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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On July 10 2022 13:34 Gahlo wrote: How long do you think it will take until this gets abused by cops to force people they pull over to identify when they get within 8 feet? Not sure what you mean. The first thing police do is ask for ID when they pull someone over | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45316 Posts
On July 10 2022 19:10 BlackJack wrote: Not sure what you mean. The first thing police do is ask for ID when they pull someone over So does this technically mean that people who are pulled over by cops can't record the cops while having conversations with those cops (since those conversations will pretty much require the cops to be by the car, within a few feet)? Only being able to record a traffic stop when the cop isn't around seems to kind of defeat the purpose, since the exchange between law enforcement and driver is what usually matters, right? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
On July 10 2022 19:10 BlackJack wrote: Not sure what you mean. The first thing police do is ask for ID when they pull someone over Yes, but unless you've actually done something wrong, you aren't required to identify yourself. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26297 Posts
On July 10 2022 16:29 Jockmcplop wrote: You guys are lucky in this regard! (freedom to audit police) Look what happens when you try to audit the cops in the UK: https://www.itv.com/news/central/2022-01-26/woman-strip-searched-by-dehumanising-police-was-frozen-with-fear I still on balance would prefer to be strip searched than shot, but yes there’s plenty bad happening in the U.K. on restricting right to protest and covering police officers from legitimate scrutiny that we can’t exactly lord it over the Yanks (for once). How does this law work as it pertains to dash cams that are more common than ever for insurance/security reasons? ‘Sorry sir/ma’am you recorded me in the 5 seconds I approached your vehicle before you turned it off. Going to have to take you in?’ I’m generally not a fan of ‘If you’ve got nothing to hide…’ arguments as they pertain to personal liberties, but I think they’re reasonable when it comes to scrutiny on ostensible public servants who have the right to wield violence. For folks who insist it’s only a few bad apples and allegations of how widespread police malfeasance is is grossly overblown, they sure seem hellbent on restricting methods that would actually prove their case. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26297 Posts
On July 10 2022 16:53 Taelshin wrote: @Moodhoo "Compare the senators from Oregon to the senators from West Virginia. Anyone have any theories why these 2 groups of 2 are so different politically? Here’s my theory: the voters in each of those states have significantly different average views. Those average views and politics determine who gets elected. It is not that we can just decide to have a bunch of socialist senators before we have socialist voters" Great post I feel like this is an example everyone on the forum could get some value from. Maybe Manchin is someone's example of a DINO but try to elect a non DINO in WV and your gonna end up with at best a RHINO lol. Not everywhere is NY or Cali and not everywhere is Texas or WV. Shouldn't stop people from pushing their candidates in these area's though aka id never say don't push a progressive in X area because it'll harm a Neolib's chances or vise versa id be all for support a populist in X neocon area even if it hurt the neocon's chances. Take shots where YOU feel its justified for sure. Broadly speaking I’d largely agree with that. Where I think the issue lies is, when in situ, play some kind of ball with the party you’re supposed to be a part of. It can be a fine line to tread between representing the interests of your constituents and toeing party lines where necessary. Manchin doesn’t appear to even try to find where that line is, and the party don’t appear to be able to crack the whip to get him to play some kind of ball. Manchin may have the characteristics necessary to win WV, I think it’s a pretty reasonable assumption that a more conservative candidate is needed to get that seat. But what are you actually getting as a party from having that one extra blue seat not a red one? Given you could get the GOP to write their perfect fantasy bill, have a Dem introduce it and then have the GOP vote nay unanimously, ok Manchin is probably an improvement. Sinema is, IMO considerably worse as she got her seat running as someone with progressive positions in quite a few areas and then went ‘fuck you’ once seated. At least Manchin is a known quantity as quite conservative, from a quite conservative state. | ||
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Husyelt
United States837 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On July 11 2022 01:43 Husyelt wrote: gigachad Pete goes on Fox again with composure and probably reaches some in the audience twitter.com I could be cynical, that he's trying to gear up for another presidential run, so he wants to make sure he's making some good appearances. But also, fuck he's right. He kept control of the conversation from being deflected before he could make his point. And he was spot-on. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45316 Posts
On July 11 2022 01:43 Husyelt wrote: gigachad Pete goes on Fox again with composure and probably reaches some in the audience twitter.com I think that's the kind of composed, precise, thoughtful steamrolling that Democrats need to be able to do, especially when countering stupid, provocative questions. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28747 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26297 Posts
On July 11 2022 02:28 Liquid`Drone wrote: Yep, that's exactly the type of appearance we need more of. That was a solid segment and reminded me of a half-written prior reply to you re Buttigieg that I forgot to send. There is very much an appearance of competence there, albeit across a very narrow skillset. This isn’t a dig at that politician in particular, more a general observation. How does that translate into the nuts and bolts of running a department, in getting deals in the corridors of power done etc? That’s harder to gauge, especially with newer faces who don’t have long track records we can look at. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
