|
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.
Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread |
Northern Ireland26261 Posts
On March 07 2025 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Let's stick to the topic of US politics.
Sheinbaum did a better job than Trudeau in negotiating with Trump.
Congratz to Mexico.
How?
‘I’m gonna tariff you’
‘Ok well I’m not gonna tariff you back.’
‘Ok well I’m not going to tariff you now’
What is being achieved with this nonsense?
I mean it’s an earnest question I’ve not been super au fait with Mexico’s specific response here and concessions gained.
|
|
|
On March 07 2025 05:40 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Let's stick to the topic of US politics.
Sheinbaum did a better job than Trudeau in negotiating with Trump.
Congratz to Mexico. How? ‘I’m gonna tariff you’ ‘Ok well I’m not gonna tariff you back.’ ‘Ok well I’m not going to tariff you now’ What is being achieved with this nonsense? I mean it’s an earnest question I’ve not been super au fait with Mexico’s specific response here and concessions gained.
Justin got into a personal petty spat with an egomaniac. Sheinbaum avoided it. She did not retaliate.
There is a reason why Trudeau has a 20% approval rating after 9+ years in power.
|
On March 07 2025 05:20 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 05:01 Gorsameth wrote:On March 07 2025 04:41 WombaT wrote:
Why am I reading articles about a possibly impending EO to get rid of the Department of Education?
The fuck is going on? Easier to manipulate dumb people I still maintain formal education is grossly overstated in this regard over culture, although yeah there’s a link obviously. I also don’t really understand this move from a propaganda outlet/creating good little capitalist drones angle. Not my angle, I assume obviously but just to make that clear! Even if that is your goal, is having a federal, agency that you can somewhat standardise things more useful?
Republicans want everything to be privatized. That has two advantages. Firstly, you can make money doing it. No one makes any money from public schools. That is bad.
Secondly, it enshrines inequality. When poor people cannot afford an education for their children, their children also stay poor. That means the only way to become successful it to be born rich. Which is what those wannabe aristocrats love.
And their idiot followers love it, because it means they can have education without leftists or facts in it. They hated that they taught their children that the bible is the literal truth and god created the world in 7 days (not a metaphor) and that gay people are bad, and all that stuff, and then the teachers in school would teach them different things.
The second group are the ones who might think about using schools for propaganda, but they are not actually smart enough for it. And the first group just wants the maximum grift out of everything.
|
Mexico is still getting tariffs, goods not compliant with USMCA still get the 25%. So around half of Mexican imports are getting the hit.
This administration is just pushing random buttons and seeing what happens, like DOGE firing everyone then finding out they probably shouldn’t have done it and need to rehire everyone somehow. Same thing with the apparent auto industry carve outs because Stellantis’ response to the tariffs was to increase the price of a $80,000 Ram to $100,000.
Edit: lol these auto industry carve outs are only for one month lol.
|
Northern Ireland26261 Posts
On March 07 2025 05:48 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 05:20 WombaT wrote:On March 07 2025 05:01 Gorsameth wrote:On March 07 2025 04:41 WombaT wrote:
Why am I reading articles about a possibly impending EO to get rid of the Department of Education?
The fuck is going on? Easier to manipulate dumb people I still maintain formal education is grossly overstated in this regard over culture, although yeah there’s a link obviously. I also don’t really understand this move from a propaganda outlet/creating good little capitalist drones angle. Not my angle, I assume obviously but just to make that clear! Even if that is your goal, is having a federal, agency that you can somewhat standardise things more useful? Republicans want everything to be privatized. That has two advantages. Firstly, you can make money doing it. No one makes any money from public schools. That is bad. Secondly, it enshrines inequality. When poor people cannot afford an education for their children, their children also stay poor. That means the only way to become successful it to be born rich. Which is what those wannabe aristocrats love. And their idiot followers love it, because it means they can have education without leftists or facts in it. They hated that they taught their children that the bible is the literal truth and god created the world in 7 days (not a metaphor) and that gay people are bad, and all that stuff, and then the teachers in school would teach them different things. The second group are the ones who might think about using schools for propaganda, but they are not actually smart enough for it. And the first group just wants the maximum grift out of everything.
Yeah that scans 100%.
