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On May 22 2022 13:37 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2022 11:13 KwarK wrote:On May 22 2022 10:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Inflation has definitely reached the point of "actually serious". I've been pretty surprised going to the grocery store lately. I am lucky to have the job I do. This has to be a major deal to people who are making an average salary. Some stuff is just crazy expensive.
I won't claim to understand how inflation creation or mitigation works, but I am not hearing anything about what Biden is doing to fix it. I'm not seeing any bold action. I'm not seeing anything really.
What has Biden done? What does he plan to do? If the issue is getting stuff through congress, do executive stuff instead. We are way past the point where inaction is tolerate. This is a pretty doomsday scenario right now.
Some families plain and simply can't afford an additional $400/month in gas/food. And that's probably conservative. He doesn’t control monetary policy, the Fed does. Inflation has nothing to do with Biden. Ehhhh, I am a firm believer in the idea that a leader is responsible for what happens due to the people they hire and/or trust to handle things. If I hire someone, that person messing up is my fault as well. Biden has the capability to shape fed policy both formally and informally. He can do a variety of things to make the fed enact this or that vision. I can't accept the idea that inflation is beyond Biden's reach. A leader is judged by what they do and also what they don't do. In a situation as dire as this one, in the absolute most generous sense, Biden should be actively screaming on Twitter and other media outlets about what needs to be done. What is Biden saying should be done? What is his position on this? What does he think is a good idea? A bad idea? I have no idea. I have no visibility as to what Biden is thinking right now. Trump gave people a clear view into his logic and reasoning. While I clearly hate the guy, Biden is completely failing as a leader when compared to Trump. I would consider Trump a significantly more effective leader than Biden, even if I hated what Trump did. If I'm being honest, right now I would have more faith in Trump taking decisive action than Biden. I hope I am proven wrong and that some sort of actual stuff happens. But right now, this appears to be a giant leadership failure. It is insane that families are being absolutely destroyed by inflation right now and yet I don't have a clear idea as to what Biden hopes to do about it. This is a huge disaster.
This is some pretty serious stuff here and a lot to unpack. I hate to say it, but I really can't disagree with you. Right now the inflation price increases is taking such a big bite out of my paycheck, I was actually noticeably better off financially under Trump.
Biden seems incredibly willing to be passive while all this goes on. Does anyone know what he's doing solve this problem? If there is something, I haven't heard it and I try to follow this stuff.
As a leader I would hope he does something. Between that and the broken campaign promise on student loans, I don't really see myself running to the ballot box anytime soon.
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I disagree with both of you. I think a long period of economic turmoil is an inevitability after the entire world gets shut down. I don’t put much of the responsibility for that on Biden’s lap. Almost everyone blaming Biden right now would probably be saying it’s not Trump’s fault if he had won 2020 and we had the same problems. Similarly most people defending Biden right now would be blaming Trump if Trump won 2020 and we had the same problems. I applaud Ya’ll’s consistency on where the buck stops because for most people it depends what party is in charge.
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Northern Ireland25513 Posts
On May 24 2022 02:18 Simberto wrote:
"Jesus, Guns, Babies". Truly what we want out of government in the 21st century.
Jesus, Guns, Babies. In that order. Someone’s been taking notes from the Gareth Bale/Real Madrid saga!
On May 24 2022 02:03 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2022 01:37 WombaT wrote:Oh but that’s an unfair interpretation of what she said, she obviously meant via hyperbole that the church is such a part of the cultural fabric that Georgia is de facto Christian, nothing sinister about eroding the barriers between Church and State! Happy cake day brother! Thank you sir! It is very hard to keep up with when you need to trust their words and when you need yo know they mean something very different.
I shall excuse you missing the dripping sarcasm in honour of a deadly departed member on account you may have been imbibing alcohol on your birthday. That or me deigning not to include the /s
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On May 24 2022 15:25 BlackJack wrote:
I disagree with both of you. I think a long period of economic turmoil is an inevitability after the entire world gets shut down. I don’t put much of the responsibility for that on Biden’s lap. Almost everyone blaming Biden right now would probably be saying it’s not Trump’s fault if he had won 2020 and we had the same problems. Similarly most people defending Biden right now would be blaming Trump if Trump won 2020 and we had the same problems. I applaud Ya’ll’s consistency on where the buck stops because for most people it depends what party is in charge.
I’m unsure what percentage of folks either blame the incumbent for the state of the huge wider economic machine in a non-partisan fashion, or exhibit what you’re describing but I imagine it’s rather bloody high and it’s usually a total nonsense.
As I frequently state, macroeconomics be not my strong suit, but I don’t think it takes much knowledge to observe if there’s a global stagnation/potential widespread recession it’s probably not something a singular President, who is generally going to be legislatively hamstrung, can do much to influence.
It becomes a matter of in good times, what are you doing to make the most of this bounty, and, where appropriate regulate to prevent latter instability.
In bad times what are you doing to mitigate the impacts of economic shocks, or providing that kind of spiritual leadership that at least provides confidence that you’re trying your best in trying times.
