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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
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Timebon3s
Norway772 Posts
On December 06 2024 05:28 WombaT wrote: I think for politicians at least, striding some middle ground between tribute and dancing on his grave is a reasonable compromise. Would you say that if Trump made the same tweet? The guy really had it coming though. I don’t go around wishing people dead, but fuckin’ hell bro | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 06 2024 05:42 Timebon3s wrote: Would you say that if Trump made the same tweet? The guy really had it coming though. I don’t go around wishing people dead, but fuckin’ hell bro As Gorsameth said, and what I meant to say as a position from my previous post, if I haven’t made it clear was just don’t mention it. A certain segment will find cheerleading a third party execution as thoroughly distasteful. Another segment will find eulogising someone who oversaw a systemic denial of health coverage that lead to deaths as thoroughly distasteful. I personally find ‘speak no ill of the dead’ to be a ridiculous maxim but hey, it’s a cultural maxim in many places and people react badly when it’s transgressed. Equally people react badly to someone being eulogised who directly contributed to people dying unnecessarily to fill some pockets. You can’t please both by saying anything on the topic, so don’t. Was all I was advocating. I don’t like Trump, he appeals to different sensibilities than mine, I think he’s a profoundly deficient man in multiple areas, but he has a great intuitive grasp of people’s sensibilities amongst his base. Trump, unlike many Democrats wouldn’t make this kind of errror. For all his faults (many) he’s clued in to what his base want in terms of messaging. Many Democrats don’t have it. Either they’re so detached they don’t know, or alternatively they know but they don’t give a shit. I’m struggling to think of a hypothetical where this comes up on Trump’s side off the top of my head. But whatever that is, Trump isn’t wading in with takes that a big segment of his base fucking hates. Democrats have no such compunction, they’ll eulogise a bloke who literally threw people to their death to make a bit more money and then act confused when people don’t like that | ||
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ETisME
12908 Posts
On December 06 2024 05:07 Mohdoo wrote: Absolutely seething after reading Tim Walz statement about the waste of carbon being put to better use as soil. Can you please read the room you god damn idiot. A brief moment when the illusion of invincibility of the rich is broken, a consolation prize for any leftist feeling hopeless about our future. No one knew this CEO's name before he was shot. He was not a cultural icon. He wasn't some kinda famous singer or actor who had a connection with the culture of our country. He was a complete nobody on the national stage and oversaw the process of extracting value from medical care at the cost of American lives. His company went above and beyond to be extra inhumane even when compared to their competitors. He made conscious decisions to push for even more people to die for the sake of profit and he succeeded. For me, this is such a gloom and doom moment seeing Tim Walz boot lick to such an extreme. It is extremely conclusive proof how bought and paid for he is. This is a golden example of a corporate controlled politician. There's nothing more extremist than your post screaming about how inappropriate a politician sending grief of a broad daylight assassination, calling it a "consolation prize". On a global scale, US is far from being worse than the average. Some of you need to live a year in China or India and work at factory floor, then you can actually get some perspective and set the right idea of what hopeless can feel like. Missing fingers, hundreds applying for one job, working 12 hours shift with no annual leave other than one every 4 years, and if you ever bought a house, good luck making sure it's actually build right, and if you want to build a house, good luck finishing it because construction companies go bankrupted non stop. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 06 2024 08:54 ETisME wrote: There's nothing more extremist than your post screaming about how inappropriate a politician sending grief of a broad daylight assassination, calling it a "consolation prize". On a global scale, US is far from being worse than the average. Some of you need to live a year in China or India and work at factory floor, then you can actually get some perspective and set the right idea of what hopeless can feel like. Missing fingers, hundreds applying for one job, working 12 hours shift with no annual leave other than one every 4 years, and if you ever bought a house, good luck making sure it's actually build right, and if you want to build a house, good luck finishing it because construction companies go bankrupted non stop. You could just compare the US to EU countries or Anzac nations, how about that? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
But hey that’s just me. You seem to think Bitcoin is a sensible venture so what would I know? | ||
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ETisME
12908 Posts
On December 06 2024 09:01 WombaT wrote: Also you seem to love to suck off free market capitalism at every juncture but yet not connect that to working conditions in nations you mentioned. But hey that’s just me. You seem to think Bitcoin is a sensible venture so what would I know? If someone is in the US, and feeling hopeless (due to financial reasons) to the point that he sees broad daylight assassination of wealthy is a consolation prize, then he or that leftists group really gotta rethink their perspective in life. Or are you saying there should be a group of potential murders who would jump onto the wealthy right now? Just because you don't understand the value of bitcoin doesn't mean I am wrong. The US bitcoin strategic reserve gets bipartisan support? Not only the price of Bitcoin is proving you wrong, it's the literal adoption from corps and nations that's proving you wrong. China and India are far from Free market capitalism. The property crisis IS the perfect example. But you did ask a good question, what do you know? | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 06 2024 05:07 Mohdoo wrote: Absolutely seething after reading Tim Walz statement about the waste of carbon being put to better use as soil. https://twitter.com/GovTimWalz/status/1864326551661154556 