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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
"Hey, we can possibly interpret this in such a way that legally it can appear like a threat, so that is what we'll do, and therefore cause problems for the people criticizing us"? If they weren't pretending extremely loudly to be way above that kind of behaviour (going around Europe criticizing any country that would do this exact thing, and telling us how much better America is), I probably wouldn't be saying anything at all about it, but they are. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
This is nonsense. | ||
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Hat Trick of Today
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Simberto
Germany11941 Posts
On February 21 2025 19:19 KT_Elwood wrote: Again, what makes you think there are going to be elections or a united states by the "end" of his term? There will be elections. Everyone does elections. Putin does elections, china does elections, the GDR did elections, the soviet union did elections. Trump will do elections. The question is if he will do elections where he risks that he might lose. Which seems pretty unlikely. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:02 Simberto wrote: There will be elections. Everyone does elections. Putin does elections, china does elections, the GDR did elections, the soviet union did elections. Trump will do elections. The question is if he will do elections where he risks that he might lose. Which seems pretty unlikely. Elon Musk will be in charge of designing the vote counting systems, 100% | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:06 Jockmcplop wrote: Elon Musk will be in charge of designing the vote counting systems, 100% Why not just decide the next president via a Twitter vote? | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Why not just decide the next president via a Twitter vote? Cos then Musk doesn't get a billion dollar contract to make a new system! | ||
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oBlade
United States6332 Posts
On February 21 2025 19:19 KT_Elwood wrote: So this must have been a Biden admin oversight and they will be now be charged on the basis that most of them are on tape, threatening a vice president with imminent death, while trying to get hold of him as a violent mob? Right? Because otherwise..you know.. it looks like threatening people is okay ... as long as it is the right kind of people. I'm inclined to agree with you that a random person saying "Hang Mike Pence" sounds like a political statement, in a similar way "Fuck Joe Biden" isn't taken as an adult proposition. They probably would never be charged now for reasons of how a pardon works? Which is why people Biden pardoned won't be bothered to be investigated, let alone charged. Also that your interpretation of "most" probably has a partisan slant to it and it's easier to prove someone entered a building than they said a specific few words and then extrapolate from that. On February 21 2025 19:29 Jockmcplop wrote: Is it really promoting the ideal of freedom of speech if your attitude is "Hey, we can possibly interpret this in such a way that legally it can appear like a threat, so that is what we'll do, and therefore cause problems for the people criticizing us"? If they weren't pretending extremely loudly to be way above that kind of behaviour (going around Europe criticizing any country that would do this exact thing, and telling us how much better America is), I probably wouldn't be saying anything at all about it, but they are. The guy got a strongly worded letter. He'll live. And maybe he'll choose words more wisely next time in this climate. "Actual weapons? No, I didn't mean actual actual weapons, it was a metaphor." | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1164 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:02 Simberto wrote: There will be elections. Everyone does elections. Putin does elections, china does elections, the GDR did elections, the soviet union did elections. Trump will do elections. The question is if he will do elections where he risks that he might lose. Which seems pretty unlikely. Since there won't be federal workers, but trump needs to suck up all the state's tax money, the elections will be held via X. Edit: On February 21 2025 21:10 Jockmcplop wrote: Cos then Musk doesn't get a billion dollar contract to make a new system! You'd need an Twitter account with at least 500 posts to enter a ballot though, the system will still cost 500 trillion Trump-coin which by then will have replaced the US-Dollar. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:30 oBlade wrote: I'm inclined to agree with you that a random person saying "Hang Mike Pence" sounds like a political statement, in a similar way "Fuck Joe Biden" isn't taken as an adult proposition. They probably would never be charged now for reasons of how a pardon works? Which is why people Biden pardoned won't be bothered to be investigated, let alone charged. Also that your interpretation of "most" probably has a partisan slant to it and it's easier to prove someone entered a building than they said a specific few words and then extrapolate from that. The guy got a strongly worded letter. He'll live. And maybe he'll choose words more wisely next time in this climate. "Actual weapons? No, I didn't mean actual actual weapons, it was a metaphor." *A strongly worded letter from a US Attorney, containing thinly veiled legal on behalf of the US government. If that had happened in the UK Elon Musk would be tweeting America's superiority in everyone's faces and Vance would on a plane right now to come and lecture us. The hypocrisy is both obvious and odious. | ||
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oBlade
