck America" means, who can be trusted to do it, how to measure success, and how to hold people accountable for failure. We needed it weeks ago and every second we don't have it helps Trump. Without establishing that, "unfuck America" is just meaningless rhetoric to rationalize voting for/supporting the (former) status quo that gave us Trump, which seems to be what most libs/Dems/ilk here actually want. If anyone has a better start/idea/plan than me for how to "unfuck America", I'm desperate to hear it. If not (as it seems is the case), you all should be supporting the ideas I presented unless/until you come up with/find something better. I don't disagree that we need a plan. + Show Spoiler +All I am saying is that Gaza is not going to be on the ballot. There probably won't even be a Gaza by then.
LibHorizons: Let's focus on the plan then?
Does it have your support or do you have something better to offer? That question is for anyone that is going to have any advice for voters when voting time comes. No lib/Dem/ilk really has a sensible reason not to answer that question in a reasonable time. Not for me, for themselves.
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On March 06 2025 20:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 20:08 Sadist wrote:
Jimmy your posts read like you have schizophrenia.
Some of mine show you what at least intermittent schizophrenia can look like. I hope you never see those. You never really know when you‘re in a phase though. I think in his case that‘s just being American - Canadian and attempting to see Trump as a rational actor. These threads have been more educational to me than the rot on various other websites which I was vulnerable for.
My rule of thumb is, if someone is talking bollocks, they’re just talking bollocks. If I can’t understand what the fuck someone is even talking about to ascertain if it’s bollocks or not, maybe they’re having a bad time.
Yer there yourself and have to spend a pretty sizeable time living amongst folks having a very bad time mentally, you get the radar for it.
Hope I never see it too!
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On March 06 2025 12:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump declared no taxes on tips and no taxes on OT. He lowered income tax in 2017. Long term, he needs to generate revenue from someplace.
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA. There still might be low tariffs for Canada and Mexico. Once this entire mess plays out, the USA's neighbours will have the lowest tariffed access to the US market. Corps and their chickenshit middle managers will be afraid and they will play it safe and tend to base things in the USA with branch plants in Canada and/or Mexico as needed. There also might be fine details deep within the newly negotiated USMCA that help all this along.
I had a hard time figuring Trump out on this one. This is a big win for hard working Americans.
It doesn't need to go all the way into no tax on income for example.
And it does work:
TSMC
Apple
Venture Global
Panama Ports Company
OpenAI / stargate
Pfizer (tbc)
Some of these are even without implementing tariff, just Trump being Trump.
US has its biggest FDI in its history
https://www.ft.com/content/38c1687a-dba5-4442-a7e6-5ec0e0b0ac5b
And these will outlast Trump's presidency.
Just TSMC and Apple is almost as big as the CHIP act, and private investment without the US spending a single dime.
>The U.S., which has been actively expanding its advanced semiconductor capacity, is projected to hold 22% of the global market share by 2030.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250305063041/en/U.S.-to-Hold-Over-20-of-Advanced-Semiconductor-Capacity-by-2030-TSMC-Expands-Investment-to-US165-Billion-Says-TrendForce
And Trump top priority is to restructure the debt and balance, this is very much needed and is even more important than keeping up non-stop growth.
The US needs to have more room to rise rates, and without fixing it fundamentally, it can't.
You have financial companies like Nomura predicting the slowdown is intentional, to slow inflation and get FED lowering rates, buying Trump even more time.
Meanwhile the EU is facing both an economic slowdown, with a necessity to fund more debt to build an army.
Another country that I think could struggle, is UK where huge amount of business, AND utilities are owned by foreign companies (including CK Hutchison Holdings which owned the Panama canal)
But will Trump succeed? I am not confident, but he is attempting to fix some of the structural problem. If he succeeds, the US will be in a much better spot.
And, the US doesn't need to grow faster indefinitely, it just needs to do better than the rest. And having more key investments by key firms, is NEVER bad.
A lot of these policies don't surprise me, I remember couple of years ago, listening to a pod caster interviewing an advisory to US security.
He was saying there's an increasing voice about China's protectionism and state led economic/technological drive, with non-stop acquisition of foreign firms etc, is a model what the US need to learn from, and how China managed to get away with COVID and fentanyl. And of course, the non-stop modern monetary theory just delay the eventual problem.
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On March 06 2025 21:20 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 20:36 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2025 20:08 Sadist wrote:
Jimmy your posts read like you have schizophrenia.
