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JimmiC
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JimmiC
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Slydie
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On September 24 2021 23:44 JimmiC wrote: In more funny news about the "big steal" that wasn't and that anyone believes is very detached from reality. The company hired to do the recount and prove that Trump won Arizona, instead found that it was mostly correct other than that Boden had some missed votes. So the lead in Arizona grew thanks to this effort. Great use of money and resources. I'm sure the far right media will be very fair and report that to clear up all the inaccurate reporting they have done in regards to election..... https://ca.yahoo.com/news/arizona-election-audit-commissioned-gop-105259251.html As I understand it, this was barely ever about actually finding anything but rather filling the market for stories that there is still doubt. And, there are millions to be earned on this, so there is no reason to stop recounting and investigating. The election fraud myth has reached religious levels, and there is no way these people will back down. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45175 Posts
On September 24 2021 23:44 JimmiC wrote: In more funny news about the "big steal" that wasn't and that anyone believes is very detached from reality. The company hired to do the recount and prove that Trump won Arizona, instead found that it was mostly correct other than that Boden had some missed votes. So the lead in Arizona grew thanks to this effort. Great use of money and resources. I'm sure the far right media will be very fair and report that to clear up all the inaccurate reporting they have done in regards to election..... https://ca.yahoo.com/news/arizona-election-audit-commissioned-gop-105259251.html If Biden got additional electoral votes for every unnecessary recount across the country, he'd be at like 700 EVs by now. | ||
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JimmiC
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brian
United States9633 Posts
but i don’t disagree with your point otherwise. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22005 Posts
On September 25 2021 05:06 brian wrote: Based on repeated evidence and the actions of the Republican party, even after Trump left office, it seems very much like the Party of Trump. And they have done nothing to dispel that notion.i think there are probably still some conservatives that aren’t trump supporters, so i think it’s some small service to call out trump supporters in that context than republicans generally. unfortunately in my family those don’t exist. but i have to imagine? but i don’t disagree with your point otherwise. I have no doubt there are a lot of conservatives who are not Trump supporters. But if they still consider themselves Republicans then they are deluding themselves, it's no longer their party. | ||
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brian
United States9633 Posts
plus, even your first sentence i think has some room. Especially recently, Trump looks bent on making the intra party divide a little more obvious. | ||
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Zambrah
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On September 25 2021 05:37 Zambrah wrote: Democrats regularly infight amongst themselves though, Republicans don't, to a comparable degree, fight against Trump. I don't think Democrats (at least the Clinton/Biden portions) ever would have rallied around Sanders like Republicans did around Trump. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 25 2021 09:30 GreenHorizons wrote: I don't think Democrats (at least the Clinton/Biden portions) ever would have rallied around Sanders like Republicans did around Trump. But do you think that misalignment is a matter of principle as in they would give up power to not have Sanders succeed or merely the reality that Sanders represents a minority position and they don't need to? The Republicans falling in line behind Trump is a case of falling in line to chase power. When democrats need to they will as well no doubt. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On September 25 2021 09:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: But do you think that misalignment is a matter of principle as in they would give up power to not have Sanders succeed or merely the reality that Sanders represents a minority position and they don't need to? The Republicans falling in line behind Trump is a case of falling in line to chase power. When democrats need to they will as well no doubt. What did he actually do in power, or what’s the policy throughline? There’s a form of pure grievance, identity politics all over Trump’s base that isn’t particularly tethered to well, much. Seems less about power or doing much with that power but to be seen to be part of fighting the good fight. I’m not sure there’s a comparable phenomenon on the other side of the aisle. There are certainly grievances from people who want specific policies, or attempts at actually redressing those grievances, indeed the type that would back Sanders. There’s certainly a tribal component too, but I don’t think it’s quite as pronounced that you’d see people going to go to bat for a Dem Trump to quite the same degree. Would milquetoast liberals ‘vote blue no matter who’ if it was an actual Sanders on the ticket, who might say raise x tax or do y thing? I don’t know, honestly. If it’s a Sanders vs a Trump I would wager yes though. Usually they have the luxury of being largely personally unaffected by the nitty gritty of political consequences, outside of things we’re seeing re abortion etc lately. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 25 2021 10:10 WombaT wrote: There’s a form of pure grievance, identity politics all over Trump’s base that isn’t particularly tethered to well, much. Seems less about power or doing much with that power but to be seen to be part of fighting the good fight. The idea that this isn't exerting power is misguided. Grievance politics exists because people see themselves losing, but cannot see a path to further their power. Your blue collar worker who is losing out to globalization doesn't have anyone in power looking out for his or her interests. Voting democrat isn't going to revitalize the ghost towns. You'll say that they'll be better off with social programs, but they don't want to be the bottom caste. They'll take government handouts while complaining about the lazy, but they want their place in the hierarchy restored. The good fight you're talking about is the thin blue line where the police force brutalizes minorities and maintain the hierarchy of whites being superior. | ||
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On September 25 2021 09:49 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: But do you think that misalignment is a matter of principle as in they would give up power to not have Sanders succeed or merely the reality that Sanders represents a minority position and they don't need to? The Republicans falling in line behind Trump is a case of falling in line to chase power. When democrats need to they will as well no doubt. I think there are some of both but when pressed many would rather collaborate on "center"-right policy with Republicans that don't like Trump than lose policy fights or political power to the "Bernie wing". Biden pretty much ran on that and they picked him. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11686 Posts
On September 25 2021 06:28 JimmiC wrote: I think you are right, and I think that if they are politically aware they are trying to figure out what to do now that the Republican party is not a conservative party any more. I think there is also a group of Republicans that are not that politically aware and just assume that what the Rep party does and says is "conservative". It is a very strange time when there are only two parties in such a rich, powerful and large country and one has decided that reality is just not that important, let alone political ideologies like conservatism. Yeah, that is the strange thing. And even stranger is that that party is still competitive. This makes the whole situation basically a one party setup for sane people, which sucks, because not having any choice when voting isn't a good thing for democracy, and doesn't lead to the people in power doing what is good for the people voting for them, either. But the fact of the matter is that nearly half of the country is still voting for a party which is simply insane and evil. A multi-party system might be better here, but an electorate which wouldn't vote for Darth Vader (R) would also help. | ||
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Slydie
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45175 Posts
On September 25 2021 17:46 Slydie wrote: Afaik, GOP also has a lot of hell bent single-cause voters who will always vote for them as long as they a.re shown a carrot of lowered taxes, being mean to immigrants, abortion or gun control from time to time. They don't even care if it is true conservative or bullshit populist party they vote for. That's true, although I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Dem voters are single-issue voters too. | ||
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Yurie
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On September 25 2021 18:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: That's true, although I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of Dem voters are single-issue voters too. I think the two most common ones are probably equality and environment. Which is why I would vote for them if I lived in the US. The lack of options is a bit sad since the democratic party is to the right of where I vote in Europe. | ||
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