Can you please read the room you god damn idiot. A brief moment when the illusion of invincibility of the rich is broken, a consolation prize for any leftist feeling hopeless about our future. No one knew this CEO's name before he was shot. He was not a cultural icon. He wasn't some kinda famous singer or actor who had a connection with the culture of our country. He was a complete nobody on the national stage and oversaw the process of extracting value from medical care at the cost of American lives. His company went above and beyond to be extra inhumane even when compared to their competitors. He made conscious decisions to push for even more people to die for the sake of profit and he succeeded. For me, this is such a gloom and doom moment seeing Tim Walz boot lick to such an extreme. It is extremely conclusive proof how bought and paid for he is. This is a golden example of a corporate controlled politician. "Read the room" is something someone would say when they mistake their trash social media feed with the pulse of America. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On December 06 2024 05:07 Mohdoo wrote: the waste of carbon being put to better use as soil. Great line, Im going to keep that for future use, take that for whatever consolation it is in spite of seeing people who seemed cool be too nice to scumbags | ||
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Razyda
1088 Posts
Must also say that I am glad that people often in favour of censorship of hate speech and inciting violence seem to be coming to my side of this argument ("Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you."  )On December 06 2024 08:36 WombaT wrote: Democrats have no such compunction, they’ll eulogise a bloke who literally threw people to their death to make a bit more money and then act confused when people don’t like that Bolded - do you have some source for that? I heard dude had kids, imagine scenario when one of them was a fan of a certain old video game, or someone screenshotted this and made it viral, or any other scenario where your great grand, grand, grand kids still pay damages. (while highly unlikely, there is still non zero chance of that happening) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 06 2024 09:39 Razyda wrote: My personal opinion aside, I must say I am very impressed by full on support of vigilantism, my left leaning friends express here. One dude feels he was wronged, so he offed another dude, what's wrong with that? Kind of wonder if Trump feel as he was being wronged by some. Must also say that I am glad that people often in favour of censorship of hate speech and inciting violence seem to be coming to my side of this argument ("Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you." )Bolded - do you have some source for that? I heard dude had kids, imagine scenario when one of them was a fan of a certain old video game, or someone screenshotted this and made it viral, or any other scenario where your great grand, grand, grand kids still pay damages. (while highly unlikely, there is still non zero chance of that happening) Oh apologies for my impropriety I’m sure the person running a for-profit healthcare insurance company had no influence whatsoever on people dying based on what coverage they had. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 06 2024 09:16 Zambrah wrote: Great line, Im going to keep that for future use, take that for whatever consolation it is in spite of seeing people who seemed cool be too nice to scumbags lol honestly i felt so good about thinking of it myself. appreciate it broheim | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On December 06 2024 08:54 ETisME wrote: There's nothing more extremist than your post screaming about how inappropriate a politician sending grief of a broad daylight assassination, calling it a "consolation prize". On a global scale, US is far from being worse than the average. Some of you need to live a year in China or India and work at factory floor, then you can actually get some perspective and set the right idea of what hopeless can feel like. Missing fingers, hundreds applying for one job, working 12 hours shift with no annual leave other than one every 4 years, and if you ever bought a house, good luck making sure it's actually build right, and if you want to build a house, good luck finishing it because construction companies go bankrupted non stop. The goal of a human should be to do the best they can do. The horrors and suffering determined by others should never influence the extent to which we hold ourselves morally accountable. American insurance companies prioritizing human life more than Indian factories does not mean American insurance companies are operating ethically. While we have many examples in history of things like burning rivers and the ford pinto, those examples are much easier for people to grasp as tangible moral failings of a corporation. Insurance skewed way too far towards profit and away from human life is much more muddy and gray. It is more difficult to hold in your hand and point to, but it is still a dynamic that can be studied and known in concrete terms. The moral failings by insurance companies are both extreme and needless. It is fair to point out an insurance company does not exist without profit, but where that slide bar between "human life" and "profit" is placed is not magic. It is calculated and and decided on. That slide bar is in a really bad spot right now relative to the moral capability of the humans making those decisions. That blood is on their hands and ethics operates entirely separate from laws. Just to stave off any bad faith "but what laws" argument, please remember slavery was not ethical while it was legal. It was always unethical and humans realized that and fought against slavery because they were thinking and feeling humans. So too are the CEOs of these companies. They are not ignorant here. They know. They understand the decisions they are making. