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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11686 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-18 15:46:53
May 18 2022 15:46 GMT
#72761
On May 18 2022 23:51 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2022 23:30 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 18 2022 22:06 plasmidghost wrote:
Lots of progressive victories yesterday. Here's to hoping that they can win in the general elections

Hopefully the Democrats are actually taking some notes. People are excited to vote for candidates who are willing to fight to do some good, much more than they are to hold their nose and vote for someone who will merely not do the bad thing. Their heuristic for electability is outdated to hell, and they need to recognize that real bad.

Also I'm anecdotally seeing some more centrist conservatives say they'd rather vote for Fetterman, with how extreme the Republicans are getting lately. I've been burnt before, but there's some room for hope.

Absolutely. I am worried that if the progressive candidates as a whole lose to the GOP, there will be a ton of backlash against them. Just hoping they can get the enthusiasm of young voters replicated with independents

And this is also anecdotal, but my parents and grandparents are all conservative to some degree and they voted Trump in 2016, but after talking to them about how bad the GOP is to trans people, they all said they're not going to vote GOP because "they're no longer small government". Won't vote Dem either, but that's probably the best I could do


That is honestly kind of sad. The gop wants to personally make life hell to their daughter/granddaughter. And the best they can do is "I guess that is not small government"?

Without wanting to judge your family, that sounds really dickish.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
May 18 2022 16:15 GMT
#72762
On May 19 2022 00:46 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2022 23:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 18 2022 23:30 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 18 2022 22:06 plasmidghost wrote:
Lots of progressive victories yesterday. Here's to hoping that they can win in the general elections

Hopefully the Democrats are actually taking some notes. People are excited to vote for candidates who are willing to fight to do some good, much more than they are to hold their nose and vote for someone who will merely not do the bad thing. Their heuristic for electability is outdated to hell, and they need to recognize that real bad.

Also I'm anecdotally seeing some more centrist conservatives say they'd rather vote for Fetterman, with how extreme the Republicans are getting lately. I've been burnt before, but there's some room for hope.

Absolutely. I am worried that if the progressive candidates as a whole lose to the GOP, there will be a ton of backlash against them. Just hoping they can get the enthusiasm of young voters replicated with independents

And this is also anecdotal, but my parents and grandparents are all conservative to some degree and they voted Trump in 2016, but after talking to them about how bad the GOP is to trans people, they all said they're not going to vote GOP because "they're no longer small government". Won't vote Dem either, but that's probably the best I could do


That is honestly kind of sad. The gop wants to personally make life hell to their daughter/granddaughter. And the best they can do is "I guess that is not small government"?

Without wanting to judge your family, that sounds really dickish.

It's all good! And yeah, it took the bills personally affecting me before they cared, which is really saying something
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
May 18 2022 16:40 GMT
#72763
Great news from Oregon. This shit head was exactly the kind of democrat we need to replace. It’s not the socialist revolution but it’s a step in the right direction.

https://theintercept.com/2022/05/18/kurt-schrader-oregon-election-jamie-mcleod-skinner/

The incumbent pulled in $2 million in outside super PAC support, half of it from the pharmaceutical industry he served in Congress, compared with McLeod-Skinner’s roughly $340,000 from the Working Families Party and Indivisible. Adding in his own spending, Schrader outspent his opponent 10-to-1 — and will likely still lose.

Schrader, whose opponent dubbed him the “Joe Manchin of the House,” joined last year with Rep. Josh Gottheimer, D-N.J., to push for decoupling the bipartisan infrastructure bill from the Build Back Better Act and cast the deciding vote in the Energy and Commerce Committee to kill prescription drug price reform. Nevertheless, he had the endorsement of both President Joe Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

McLeod-Skinner — a lesbian, rancher, and board member of the Jefferson County Education Service District — capitalized on Schrader’s weakness with Oregon Democrats by running a progressive, issues-focused campaign and convincing Schrader’s many local skeptics to endorse against the incumbent.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 18 2022 17:08 GMT
#72764
The Republican party has never been shy about having schisms and reforming into something more unabashedly radical, more and more loudly saying what they've been about the entire time. The Democratic party desperately needs a similar schism event, they need a moment of reckoning where they realize they just don't go far enough for their voters the way they are now. Enough primaries like this start to happen, it'll reshape what kind of leadership is acceptable at the top, too.

The Democratic apparatus has been very resistant to actually doing anything for a long time, though, so IDK what it would actually take.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
May 18 2022 17:10 GMT
#72765
On May 19 2022 02:08 NewSunshine wrote:
The Republican party has never been shy about having schisms and reforming into something more unabashedly radical, more and more loudly saying what they've been about the entire time. The Democratic party desperately needs a similar schism event, they need a moment of reckoning where they realize they just don't go far enough for their voters the way they are now. Enough primaries like this start to happen, it'll reshape what kind of leadership is acceptable at the top, too.

The Democratic apparatus has been very resistant to actually doing anything for a long time, though, so IDK what it would actually take.

What’s funny is Biden still supported this shit head who voted against his agenda lol
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4866 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-18 17:18:16
May 18 2022 17:18 GMT
#72766
What's even funnier is that it's a D+2 district and now they booted their current rep to make it an open seat in a republican year. Possible, if not likely that this time next year there is no democrat in that seat. But voters on both sides of the aisle do this.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 18 2022 17:18 GMT
#72767
On May 19 2022 02:10 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2022 02:08 NewSunshine wrote:
The Republican party has never been shy about having schisms and reforming into something more unabashedly radical, more and more loudly saying what they've been about the entire time. The Democratic party desperately needs a similar schism event, they need a moment of reckoning where they realize they just don't go far enough for their voters the way they are now. Enough primaries like this start to happen, it'll reshape what kind of leadership is acceptable at the top, too.