From what I’m seeing this side of the Atlantic Biden isn’t exactly knocking it out of the park in either department, the question of what do you do in times of a struggling economy. Blaming him for the struggling economy itself seems a tad silly to me
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On May 24 2022 14:25 Nick_54 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2022 23:44 ghost7754 wrote:On May 23 2022 10:54 Taelshin wrote:
My fault, should have clarified I was talking to the year amount spent in Afghanistan but even then I guess I was wrong since it would have been closer to 100bn a year roughly going off the 2t estimate. So really it seems like the tax payers are getting a sweet deal!
Kind of shocked at the War-Hawkery in here I figured most of you would be against giving tax payer money to military contractors.
@LL yeah I remember some pages back you had a big back and forth about the VA. I agree with your post here and actually id like to go even further by saying if we could just not get into conflicts in the first place we likely wouldn't need the VA to be so bloated. I do think it is important for people who have served to be taken care of, I just wish there was less of them. Yeah I am sure you are shocked at the warhawkery and not just simping for Putin and his genocidal regime. I really don't get the takes like this. The people that say you're a Putin supporter or a Putin ass kisser like the Fox News guy said if you don't support the massive amounts of aid on the war is not fair at all. It at least merits a debate or discussion. Personally I don't think spending tens of billions on a proxy war is right with all the problems at home. The goal should be for peace not weakening Russia and making sure the military industrial complex gets their taste when the war is causing big problems for the U.S. as well (gas prices) Again, just my opinion. But Congress could spend those tens of billions at home aswell, but one party refuses to do anything about those problems. America does not lack money, but the will to spend it to improve the situation of its citizens.
And all this aid for Ukraine is the path to peace, Russia isn't going to just say "sorry, our bad you can have your country back" and Ukraine is not willing to give up its existence without a fight. Driving Russia out of Ukraine is the most realistic path to peace, and as Kwark explained the military industrial complex will get its taste regardless because the industry needs to be kept busy to justify its existence. If not shipping munition and equipment to Ukraine they are shipping them to a warehouse somewhere to gather dust.
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On May 24 2022 18:23 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2022 14:25 Nick_54 wrote:On May 23 2022 23:44 ghost7754 wrote:On May 23 2022 10:54 Taelshin wrote:
My fault, should have clarified I was talking to the year amount spent in Afghanistan but even then I guess I was wrong since it would have been closer to 100bn a year roughly going off the 2t estimate. So really it seems like the tax payers are getting a sweet deal!
Kind of shocked at the War-Hawkery in here I figured most of you would be against giving tax payer money to military contractors.
@LL yeah I remember some pages back you had a big back and forth about the VA. I agree with your post here and actually id like to go even further by saying if we could just not get into conflicts in the first place we likely wouldn't need the VA to be so bloated. I do think it is important for people who have served to be taken care of, I just wish there was less of them. Yeah I am sure you are shocked at the warhawkery and not just simping for Putin and his genocidal regime. I really don't get the takes like this. The people that say you're a Putin supporter or a Putin ass kisser like the Fox News guy said if you don't support the massive amounts of aid on the war is not fair at all. It at least merits a debate or discussion. Personally I don't think spending tens of billions on a proxy war is right with all the problems at home. The goal should be for peace not weakening Russia and making sure the military industrial complex gets their taste when the war is causing big problems for the U.S. as well (gas prices) Again, just my opinion. But Congress could spend those tens of billions at home aswell, but one party refuses to do anything about those problems. America does not lack money, but the will to spend it to improve the situation of its citizens. And all this aid for Ukraine is the path to peace, Russia isn't going to just say "sorry, our bad you can have your country back" and Ukraine is not willing to give up its existence without a fight. Driving Russia out of Ukraine is the most realistic path to peace, and as Kwark explained the military industrial complex will get its taste regardless because the industry needs to be kept busy to justify its existence. If not shipping munition and equipment to Ukraine they are shipping them to a warehouse somewhere to gather dust.
Another important note is that giving in to dictators doesn't prevent wars. It leads to more wars, because they realize that their method is working and getting them what they want.
We need to protect a world order where wars of aggression are shunned and where they are met with massive resistance and pushed back. Anything else leads to more wars in the next decades.
The US spends money on exactly two things: Rich people and war. Money is not what is stopping the US from improving peoples lives. (For example, any other healthcare system would be cheaper and better) At least in this case, it is a good war and not some stupid invasion in the middle east.
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On May 24 2022 21:51 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2022 15:25 BlackJack wrote:
I disagree with both of you. I think a long period of economic turmoil is an inevitability after the entire world gets shut down. I don’t put much of the responsibility for that on Biden’s lap. Almost everyone blaming Biden right now would probably be saying it’s not Trump’s fault if he had won 2020 and we had the same problems. Similarly most people defending Biden right now would be blaming Trump if Trump won 2020 and we had the same problems. I applaud Ya’ll’s consistency on where the buck stops because for most people it depends what party is in charge. I do not disagree with your first part, it is a global problem not a US problem. It might make more sense to compare how the US is fairing in this situation compared to how other countries are. But even that is silly since a lot of economic policy is not immediate. There is certainly things happening now related to Trumps policy, but there are liekly even things still related to Obama. And on top of that some are not even the president. That being said your average voter gives way to much credit or blame for the current economic system on the president. Much like the Quarterback in american football gets way to much credit or blame. To your partisan thing, it really does not make sense in this situation since the people in this thread who are blaming Biden vote Dem.
