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GreenHorizons
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On October 22 2022 06:39 WombaT wrote: Much obliged my good man. Still my cakeday for another 2 hours in my time zone! The history I do somewhere understand as regrettable but explicable colonialism as usual. There doesn’t always have to be a pragmatic gain, national pride, or sentiment comes into play. What I don’t get about Haiti currently is, the US doesn’t seem to have either interest. The world economy isn’t what it used to be so what assets Haiti had, that used to be a big prize no longer are. And unlike other colonies the world over, the US never really established a sufficient presence in terms of Americans out there to have that ‘protecting our own’ angle either In a crude sense and skipping through hundreds of years, Northern Ireland has ballpark 50% of people who consider themselves citizens of the British state, so that state has an interest. Iraq has oil, so despite no links between the peoples that’s always nice. Haiti though? That seems, dumb, as opposed to a lot of colonialism which is morally abhorrent but pragmatically intelligent, it one has a certain view of the world. Overly long post about a country I don’t know a huge amount about, there may be something I’m missing but I don’t get why US is propping up this government. Would like to learn more if you can direct me, but my crude understanding of colonialism is 1. I can exploit this place for resources. 2. I’ve done number 1, and even better installed my nation’s citizens to be a sizeable diaspora, so I have an excuse to intervene down the line. 3. And mostly unique to American colonialism is the protection of corporate assets and the active interference in anything resembling socialism within a wide sphere of influence. How does Haiti fit into all of these things? To me they don’t have enough in the first 2 categories to merit the current approach, and to my knowledge they’re not on the verge of turning into some socialist enclave to merit a response via the third category As I said I’d be interested to learn more, and there must be something I’m missing here The white supremacist/paternalistic aspects of (neo)colonialism and racial capitalism would be a big part of what it seems is missing from your analysis imo. One way this manifests is in propaganda about democracy, law and order, humanitarian interests, etc. For a better understanding of racial capitalism and its role I'd look to Black Marxism from Cedric Robinson and/or Robin D.G. Kelley for audio/video (he's got books too) introduction to the ideas. From there you're going to want to familiarize yourself with the "Core Group" and "MINUSTAH" (This is a brief summation/perspective that overlaps with mine of what is happening in Haiti that is better understood with at least a passing familiarity with the structure/history of racial capitalism [article is from last year]) | ||
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gobbledydook
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On October 22 2022 11:03 JimmiC wrote: So whats the solution now? Leave the armed groups to rule? These are not "freedom fighters", if you read the articles it is Haitian refugees and Haitian groups asking for Canadian peacekeepers and support. No one is disputing awful things happened and that the US was the major player in that horribleness. But leaving now is not the answer either. "The west" has done a real shitty job at setting up functional democracies almost everywhere so there is not and an easy answer, but at the same time they are also not the current "bad guy" either. It is a big mess with a shit ton more grey than black and white. If it's going to be a shithole anyway, why not just leave them be? User was warned for this post | ||
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Taelshin
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Joking aside it's a sad state of affairs in Haiti. No idea on the solution, GH makes some good points. | ||
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Fox praising Truss and how it lines up perfectly with GOP policy: | ||
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On October 23 2022 16:26 Slydie wrote: I just came across this video from 4 weeks ago. Absolutely hilarious! Fox praising Truss and how it lines up perfectly with GOP policy: https://youtu.be/ap5W_vaMvYw That... has not aged well, lol. | ||
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Sermokala
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On October 23 2022 23:19 EnDeR_ wrote: It still baffles me that conservatives hold on so tightly to trickle-down economics. It has never worked, all it does is increase inequality... It makes rich people richer. The rich people give them money to make them richer. | ||
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On October 23 2022 23:19 EnDeR_ wrote: It still baffles me that conservatives hold on so tightly to trickle-down economics. It has never worked, all it does is increase inequality... It shouldn't baffle you once you realize who pays them. (The conservative politicians and the conservative media that pushes that narrative, that is. Obviously not every conservative is getting paid) | ||
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WombaT
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On October 23 2022 16:26 Slydie wrote: I just came across this video from 4 weeks ago. Absolutely hilarious! Fox praising Truss and how it lines up perfectly with GOP policy: https://youtu.be/ap5W_vaMvYw Absolutely sensational, oh dear lord | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On October 23 2022 23:19 EnDeR_ wrote: It still baffles me that conservatives hold on so tightly to trickle-down economics. It has never worked, all it does is increase inequality... This is a feature, not a bug of capitalism. They're just advocating capitalism. | ||
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