United States6332 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:33 Jockmcplop wrote: *A strongly worded letter from a US Attorney, containing thinly veiled legal threats from the US government. If that had happened in the UK Elon Musk would be tweeting America's superiority in everyone's faces and Vance would on a plane right now to come a lecture us. The hypocrisy is both obvious and odious. Your belief here is that Elon Musk would be tweeting that America is superior to the UK if a UK prosecutor had sent a letter to a Member of Parliament saying "what did you mean when you said you would use "actual weapons" to stop Elon Musk?" | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:37 oBlade wrote: Your belief here is that Elon Musk would be tweeting that America is superior to the UK if a UK prosecutor had sent a letter to a Member of Parliament saying "what did you mean when you said you would use "actual weapons" to stop Elon Musk?" Yes. He's done much worse when it comes to attacking my country. Freedom of speech, remember? This is obviously designed to stop people feeling like they can publicly criticize the US government. You can 'technically' your way around it, but that isn't a dedication to the ideal of freedom of speech is it? | ||
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oBlade
United States6332 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:39 Jockmcplop wrote: Yes. He's done much worse when it comes to attacking my country. Freedom of speech, remember? This is obviously designed to stop people feeling like they can publicly criticize the US government. You can 'technically' your way around it, but that isn't a dedication to the ideal of freedom of speech is it? I prefer to think of it as a temporary prioritization of dedication to the ideal of Congressmen not stopping Elon Musk with "actual weapons." If your theory's correct, who else got a letter? Do you believe laws against threats and incitement to violence are inherently tyranny? Would you defend David Duke's right not to be thrown out of Congress regardless of his speech? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24156 Posts
On February 21 2025 18:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Steve Bannon just gave a Nazi salute during a CPAC speech, after saying that Trump should be president during the 2028 term too. Is it more or less plausibly deniable than Musk's? My initial reaction was that it was weaker than Musk's, but without the "my heart goes out to you" cover, it feels a bit more naked even if less enthusiastic. Ezra Klein recently opened his show by pointing out he talked to a bunch of Democrats about what they would be doing if they had won control of the House, Senate, and Presidency. They all told him they didn't know. If people are going to insist on relying on Democrats, they are going to need to demand better/more of them. Democrats (ultimately capitalists generally too, but they are freebasing with Trump/Musk right now) need a Project 2026/New Deal to rally around. Obviously my version would be much further left than anything they'd come up with, but every hour they go without having this as THE "other thing to talk about" besides whatever Trump and his cronies are breaking, is unforgivable political malpractice. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5195 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9956 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:53 oBlade wrote: I prefer to think of it as a temporary prioritization of dedication to the ideal of Congressmen not stopping Elon Musk with "actual weapons." If your theory's correct, who else got a letter? Do you believe laws against threats and incitement to violence are inherently tyranny? Would you defend David Duke's right not to be thrown out of Congress regardless of his speech? I don't understand what the threat is here. Is carrying a weapon in the US a threat? Did he say he was going to use a weapon against someone? My point is you have to choose to interpret this as a threat, and the only reason you would do so is so you can shut someone up using the law. Still, Vance can keep lecturing Europeans about America's freedom of speech utopia. On February 21 2025 21:56 Uldridge wrote: It's funny how this exact interaction went the other way around a while back. "Big government is censoring my right to free (hate/violence inciting) speech!" True, true. The difference being this government in particular are placing themselves as the bastion of freedom of speech in a world dedicated to shutting them up, when the opposite is demonstrably true. | ||
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Legan
Finland581 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46243 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:56 GreenHorizons wrote: Is it more or less plausibly deniable than Musk's? My initial reaction was that it was weaker than Musk's, but without the "my heart goes out to you" cover, it feels a bit more naked even if less enthusiastic. Less enthusiastic than Musk's two Nazi salutes, definitely. Doesn't make it any less plausible imo though; they both know what they're signaling. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
Now Trump wants to fire the USPS board. Republicans want to get their grubby little hands on everything. Have you seen how much it costs to send stuff vs UPS/Fedex? Its outrageous compared to USPS. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22487 Posts
On February 21 2025 21:56 Uldridge wrote: Because it was never about free speech and was always about 'safe spaces' to say whatever they want, not what anyone else wants.It's funny how this exact interaction went the other way around a while back. "Big government is censoring my right to free (hate/violence inciting) speech!" | ||
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