Blackjack was making the point that thread denizens, at least on this topic are less partisan than genpop and can simultaneously vote Dem while criticising Biden in this domain
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On May 24 2022 22:49 JimmiC wrote:For those saying that Republicans won't block women from Texas traveling to get Abortions, it has already begun, even before the Roe vs Wade has been over turned, 14 Rep are bringing forth a proposal to ban companies who offer it as a benefit. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/texas-republicans-look-bar-companies-123327252.htmlI was listening to a radio show on how some states are going so far right or Trumpian (they are not close to the same thing) and the theory brought forth that I thought mostly made sense was that because those states have become so completely Republican that the battle is not on the election but during the primary and it becomes who can be the most Trumpian or furthest right. So instead of battling against the Dems they are battling against the other Reps. Likely could be true in completely blue states as well, meaning the battle is in the primary so it can get pushed further and further left.
We’ll end up with the Northern Ireland situation, where for years abortion is a practically doable thing if you travel to the U.K. mainland, but poor people will be economically gated out of it.
Poor people who no doubt will be shamed for ‘having children you can’t afford’ and whatnot.
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On May 24 2022 15:25 BlackJack wrote:
I disagree with both of you. I think a long period of economic turmoil is an inevitability after the entire world gets shut down. I don’t put much of the responsibility for that on Biden’s lap. Almost everyone blaming Biden right now would probably be saying it’s not Trump’s fault if he had won 2020 and we had the same problems. Similarly most people defending Biden right now would be blaming Trump if Trump won 2020 and we had the same problems. I applaud Ya’ll’s consistency on where the buck stops because for most people it depends what party is in charge.
He might not be to blame for the inflationary crisis, but he sure as hfil is responsible for handling the problem. The leader of the US is certainly the person who you would expect to be leading up the response to a crisis that affects that country, rather than looking to pawn off blame on anyone and everyone but himself as Biden has largely done so far. At best he's an absentee president on the economic issues.
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Yes, the big thing is that the person in charge is not purely responsible for fixing issues they cause. This is the case for any situation, not just being president. This is a fundamental truth of leadership.
Responding to disaster is a part of the job. He is currently wildly failing at that. As LL said, he's absentee at best. Its amazing just how little we are hearing from him about what should be done or what needs to happen or his plans...anything. Even just messaging on what congress should do would be 10x better than what we have gotten from him. The apologists who like to point out he isn't congress need to understand messaging is a big part of leadership and he isn't doing that either. Trump played a huge role in how republicans prioritized issues in congress. Biden is not doing that. He's just totally absent. Really shameful display by him so far.
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Biden is also doing quite poorly among younger voters, who are one of the biggest reasons he won in 2020. In general, they don't feel optimistic about the future in a number of ways, social, financial, etc. And they don't feel Biden is doing much to address that, or make the concerns of younger voters feel heard and understood. It's still a game stilted towards the already wealthy and powerful.
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Well, right now their problem is going to be encouraging turnout, when the year and a half that we've gotten is underwhelming, to say the least. People are going to be enthusiastic in voting for the likes of Fetterman and McLeod-Skinner, which highlights the problem we're going to have overall. They're winning enthusiastic support because they're calling out what's wrong and demonstrating a will to fight it and do some good.
The rest of the races up for grabs right now are going to be really hard when the candidate you're left with is someone who's just pointing at the Republicans and talking about how terrible they are. We know that they're terrible, but you're not giving people the impression that you're going to be much different. We know it's a two-party system and that means we're pretty much over a barrel, but we still want to be voting for someone. If the Democrats don't have a pulse and don't do anything meaningful then they can win the next 20 elections and Republicans will still be the real winners.
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Wow 14 children dead maybe more at a school shooting in Texas. I hope we spend all of our political tokens on banning the words gender and identity in schools before we tackle gun control. Banning semi automatic rifles under the age of 21 seems like too big of a hurdle. Considering the average age of a school shooter is 16-17
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On May 25 2022 06:11 Husyelt wrote:
Wow 14 children dead maybe more at a school shooting in Texas. I hope we spend all of our political tokens on banning the words gender and identity in schools before we tackle gun control. Banning semi automatic rifles under the age of 21 seems like too big of a hurdle. Considering the average age of a school shooter is 16-17 The US lost the fight against school shootings with Sandy Hook. When classrooms of dead 6-7y olds don't cause a nation to blink nothing will be 'to much'.
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On May 25 2022 06:11 Husyelt wrote:
Wow 14 children dead maybe more at a school shooting in Texas. I hope we spend all of our political tokens on banning the words gender and identity in schools before we tackle gun control. Banning semi automatic rifles under the age of 21 seems like too big of a hurdle. Considering the average age of a school shooter is 16-17
And our government will say that we need more police, more guns, more armed teachers, everything to "protect" kids while letting them get murdered.
May the names and the memories of all Texas GOP members be erased.
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