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On October 13 2022 07:59 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah GH doesn't care about Us politics and can't be happy about anything happening unless things get much much worse for everyone first. Hes not a troll he's just not having the same conversation that you are having. He doesn't want for anything because he doesn't think anything is actually possible to get better. Just imagine he's from another country and it makes a lot more sense.
It'd be a lot more interesting and useful to engage with my actual posts/positions instead of fabricating strawmen to frivolously knock down simply because I don't hop on the bootlicking bandwagon.
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On October 13 2022 08:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2022 07:59 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah GH doesn't care about Us politics and can't be happy about anything happening unless things get much much worse for everyone first. Hes not a troll he's just not having the same conversation that you are having. He doesn't want for anything because he doesn't think anything is actually possible to get better. Just imagine he's from another country and it makes a lot more sense. It'd be a lot more interesting and useful to engage with my actual posts/positions instead of fabricating strawmen to frivolously knock down simply because I don't hop on the bootlicking bandwagon.
It'd be a lot more interesting and useful to engage with your actual posts/positions instead of fabricating strawmen to frivolously knock down if you ever had more than one note you keep playing.
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On October 13 2022 09:15 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2022 08:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 13 2022 07:59 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah GH doesn't care about Us politics and can't be happy about anything happening unless things get much much worse for everyone first. Hes not a troll he's just not having the same conversation that you are having. He doesn't want for anything because he doesn't think anything is actually possible to get better. Just imagine he's from another country and it makes a lot more sense. It'd be a lot more interesting and useful to engage with my actual posts/positions instead of fabricating strawmen to frivolously knock down simply because I don't hop on the bootlicking bandwagon. It'd be a lot more interesting and useful to engage with your actual posts/positions instead of fabricating strawmen to frivolously knock down if you ever had more than one note you keep playing.
Probably best if I just thank you for the acknowledgment of your actions and call it day.
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On October 13 2022 09:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2022 09:15 Sermokala wrote:On October 13 2022 08:22 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 13 2022 07:59 Sermokala wrote:
Yeah GH doesn't care about Us politics and can't be happy about anything happening unless things get much much worse for everyone first. Hes not a troll he's just not having the same conversation that you are having. He doesn't want for anything because he doesn't think anything is actually possible to get better. Just imagine he's from another country and it makes a lot more sense. It'd be a lot more interesting and useful to engage with my actual posts/positions instead of fabricating strawmen to frivolously knock down simply because I don't hop on the bootlicking bandwagon. It'd be a lot more interesting and useful to engage with your actual posts/positions instead of fabricating strawmen to frivolously knock down if you ever had more than one note you keep playing. Probably best if I just thank you for the acknowledgment of your actions and call it day.
Same
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Haiti has more mass protests against foreign/US intervention/invasion and to pressure the unelected US backed PM who was linked to the assassination of the previous PM to step down.
So far the US says troops are "premature" but they will be increasing police funding for crackdowns and continue to support the unelected PM that is connected to the assassination of his predecessor.
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www.wgbh.org
An update to Dasantis human trafficking story a texas sheriff has determined that all 50 were victims of a crime and are now eligible for a fast track to getting a green card and citizenship. This is a special visa to ensure that the victims of a crime are able to stay in the country and testify in court when the time comes.
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Based progressive Desantis helping immigrants receive citizenship like a true American patriot  I'm happy to see the sheriff of Bexar county doing the right thing here.
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Curious how long before he's put on leave or something.
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I was going to say hes an elected official but that doesn't matter to republicans apparently looking at Florida.
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On October 14 2022 12:34 Sermokala wrote:www.wgbh.orgAn update to Dasantis human trafficking story a texas sheriff has determined that all 50 were victims of a crime and are now eligible for a fast track to getting a green card and citizenship. This is a special visa to ensure that the victims of a crime are able to stay in the country and testify in court when the time comes.
Owning the libs by *checks notes* fast-tracking migrants to citizenship.
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Calm before the election shitstorm.
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On October 21 2022 22:57 WombaT wrote:Will Steve Bannon end up in jail?Thread’s quite quiet lately, I’m assuming that most political problems in America are solved and everything is most harmonious aye?