The Democratic apparatus has been very resistant to actually doing anything for a long time, though, so IDK what it would actually take.

What’s funny is Biden still supported this shit head who voted against his agenda lol

There's two possible conclusions that can be drawn there. One is that, like the Republicans, they're sticking together out of pragmatism, the second is that Biden is actually cool with how that went down, because the idea was never to actually pass the legislation. The second one is more cynical, for sure, but they're also kinda earning it?

People need help, shit needs to get done, and now Republicans are more emboldened than ever to strip rights away from their fellow Americans and send us back to the good old days of the mid-20th century. They can't just do this lax same-as-it-ever-was shit.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-18 17:25:03
May 18 2022 17:24 GMT
#72768
On May 19 2022 02:18 Introvert wrote:
What's even funnier is that it's a D+2 district and now they booted their current rep to make it an open seat in a republican year. Possible, if not likely that this time next year there is no democrat in that seat. But voters on both sides of the aisle do this.


That seat was won by 7% in 2020. It will not go R in 2022. The counties that make up that seat have been flooded with left leaning migration in recent years.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4866 Posts
May 18 2022 17:35 GMT
#72769
On May 19 2022 02:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2022 02:18 Introvert wrote:
What's even funnier is that it's a D+2 district and now they booted their current rep to make it an open seat in a republican year. Possible, if not likely that this time next year there is no democrat in that seat. But voters on both sides of the aisle do this.


That seat was won by 7% in 2020. It will not go R in 2022. The counties that make up that seat have been flooded with left leaning migration in recent years.


7% is not that much in a midterm, especially for an open seat and if Biden's numbers stay crap. The GOP nominee seems normal, and that might be all that's needed. It's not gone for sure, but picking the more left choice is definitely a risk.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
May 18 2022 17:43 GMT
#72770
On May 19 2022 02:35 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2022 02:24 Mohdoo wrote:
On May 19 2022 02:18 Introvert wrote:
What's even funnier is that it's a D+2 district and now they booted their current rep to make it an open seat in a republican year. Possible, if not likely that this time next year there is no democrat in that seat. But voters on both sides of the aisle do this.


That seat was won by 7% in 2020. It will not go R in 2022. The counties that make up that seat have been flooded with left leaning migration in recent years.


7% is not that much in a midterm, especially for an open seat and if Biden's numbers stay crap. The GOP nominee seems normal, and that might be all that's needed. It's not gone for sure, but picking the more left choice is definitely a risk.

I suppose we’ll just have to wait and see. But what I am saying is that this seat’s counties have been big migration hot spots for young folks in recent years. Getting rid of this guy has been a core rallying call since 2020. But I don’t have a crystal ball and I won’t pretend I do.

If the counties were different, I might agree. But these counties being yanked to the left is why this guy just lost his primary. He was untouchable for a long time
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11686 Posts
May 18 2022 18:05 GMT
#72771
At this point, it is harder and harder to convince me that a Manchin-like person is better than no democrat. If you don't have a majority, no one expects you to pass laws. If you have a majority, but your own people block you whenever you try to pass legislation, you look like a complete moron.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 18 2022 18:29 GMT
#72772
--- Nuked ---
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
May 18 2022 19:13 GMT
#72773
Luckily we are trimming back the Manchin shit heads where possible. Oregon is doing our part.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
May 18 2022 19:32 GMT
#72774
There's a runoff for the GOP nominee for Texas Attorney General between our incumbent criminal and all around scumbag Ken Paxton and yet another George Bush. We deserve better
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
May 18 2022 21:06 GMT
#72775
Holy fuck. So if I'm reading this ruling correctly, the Fifth Circuit pretty much just not only abolished the SEC, it abolished any federal agency from enforcing regulations. Genuinely one of the darkest times in the US for as long as I've been alive. I fully believe that the Supreme Court will uphold this.

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
May 18 2022 22:00 GMT
#72776
lol @ congress being the only means of regulation. That’s a doomsday scenario
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
May 18 2022 22:02 GMT
#72777
Its all just a slow matter of progress, not to worry, carry on.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22007 Posts
May 18 2022 22:23 GMT
#72778
So, about those activist judges lol.

Doesn't this render every single regulation agency from the SEC to the FDA basically null and void?
They can't make regulations, Congress has to do every single one of them and they can't enforce them without going through the entire judiciary system, against major corporations who have no problem paying the legal fees to take every single case all the way up to the Supreme Court.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
May 18 2022 22:24 GMT
#72779
At that point I wonder if the SC just goes "Nah, fuck that, it'd cause me way too much work."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24751 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-05-18 22:33:51
May 18 2022 22:33 GMT
#72780
I don't know the details but are the implications there enforcement of law or enforcement of regulations? Generally, regulations do not apply directly to the public. Regulations are how the law is implemented by the government body. If the government body is not allowed to publish/follow regulations (regardless of a public comment period etc), then they will need to implement the law directly as written, which generally means everything is left incredibly open to interpretation. Perhaps we don't have the correct details yet, but this basically reads as "executive branch organizations are not allowed to write their own implementation guides anymore."
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