Some of mine show you what at least intermittent schizophrenia can look like. I hope you never see those. You never really know when you‘re in a phase though. I think in his case that‘s just being American - Canadian and attempting to see Trump as a rational actor. These threads have been more educational to me than the rot on various other websites which I was vulnerable for. My rule of thumb is, if someone is talking bollocks, they’re just talking bollocks. If I can’t understand what the fuck someone is even talking about to ascertain if it’s bollocks or not, maybe they’re having a bad time. Yer there yourself and have to spend a pretty sizeable time living amongst folks having a very bad time mentally, you get the radar for it. Hope I never see it too!
In this case the bollocks are that Jimmy is a Trump apologist who is a bit hesitant about displaying it, rightfully so.
I haven‘t seen anything he (Trump) did make sense save early on when I fell a bit for his persona and thought he could be a positive force.
All I see now is someone turn an already shitty climate to the worse and being proud of it.
I‘m not sure how to unfuck the US. You could airdrop history books over it or bags of cocaine. Maybe both to speed up the reading.
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On March 06 2025 21:13 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 16:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On March 06 2025 12:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 06 2025 05:52 EnDeR_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Again, I severely doubt that anyone is going to be thinking about Palestine during the midterms. There are just too many other fires to put out. I'd imagine most candidates will be making a case on how they're going to unfuck America, not how they're going to help Palestine. That boat already sailed and those people thought that letting Trump through was a better outcome. LibHorizons: That's part of why it's absolutely critical to establish what "unfuck America" means, who can be trusted to do it, how to measure success, and how to hold people accountable for failure. We needed it weeks ago and every second we don't have it helps Trump. Without establishing that, "unfuck America" is just meaningless rhetoric to rationalize voting for/supporting the (former) status quo that gave us Trump, which seems to be what most libs/Dems/ilk here actually want. If anyone has a better start/idea/plan than me for how to "unfuck America", I'm desperate to hear it. If not (as it seems is the case), you all should be supporting the ideas I presented unless/until you come up with/find something better. I don't disagree that we need a plan. + Show Spoiler +All I am saying is that Gaza is not going to be on the ballot. There probably won't even be a Gaza by then. LibHorizons: Let's focus on the plan then? Does it have your support or do you have something better to offer? That question is for anyone that is going to have any advice for voters when voting time comes. No lib/Dem/ilk really has a sensible reason not to answer that question in a reasonable time. Not for me, for themselves.
Oh, I'm on board with the New Green Deal and Medicare for all. I'd be all for pushing forward the Bernies and the AOCs -- in US terms I'm a rabid leftist radical. I also think that it's better to pay a bit more tax and have social services that allow everyone to succeed and not only those from privileged backgrounds. It's not me you need to convince. It's your fellow Americans that thought that a dude taking a knee in the middle of a football game was one step too far.
The way I'd go about this is to try to craft a positive message around issues that benefit the majority of the country, i.e. medicare for all, and not demonise people that wanted to stop Trump ascending to the throne as genocide supporters/enablers. You are not changing anyone's mind by telling them how shit they are -- neither Trump voters, nor genocide-enabling Democrat voters.
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On March 06 2025 21:26 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 12:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump declared no taxes on tips and no taxes on OT. He lowered income tax in 2017. Long term, he needs to generate revenue from someplace.
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA. There still might be low tariffs for Canada and Mexico. Once this entire mess plays out, the USA's neighbours will have the lowest tariffed access to the US market. Corps and their chickenshit middle managers will be afraid and they will play it safe and tend to base things in the USA with branch plants in Canada and/or Mexico as needed. There also might be fine details deep within the newly negotiated USMCA that help all this along.
I had a hard time figuring Trump out on this one. This is a big win for hard working Americans. It doesn't need to go all the way into no tax on income for example. And it does work: TSMC Apple Venture Global Panama Ports Company OpenAI / stargate Pfizer (tbc) Some of these are even without implementing tariff, just Trump being Trump. US has its biggest FDI in its history https://www.ft.com/content/38c1687a-dba5-4442-a7e6-5ec0e0b0ac5bAnd these will outlast Trump's presidency. Just TSMC and Apple is almost as big as the CHIP act, and private investment without the US spending a single dime. >The U.S., which has been actively expanding its advanced semiconductor capacity, is projected to hold 22% of the global market share by 2030. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250305063041/en/U.S.-to-Hold-Over-20-of-Advanced-Semiconductor-Capacity-by-2030-TSMC-Expands-Investment-to-US165-Billion-Says-TrendForceAnd Trump top priority is to restructure the debt and balance, this is very much needed and is even more important than keeping up non-stop growth. The US needs to have more room to rise rates, and without fixing it fundamentally, it can't. You have financial companies like Nomura predicting the slowdown is intentional, to slow inflation and get FED lowering rates, buying Trump even more time. Meanwhile the EU is facing both an economic slowdown, with a necessity to fund more debt to build an army. But will Trump succeed? I am not confident, but he is attempting to fix some of the structural problem. If he succeeds, the US will be in a much better spot. And, the US doesn't need to grow faster indefinitely, it just needs to do better than the rest. And having more key investments by key firms, is NEVER bad. A lot of these policies don't surprise me, I remember couple of years ago, listening to a pod caster interviewing an advisory to US security. He was saying there's an increasing voice about China's protectionism and state led economic/technological drive, with non-stop acquisition of foreign firms etc, is a model what the US need to learn from, and how China managed to get away with COVID and fentanyl. And of course the non stop modern monetary theory just delay the eventual problem. Your thinking someone who fundamentally does not know how tariffs or trade balances work will fix the US debt.