He got 4 months.
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Early voting in Georgia is breaking midterm records for the state and is currently on pace with the 2020 election.
https://sos.ga.gov/news/early-voting-continues-breaking-records-par-presidential-level-turnout
Honestly that's quite surprising to me. Turnout is usually terrible in the midterms. Traditionally, high turnout and early voting are both good signs for the Democrats but the results of our last few elections have proven to be anything but traditional. Still, I'm hopeful the Dems will overperform in the midterms. I think lots of unlikely voters will come out to vote for issues like abortion.
If you want to check out the demographics of who has voted so far, take a look here:
https://www.georgiavotes.com/
More women voting is, in my opinion, a good sign for the left and could be critical in getting Warnock re-elected.
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On October 14 2022 04:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Haiti has more mass protests against foreign/US intervention/invasion and to pressure the unelected US backed PM who was linked to the assassination of the previous PM to step down. https://twitter.com/BTnewsroom/status/1580259986852446208So far the US says troops are "premature" but they will be increasing police funding for crackdowns and continue to support the unelected PM that is connected to the assassination of his predecessor.
Why is US getting involved with Haiti? Trying to get US friendly people in charge for expanding markets/culture?
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On October 22 2022 02:32 Ryzel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2022 04:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Haiti has more mass protests against foreign/US intervention/invasion and to pressure the unelected US backed PM who was linked to the assassination of the previous PM to step down. https://twitter.com/BTnewsroom/status/1580259986852446208So far the US says troops are "premature" but they will be increasing police funding for crackdowns and continue to support the unelected PM that is connected to the assassination of his predecessor. Why is US getting involved with Haiti? Trying to get US friendly people in charge for expanding markets/culture?
The US isn't "getting involved" it's been involved basically as long as the US has existed. The Haitian Revolution is credited as a significant precipitating event to the "Louisiana Purchase" yet the US also refused to acknowledge Haiti's status as a sovereign, independent nation until 40 years after they had defeated their colonial masters.
Thomas Jefferson's foreign policy was to not support the Haitian Revolution for fear it would lead to slaves in the US rising up as well. The South perpetuated this belief and insisted the US not recognize Haiti and the US didn't until the South seceded.
Jumping ahead a bit you get the US invasion and occupation of Haiti where the National City Bank of New York convinced the President of the US to invade to establish control:
The United States of America occupation of Haiti began on July 28, 1915 when 330 United States Marines landed at Port-au-Prince, Haiti after the National City Bank of New York convinced the President of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, to establish control of Haiti's political and financial interests.
...a minister of public education, Dantès Bellegarde raised issues with the events in his book... He accused President Wilson of writing the new Haitian Constitution to benefit the Americans, and wrote that Wilson's main purpose was to remove the previous Haitian clause that stated foreigners could not own land in the country. The original clause was designed to protect Haiti's independence from foreign powers.[81] With the clause removed, Americans (including whites and other foreigners) could now own land.
en.wikipedia.org
During the occupation the US was committing countless crimes against humanity including but not limited to; executions/killings, possibly the first air dropped bombings of civilians, forced labor, censorship, concentration camps, racial segregation, religious persecution of Haitian Vodou practitioners, and torture.
So why is the "US getting involved with"/considering invading and occupying Haiti again? Why has/is the US backing an unelected leader tied to the assassination of his predecessor? In short, racial capitalism/neocolonialism.
EDIT: Also, happy belated cakeday to @Wombat
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On October 22 2022 03:29 plasmidghost wrote:
Haven't posted here in a while, but it really looks like the next two years for the US will get worse. I don't see how the Dems come close to keeping the House. It really feels like GOP state governments will get to keep running rampant on their residents. God damn, is there potentially anything hopeful in the political sphere in the US right now?
Trump has been sucking in a lot of money and hasn't been paying it out. The GOP is pretty empty of cash due to them hiring a guy charged with embezzlement previously to handle their cash. Trump truly has so many lawsuits going forward and the supreme court has had no energy to get involved. Texas continues its purple shift, Covid-19 is now reaping disproportionately the demographic that votes republican. Georgia is recording 2020 levels of turnout in early voting.