One of the articles I read had a poll, can’t comment on its methodology but assuming it’s representative of gen pop it was like 67% against the idea of just getting rid of the department. That’s about as close you get to consensus on something being a bad idea these days
|
On March 07 2025 05:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I have 2 general irl friend groups who I discuss politics stuff with. One of them was about 50% people who were already in a post-democrat mindset who held views similar to GH but with a lot less reason to believe those things. The other was entirely democrat. In both groups, all conversations are within a post-democrat future. A couple people think/hope the label democrat persists but want the entire leadership purged and replaced. But none of the people I talk about politics with have any desire for the current form of the Democratic Party to exist and they don’t intend to support the current form.
How about everyone else? How do your friend groups feel about the party? Is this just an Oregon thing? It feels like there is an unspoken but widely felt shrugging at the death of the Pelosi and Schumer party. It’s like it’s failed so thoroughly they don’t even care anymore? Hard to describe. But this is very different from when Trump won the first time. There’s a complete and total loss of faith in the party.
LibHorizons: Reddit, here, and my local Democratic party meetings have held the most diehards and they are basically all fed up with the party's response to Trump thus far. Democratic leadership is making it pretty impossible to believe in them to do much of anything.
The upside is that the party is basically admitting they are leaderless and out of ideas. It has not stopped them from repeatedly telling the "voting public" to stop harassing their politicians and expecting them to do more.
Walz appeared Wednesday on CNN to discuss President Trump’s joint address to Congress and the future of his party.
“Who do you think the leader of the Democratic Party is right now?” CNN’s Kasie Hunt asked.
Walz paused, then said he believes the leader is the voting public. www.cnn.com
Too bad we know they aren't going to follow the public when they can't even follow the lead of the politicians that are.
Divergent tactics were on full display during the Tuesday night address, with some Democrats holding signs, walking out or boycotting it altogether. Others took a more muted approach, following the guidance of House Democratic leadership, who had urged members not to mount high-profile protests and to show restraint during the address
www.cnn.com
|
On March 07 2025 05:52 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Mexico is still getting tariffs, goods not compliant with USMCA still get the 25%. So around half of Mexican imports are getting the hit.
This administration is just pushing random buttons and seeing what happens, like DOGE firing everyone then finding out they probably shouldn’t have done it and need to rehire everyone somehow. Same thing with the apparent auto industry carve outs because Stellantis’ response to the tariffs was to increase the price of a $80,000 Ram to $100,000.
Edit: lol these auto industry carve outs are only for one month lol.
lol Canada is also getting the pause on tariffs on goods compliant with USCMA
|
The best thing is reading excuses all day trying to justify why Mexico somehow pleased Trump, while Canada supposedly deserved it. Then Trump delay Canada too, yet again. Does any of these leaps in logic that suddenly 180s on a dime ever track with the Trump apologists?
Example nr 1:
On March 07 2025 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Justin got into a personal petty spat with an egomaniac. Sheinbaum avoided it. She did not retaliate.
There is a reason why Trudeau has a 20% approval rating after 9+ years in power.
|
On March 07 2025 07:02 Excludos wrote:The best thing is reading excuses all day trying to justify why Mexico somehow pleased Trump, while Canada supposedly deserved it. Then Trump delay Canada too, yet again. Does any of these leaps in logic that suddenly 180s on a dime ever track with the Trump apologists? Example nr 1: Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 05:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Justin got into a personal petty spat with an egomaniac. Sheinbaum avoided it. She did not retaliate.
There is a reason why Trudeau has a 20% approval rating after 9+ years in power.
Clearly Trump is using the boy who cried wolf strategy, which if you read the book you know works out awesome. If you don't believe me just check out the stock market Which Trump has taught me is the most important of all metrics when deciding on how the economy and president is doing. Trudeau was owned extra hard because Trump folded a whole couple of hours later than he did with Mexico.
|
LOL no you have no idea what you are talking about.
Mexico started closing fentanyl labs, our goverment previously denied their existence despise documentaries showing many of them, so we breaking records of seized fentanyl, also we sent 29 important cartel members who were in Mexican prisons extradited to the US, also we've tightened up both our northern and southern borders, we don't allow south americans to pass through Mexico as easily as before.