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 06 2024 09:14 ETisME wrote: If someone is in the US, and feeling hopeless (due to financial reasons) to the point that he sees broad daylight assassination of wealthy is a consolation prize, then he or that leftists group really gotta rethink their perspective in life. Or are you saying there should be a group of potential murders who would jump onto the wealthy right now? Just because you don't understand the value of bitcoin doesn't mean I am wrong. The US bitcoin strategic reserve gets bipartisan support? Not only the price of Bitcoin is proving you wrong, it's the literal adoption from corps and nations that's proving you wrong. China and India are far from Free market capitalism. The property crisis IS the perfect example. But you did ask a good question, what do you know? What value of BitCoin? It’s a speculative investment vehicle that is too volatile to be even a pseudo-currency. It’s never come close to fulfilling its theoretical potential and it’s not cos of people like me, who was actually initially enthused by potential applications. Crypto enthusiasts just have to get over this, happens to every bloody coin going Ultimately if your job is making money off insurance, and finding ways to even deny coverage to those that actually pay insurance to extract a little more juice, well people have died because of that and fuck you, fuck you with bells on. No sympathy whatsoever if someone sent you a complaint letter wrapped around a bullet. And fuck all you free market zealots who think it’s more objectionable to make that point and not shed crocodile tears over some CEO cunt than acknowledge the whole many, many people dying due to this grotesque practice. Absolute errant fucking nonsense | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
I don’t cheer this shooting because it’s a systemic problem, the hydra will just sprout another head but the system itself is abominable | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10026 Posts
However, it might be worth pointing out that there have been 78 school shootings (source: https://edition.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html) in America this year and not one of them has even made this thread. In that context, its hard to get riled up about this guy getting shot. Its just America being America. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
https://qz.com/unitedhealthcare-denied-claim-1851714818 | ||
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ETisME
12908 Posts
On December 06 2024 10:29 WombaT wrote: What value of BitCoin? It’s a speculative investment vehicle that is too volatile to be even a pseudo-currency. It’s never come close to fulfilling its theoretical potential and it’s not cos of people like me, who was actually initially enthused by potential applications. Crypto enthusiasts just have to get over this, happens to every bloody coin going Ultimately if your job is making money off insurance, and finding ways to even deny coverage to those that actually pay insurance to extract a little more juice, well people have died because of that and fuck you, fuck you with bells on. No sympathy whatsoever if someone sent you a complaint letter wrapped around a bullet. And fuck all you free market zealots who think it’s more objectionable to make that point and not shed crocodile tears over some CEO cunt than acknowledge the whole many, many people dying due to this grotesque practice. Absolute errant fucking nonsense We can talk about bitcoin in another thread, but no, ironically the constant nonstop babbling about speculative investment vehicle is ironic. CURRENCY market itself is THE speculative market, it's traded 24/7 with massive leverage ratios. Bitcoin has also been less volatile than many fiat that have literally died. The concept that money needs to be issued by the government literally makes 0 sense when historically it hasn't been. >No sympathy whatsoever if someone sent you a complaint letter wrapped around a bullet. >acknowledge the whole many, many people dying due to this grotesque practice There's a big jump between having no sympathy to seeing this as a consolation prize for "hopeless leftists". Not to mention they aren't mutually exclusive. And I am not sure why you think I am a free market zealot. Do you actually know what that term is? If I was I wouldn't be criticizing Germany for their utter incompetent in self reliance for years, or supportive of Trump's protectionism policy. At least get something right instead of insulting me for something I am not. Eeesh | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46705 Posts
On December 06 2024 10:36 Jockmcplop wrote: I'm not going to sit here and celebrate a killing that does absolutely nothing to solve anyone's problems. However, it might be worth pointing out that there have been 78 school shootings (source: https://edition.cnn.com/us/school-shootings-fast-facts-dg/index.html ) in America this year and not one of them has even made this thread. In that context, its hard to get riled up about this guy getting shot. Its just America being America. We're on track for a new personal best - just a few more school shootings and we'll beat 2022 and 2023! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 06 2024 10:51 ETisME wrote: We can talk about bitcoin in another thread, but no, ironically the constant nonstop babbling about speculative investment vehicle is ironic. CURRENCY market itself is THE speculative market, it's traded 24/7 with massive leverage ratios. Bitcoin has also been less volatile than many fiat that has died off. The concept that money needs to be issued by the government, literally makes 0 sense when historically it hasn't been. >No sympathy whatsoever if someone sent you a complaint letter wrapped around a bullet. >acknowledge the whole many, many people dying due to this grotesque practice There's a big jump between having no sympathy to seeing this as a consolation prize for "hopeless leftists". Not to mention they aren't mutually exclusive. And I am not sure why you think I am a free market zealot. If I was I wouldn't be criticizing Germany for their utter incompetent in self reliance for years, or Trump's protectionism policy. Less volatile than the dollar, the Euro and how many other fiat currencies? Critiques of the big fiat currencies and government intervention within aren’t entirely without legitimate recourse, but holy fuck crypto has not fixed anything in that space whatsoever, not even close. It’s been well over a decade now and crypto has actually become more of a speculative investment vehicle than a stable, tradable currency, not less. I never said you were a free market zealot, I just referred to free market zealots. As I said in the post above this, I think this cunt being shot is largely meaningless as he’ll just be replaced by another cunt, it’s a systemic problem rather than something created by uniquely evil individuals. Anyway hopefully his family do OK with the pension provisions daddy earned while instituting policies that lead to people dying, hope that makes em happy | ||
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