Now lets see him actually do something to the airline companies screwing people over by fining them as Bernie suggested and I'll be impressed. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On July 10 2022 06:47 Erasme wrote: Need to get rid of corporate lobbying. It's just plain garbage and destructive. Once our politicians are working for the people instead of for the corporations, we can have real progress. Absolutely, this and term limits are needed immediately. Thats why it's never going to happen unfortunately. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On July 11 2022 03:01 Nick_54 wrote: Nice to see Pete making the media rounds. Now lets see him actually do something to the airline companies screwing people over by fining them as Bernie suggested and I'll be impressed. This, Pete Buttigieg as he is now is just another Obama and Obama was very far from good enough. Him not being actively hateable may stave off a singular Republican presidency for whatever that’s worth these days, though. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On July 11 2022 03:26 Zambrah wrote: This, Pete Buttigieg as he is now is just another Obama and Obama was very far from good enough. Him not being actively hateable may stave off a singular Republican presidency for whatever that’s worth these days, though. You think Pete or anyone involved in the current administration is at the same level as Obama right now? Obama had plenty of faults, but I think we're way worse off than with him in charge. https://mobile.twitter.com/GunnelsWarren/status/1544421334142304256 Good tweet here on how Obama solved a lot of the airport delay issues by issuing fines and how Bernie wants to do the same, but Pete and Joe won't pull the trigger. The fact that these airlines got 54 billion of taxpayer money before screwing employees and customers over for stockholders makes me sick. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23668 Posts
On July 11 2022 03:58 Nick_54 wrote: You think Pete or anyone involved in the current administration is at the same level as Obama right now? Obama had plenty of faults, but I think we're way worse off than with him in charge. https://mobile.twitter.com/GunnelsWarren/status/1544421334142304256 Good tweet here on how Obama solved a lot of the airport delay issues by issuing fines and how Bernie wants to do the same, but Pete and Joe won't pull the trigger. The fact that these airlines got 54 billion of taxpayer money before screwing employees and customers over for stockholders makes me sick. It's not a mystery that airlines do it because it is profitable and will continue until it isn't. Biden/Buttigieg can remedy it whenever they want because they don't need congress (and can't reasonably pawn it off on them). Luckily (I guess?) it's got a better chance than most to eventually get some traction in the administration though since airline travel is something that actually impacts most politicians personally. Suppose it just has to get added to the injustices people are enduring that Biden supporters hope he is exacerbating for cynical political gain. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On July 10 2022 20:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: So does this technically mean that people who are pulled over by cops can't record the cops while having conversations with those cops (since those conversations will pretty much require the cops to be by the car, within a few feet)? Only being able to record a traffic stop when the cop isn't around seems to kind of defeat the purpose, since the exchange between law enforcement and driver is what usually matters, right? According to the text of the bill there is an exception for anyone that is approached by police as well as an exception for anyone who is an occupant of a vehicle that is approached by police | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45316 Posts
On July 11 2022 04:20 BlackJack wrote: According to the text of the bill there is an exception for anyone that is approached by police as well as an exception for anyone who is an occupant of a vehicle that is approached by police Okay, that's a relief! | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On July 10 2022 10:16 WombaT wrote: Could. The conservative machine isn’t exactly sophisticated, or appealing to sophisticated folks. It’s not something that can be directly mirrored. Tell people what they want to hear, express a lot of anger towards the other group, push for mostly symbolic gestures. This would work on the left just as well as it does on the right. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26297 Posts
On July 11 2022 07:05 Mohdoo wrote: Tell people what they want to hear, express a lot of anger towards the other group, push for mostly symbolic gestures. This would work on the left just as well as it does on the right. To degrees, sure absolutely. It is harder to do because, I mean sure it exists but symbols and tradition aren’t nearly as potent a lever on the left as they are the populist segments of the right especially. Likewise hearing nice things, a bunch of righteous anger do have some pulling power, it can be a well to draw from but there’s a limit to the enthusiasm it can generate. Indeed lacking the crucial component, which are big, sensible and weighty policy shifts, good talk on its own can rather quickly flip to cynicism. To some degree people want to see their own values reflected in their particular political avatars, which also puts a certain shackle on political representatives. The problem with say, Trump is from my perspective not that there isn’t an equivalent fighting my corner with the same toolkit. It’s that he’s a person hugely deficient in close to every human quality I value, and I’d seek employment elsewhere if he was my new manager. To clarify I don’t think the left are paragons of virtue, or above any of the aforementioned. But I think there still are appreciable differences in the psyche of these demographics. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
1. The state governments should implement public healthcare. It shouldn't be federally run in my opinion since different states have different cost factors and issues and the state government should be more responsive to regional differences. Private insurers should still be allowed to offer whatever services on top of public healthcare, just like any other major developed country. 2. The southern border should be fully secured and all migrants crossing the border illegally should be returned to Mexico, no questions. They should not be able to enter illegally then claim asylum. You have got to set boundaries. The corollary is that the immigration system should be reformed - visas should be issued, as many as it takes to sustain farm worker numbers and other related industries that illegally migrants currently work in, so that they can be recognized properly and work lawfully. Issues such as eligibility for permanent residency can be separate from the act of issuing visas - diplomats get visas but never get permanent residency for example. 3. Gerrymandering to be banned via constitutional amendment. All electoral districts to be created via computer program designed only to optimize for an even distribution of voters across each district, and for the shortest possible border length per district. | ||
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