On the economic side Mexico has no leverage at all, US trade with Mexico is like 1% and ours is about 25%, and thats not the only thing, but remittances are even bigger they are the main source of income to Mexico, so if Trump were to stop them we would sink into the dark ages in no time but that's not in the interest of the United States either, destroying the Mexican economy only means more people trying to enter the US.
The "other trading partners" is ridiculous, we can't export to fucking China lol, its only the posture of the socialist government pretending to act strong for its voter base who is mostly the most poor and uneducated among us.
And that isn't to defend Trumps antagonistic and whimsical economic policies, he isn't even leveraging them intelligently, he could try to force Canada to remove all their tariffs on the US but no, he just calls them the 51st state pissing Canadiasn off for no good reason, he confuses negotiating through a position of power with being a bully for no reason.
|
Trump‘s not stupid. Maybe what he does even makes sense from some point of view someone thoroughly fed him while gently stroking his mane.
The problem is that all he does is piss off everyone by not allowing compromise on what he wants and thinks that wouldn‘t affect his own citizens in their day to day life.
If he keeps just using muscle and threats in his negotiations maybe they‘ll start calling out Americans as gringos in places lile Canada. Which would be pretty funny to be honest.
|
On March 04 2025 16:02 baal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2025 14:47 Husyelt wrote:On March 04 2025 14:35 baal wrote:On March 04 2025 11:58 KwarK wrote:
I’m betting Mexico because Iran can WMD. Depending on the speed of economic breakdown maybe by the end of the year.
They’ll announce some cross border operations and pretend it’s not war but instead policing of some kind. Mexico will protest but will do the Ukraine 2014 thing where you can’t actually stop the invading army and so you don’t mobilize and you don’t start openly firing missiles. Bad time to have family members in uniform. You think the US will actually invade Mexico and take land from us like Russia did to Ukraine? lmao Absolutely, it would start out as small incursions against cartels or what they claim are cartels. Mexico will have to engage at some point, and Trump will use that as an excuse to fully demilitarize much of the border. If that happens it would be an unmitigated disaster and the US would definitely lose after a few years, as turmoil and popular uprisings happen in every major city to stop the war, (and the army would definitely have major setbacks). Republicans telegraphed this even last year. So you think the US army will start blowing up civilians to force the Mexican government into declaring war so that they can annex like Sonora and Chihuahua or something? LMAO I wish I could open some polymarket style geopolitics betting market with only ppl from here, there are very unserious people in this thread, I guess if you really think Trump is the embodiment of the 4th reich these absurd scenarios don't sound as crazy to you but just think it through. If Trump were to wage an all out war against Mexico he would be immediately impeached and would for sure end up in prison, but lets go crazy and say he doesnt, ok now with 20% mexicans in the army you would see a split of insurrectionism within the army not to count the 40 million Mexicans living within the US borders that would make a 9/11 style attack every couple of days and then what, death camps for the 40 million lol. All this because they want to take a desert dryer than Arizona? and you think this is less risky than Iran because the might have WMD (they dont). Ok crazy scenarios aside, the US has already deployed troops to fight cartels before multiple times in latinamerica, and no they haven't taken any land nor killed civilians to start a war lol, so yeah if the US goes into Mexico (I hope they do), they can easily just do that, attack the cartels and defeat them with ease, they are disorganized militias and the only reason the Mexican army hasn't defeated them is because they are closely tied with the government so they don't want to, which is the main hurdle the US has always had and will continue to do so in trying to stop cartels, the government will do anything in its power to protect them, with intel, legally and politically.
To be fair, I said "would" as in, if an invasion of Mexico actually happen, this is how it would go.
And if you dont want non serious people like myself heres actual reporting (and theres been multiple over the past year of the GOP flirting with the idea) www.rollingstone.com
Trump isn't getting impeached my man over a small incursion into Mexico, the Republican politicians are spineless. If Jan 6 didnt do it, nothing will, especially with the "normies" being ousted for not being loyal to the Trump Party.
|
United States43586 Posts
On March 07 2025 13:55 Vivax wrote:
Trump‘s not stupid. Maybe what he does even makes sense from some point of view someone thoroughly fed him while gently stroking his mane.
The problem is that all he does is piss off everyone by not allowing compromise on what he wants and thinks that wouldn‘t affect his own citizens in their day to day life.