Tricle-down economics has been rejected in the UK by all parties in the most complete way possible. its not US directly but its in our sphere and our bankers are heavily involved with it. They won't tolerate it being pulled in the us again hopefully.
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On October 22 2022 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2022 02:32 Ryzel wrote:On October 14 2022 04:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Haiti has more mass protests against foreign/US intervention/invasion and to pressure the unelected US backed PM who was linked to the assassination of the previous PM to step down. https://twitter.com/BTnewsroom/status/1580259986852446208So far the US says troops are "premature" but they will be increasing police funding for crackdowns and continue to support the unelected PM that is connected to the assassination of his predecessor. Why is US getting involved with Haiti? Trying to get US friendly people in charge for expanding markets/culture? The US isn't "getting involved" it's been involved basically as long as the US has existed. The Haitian Revolution is credited as a significant precipitating event to the "Louisiana Purchase" yet the US also refused to acknowledge Haiti's status as a sovereign, independent nation until 40 years after they had defeated their colonial masters. Thomas Jefferson's foreign policy was to not support the Haitian Revolution for fear it would lead to slaves in the US rising up as well. The South perpetuated this belief and insisted the US not recognize Haiti and the US didn't until the South seceded. Jumping ahead a bit you get the US invasion and occupation of Haiti where the National City Bank of New York convinced the President of the US to invade to establish control: Show nested quote +The United States of America occupation of Haiti began on July 28, 1915 when 330 United States Marines landed at Port-au-Prince, Haiti after the National City Bank of New York convinced the President of the United States, Woodrow Wilson, to establish control of Haiti's political and financial interests.
...a minister of public education, Dantès Bellegarde raised issues with the events in his book... He accused President Wilson of writing the new Haitian Constitution to benefit the Americans, and wrote that Wilson's main purpose was to remove the previous Haitian clause that stated foreigners could not own land in the country. The original clause was designed to protect Haiti's independence from foreign powers.[81] With the clause removed, Americans (including whites and other foreigners) could now own land. en.wikipedia.orgDuring the occupation the US was committing countless crimes against humanity including but not limited to; executions/killings, possibly the first air dropped bombings of civilians, forced labor, censorship, concentration camps, racial segregation, religious persecution of Haitian Vodou practitioners, and torture. So why is the "US getting involved with"/considering invading and occupying Haiti again? Why has/is the US backing an unelected leader tied to the assassination of his predecessor? In short, racial capitalism/neocolonialism. EDIT: Also, happy belated cakeday to @Wombat
Much obliged my good man. Still my cakeday for another 2 hours in my time zone!
The history I do somewhere understand as regrettable but explicable colonialism as usual. There doesn’t always have to be a pragmatic gain, national pride, or sentiment comes into play.
What I don’t get about Haiti currently is, the US doesn’t seem to have either interest. The world economy isn’t what it used to be so what assets Haiti had, that used to be a big prize no longer are.
And unlike other colonies the world over, the US never really established a sufficient presence in terms of Americans out there to have that ‘protecting our own’ angle either
In a crude sense and skipping through hundreds of years, Northern Ireland has ballpark 50% of people who consider themselves citizens of the British state, so that state has an interest.
Iraq has oil, so despite no links between the peoples that’s always nice.
Haiti though? That seems, dumb, as opposed to a lot of colonialism which is morally abhorrent but pragmatically intelligent, it one has a certain view of the world.
Overly long post about a country I don’t know a huge amount about, there may be something I’m missing but I don’t get why US is propping up this government.
Would like to learn more if you can direct me, but my crude understanding of colonialism is
1. I can exploit this place for resources.
2. I’ve done number 1, and even better installed my nation’s citizens to be a sizeable diaspora, so I have an excuse to intervene down the line.
3. And mostly unique to American colonialism is the protection of corporate assets and the active interference in anything resembling socialism within a wide sphere of influence.
How does Haiti fit into all of these things? To me they don’t have enough in the first 2 categories to merit the current approach, and to my knowledge they’re not on the verge of turning into some socialist enclave to merit a response via the third category
As I said I’d be interested to learn more, and there must be something I’m missing here
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