A man who is so bad at handling money he managed to bankrupt a casino. A casino.
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On March 06 2025 21:39 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2025 21:26 ETisME wrote:On March 06 2025 12:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump declared no taxes on tips and no taxes on OT. He lowered income tax in 2017. Long term, he needs to generate revenue from someplace.
Most of that will come from tariffs on the rest of the world outside NA. There still might be low tariffs for Canada and Mexico. Once this entire mess plays out, the USA's neighbours will have the lowest tariffed access to the US market. Corps and their chickenshit middle managers will be afraid and they will play it safe and tend to base things in the USA with branch plants in Canada and/or Mexico as needed. There also might be fine details deep within the newly negotiated USMCA that help all this along.
I had a hard time figuring Trump out on this one. This is a big win for hard working Americans. It doesn't need to go all the way into no tax on income for example. And it does work: TSMC Apple Venture Global Panama Ports Company OpenAI / stargate Pfizer (tbc) Some of these are even without implementing tariff, just Trump being Trump. US has its biggest FDI in its history https://www.ft.com/content/38c1687a-dba5-4442-a7e6-5ec0e0b0ac5bAnd these will outlast Trump's presidency. Just TSMC and Apple is almost as big as the CHIP act, and private investment without the US spending a single dime. >The U.S., which has been actively expanding its advanced semiconductor capacity, is projected to hold 22% of the global market share by 2030. https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250305063041/en/U.S.-to-Hold-Over-20-of-Advanced-Semiconductor-Capacity-by-2030-TSMC-Expands-Investment-to-US165-Billion-Says-TrendForceAnd Trump top priority is to restructure the debt and balance, this is very much needed and is even more important than keeping up non-stop growth. The US needs to have more room to rise rates, and without fixing it fundamentally, it can't. You have financial companies like Nomura predicting the slowdown is intentional, to slow inflation and get FED lowering rates, buying Trump even more time. Meanwhile the EU is facing both an economic slowdown, with a necessity to fund more debt to build an army. But will Trump succeed? I am not confident, but he is attempting to fix some of the structural problem. If he succeeds, the US will be in a much better spot. And, the US doesn't need to grow faster indefinitely, it just needs to do better than the rest. And having more key investments by key firms, is NEVER bad. A lot of these policies don't surprise me, I remember couple of years ago, listening to a pod caster interviewing an advisory to US security. He was saying there's an increasing voice about China's protectionism and state led economic/technological drive, with non-stop acquisition of foreign firms etc, is a model what the US need to learn from, and how China managed to get away with COVID and fentanyl. And of course the non stop modern monetary theory just delay the eventual problem. Your thinking someone who fundamentally does not know how tariffs or trade balances work will fix the US debt. A man who is so bad at handling money he managed to bankrupt a casino. A casino.
Except it doesn't really matter if the tariff went through or not. Because the threats alone is beneficial with these mega key strategic companies are expanding in the US.
Less public funding, more private investment. More US based controllable supply chain.
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Trump sinks to the next low as his Jan 20th order begins to surface
WASHINGTON, March 6 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump's administration is planning to revoke temporary legal status for some 240,000 Ukrainians who fled the conflict with Russia, a senior Trump official and three sources familiar with the matter said, potentially putting them on a fast-track to deportation.
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In addition to the 240,000 Ukrainians fleeing the Russian invasion, and the 530,000 Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans and Venezuelans, these programs covered more than 70,000 Afghans escaping the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-plans-revoke-legal-status-ukrainians-who-fled-us-sources-say-2025-03-06/
What a piece of shit posing for a human being.
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