If he keeps just using muscle and threats in his negotiations maybe they‘ll start calling out Americans as gringos in places lile Canada. Which would be pretty funny to be honest.
Trump thinks a balance of trade deficit is a check that the president sends. He thinks Canada is taking advantage of the US by selling crude to be refined and into higher margin products by the US. He wants to know why the US can’t simply sell the refined oil without buying the crude. A Labrador can understand that the ball cannot be thrown if it is not first dropped. Trump struggles with that.
|
On March 07 2025 13:55 Vivax wrote:
Trump‘s not stupid.
You got any proof for that?
|
On March 07 2025 05:14 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 05:00 Mohdoo wrote:
I have 2 general irl friend groups who I discuss politics stuff with. One of them was about 50% people who were already in a post-democrat mindset who held views similar to GH but with a lot less reason to believe those things. The other was entirely democrat. In both groups, all conversations are within a post-democrat future. A couple people think/hope the label democrat persists but want the entire leadership purged and replaced. But none of the people I talk about politics with have any desire for the current form of the Democratic Party to exist and they don’t intend to support the current form.
How about everyone else? How do your friend groups feel about the party? Is this just an Oregon thing? It feels like there is an unspoken but widely felt shrugging at the death of the Pelosi and Schumer party. It’s like it’s failed so thoroughly they don’t even care anymore? Hard to describe. But this is very different from when Trump won the first time. There’s a complete and total loss of faith in the party. It's part of the broader Trump societal sickness. The cultural taboos have been so utterly destroyed that the social contract has been discredited. It doesn't make sense to engage in non violent protest or performative resistance anymore but the Democrats haven't caught up yet. The Democrats represent the older consensus where you might disagree with your neighbour on politics but you could still respect each other, you could still be friends. You'd get a turn in power and they'd get a turn in power but you'd be arguing about tax rates or whatever. Trump destroyed it. It's why we see such support for finding people like Luigi not guilty. Everyone, even those on the right, know that Trump committed his crimes. He's on tape confessing. But he appointed highly partisan judges and those highly partisan judges killed the cases. When that happens the result isn't just that he gets away with criminality, the entire idea of equality under the law is broken. The entire idea that the justice system is nonpartisan and that laws are something that we all agree upon is broken. Society relies upon people being willing to say that "I don't personally agree with X but it's the agreed upon result of a system I believe in and therefore I will accept it". So why not find Luigi not guilty, laws don't matter, justice isn't real. Why not vandalize shit belonging to Trump supporters. Why not try to remove Trump from office, it's certainly worth a shot. Democrats are a legacy of the before times. They believe it's possible to go back. It's not. They're going to say shit like "obviously it's wrong to shoot Nazis, we've all got to get along" or "let's wait for a proper internal police inquiry into why they shot another unarmed man in the back".
This was accurate and sad to read.
|
Nice to see that images of the WWII bomber Enola Gay have been flagged for deletion from government databases by the pentagon, as part of Trump's anti-DEI initiative.
|
Maxar is not allowed to sell satellite images to Ukraine anymore.
Trump now actively stops US companies from making money with actions that directly benefit Russia.
It's not there yet but it's getting close to the point where we can call it that he is a Russian asset.
|
The problem is, that Democrats always use the tactics and strategy that would have won them the last attack of Trump.
They are like a bronze league player that no-scout BOs against canonrush next game, even if it's TvT.
|
On March 07 2025 06:22 Hat Trick of Today wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2025 05:52 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Mexico is still getting tariffs, goods not compliant with USMCA still get the 25%. So around half of Mexican imports are getting the hit.
This administration is just pushing random buttons and seeing what happens, like DOGE firing everyone then finding out they probably shouldn’t have done it and need to rehire everyone somehow. Same thing with the apparent auto industry carve outs because Stellantis’ response to the tariffs was to increase the price of a $80,000 Ram to $100,000.
Edit: lol these auto industry carve outs are only for one month lol. lol Canada is also getting the pause on tariffs on goods compliant with USCMA
Sadly we allways have to wait abotu 24 hours until the right wing echo chambers got their new messaging orders delivered so JimmyJ can tell us why what Trump just did was awesome.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
