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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On September 01 2021 03:30 Gorsameth wrote: I don't think this is about leaving it for the Afghan army. But more that if the US was going to leave the country before the end of the month they simply wouldn't be able to take everything with them. My understanding is that leaving stuff behind wasn't a big issue because the assumption was that the fake and illegitimate Afghanistan army would use it rather than the Taliban. Maybe I am wrong about that. They were left a bunch of stuff, they surrendered, now the Taliban has it. I'd prefer 100000x for the US to just get the fuck out as soon as they can rather than spend their time trying to recover a bunch of stuff the Taliban already has their hands all over. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On September 01 2021 04:24 Mohdoo wrote: My understanding is that leaving stuff behind wasn't a big issue because the assumption was that the fake and illegitimate Afghanistan army would use it rather than the Taliban. Maybe I am wrong about that. They were left a bunch of stuff, they surrendered, now the Taliban has it. I'd prefer 100000x for the US to just get the fuck out as soon as they can rather than spend their time trying to recover a bunch of stuff the Taliban already has their hands all over. Leaving things behind isn't much of an issue because many of the things we left behind, like the many vehicles we left behind, break down a lot and require a lot of maintenance from skilled individuals, which the Taliban do not have, and very specific parts, which, again, the Taliban do not have. It's expected that many of the bigger pieces of equipment left behind will break down and be mostly useless to the Taliban. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8233 Posts
What a dumpster fire Texas has become. Some of these measures are akin to East Berling < 1989 | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On September 01 2021 18:47 Excludos wrote: Not sure if this has been linked before: https://imgur.com/gallery/9aWeX6H (originals from aclu_nationwide instagram account, but this post puts them in order that is actually readable) What a dumpster fire Texas has become. Some of these measures are akin to East Berling < 1989 Jesus that’s terrible. It seems the abortion issue will always be in flux in certain areas of the States and never settled. Wonder why that is. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On September 01 2021 03:22 Mohdoo wrote: I struggle with the question of what the right thing to do was. We had a lot of reason to think the Afghanistan military would shit the bed. The odds weren't good. But would it be inhumane to take everything back and essentially leave them to the dogs? Hard question to answer. If we pulled all of our equipment and Afghanistan military gets slaughtered, makes us look terrible and stingy. But by leaving it, we left it for the Taliban. Either way sucks but one of them is more humane. Yeah, I can see it being an even worse shitshow if the US pulled out more fully. Imagine the US starts withdrawing all equipment, personnel, collaborators, etc well in advance and in greater capacity. Not only would this embolden the Taliban to accelerate their plans, but the world would look on and conclude that the US was writing off Afghanistan and that Afghanistan fell because the US let it fall by removing any chance of the afghan military properly resisting, and not because it was doomed to fall reguardless. The end result is the same as now, with the Taliban having less equipment and more collaborators safely evacuated, but without the "unexpected" (to the general public) total collapse of the afghan military, it would look 100% to be US fault and the "US abandoning its allies" argument would be even stronger. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On September 01 2021 18:47 Excludos wrote: Not sure if this has been linked before: https://imgur.com/gallery/9aWeX6H (originals from aclu_nationwide instagram account, but this post puts them in order that is actually readable) What a dumpster fire Texas has become. Some of these measures are akin to East Berling < 1989 Encouraging lawsuits by offering a $10.000 bounty. What a fucked up shitshow that neanderthal state is. Can't supply electricity when it becomes a little warm or a little chilly, but rather sit in the dark than allowing someone else on the other end of the state not to fuck up the rest of their lives for a small mistake (or in case of incest/rape, no mistake at all). Might wanna call the Talibans for more tips on how to become even more of a toxic environment to live in if you don't have a (on average rather tiny, considering the amount of retardedly huge pickups in texas) cock. Texas and Florida never fail to deliver in regards to absolutely astonishingly idiotic headlines. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On September 02 2021 01:36 m4ini wrote: Encouraging lawsuits by offering a $10.000 bounty. What a fucked up shitshow that neanderthal state is. Can't supply electricity when it becomes a little warm or a little chilly, but rather sit in the dark than allowing someone else on the other end of the state not to fuck up the rest of their lives for a small mistake (or in case of incest/rape, no mistake at all). Might wanna call the Talibans for more tips on how to become even more of a toxic environment to live in if you don't have a (on average rather tiny, considering the amount of retardedly huge pickups in texas) cock. Texas and Florida never fail to deliver in regards to absolutely astonishingly idiotic headlines. I had actually been considering a move to Austin since I like the hot weather. But Texas feels like it is regressing. My wife does not plan to have an abortion if we happened to get pregnant, so its not like that actually impacts me, but I would feel uncomfortable paying state taxes. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35170 Posts
On September 02 2021 03:04 Mohdoo wrote: I had actually been considering a move to Austin since I like the hot weather. But Texas feels like it is regressing. My wife does not plan to have an abortion if we happened to get pregnant, so its not like that actually impacts me, but I would feel uncomfortable paying state taxes. Not to mention it's nice to have the option, even if you two wouldn't intend to in this moment, because who knows what the world is going to throw at us next. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6222 Posts
On September 02 2021 03:04 Mohdoo wrote: I had actually been considering a move to Austin since I like the hot weather. But Texas feels like it is regressing. My wife does not plan to have an abortion if we happened to get pregnant, so its not like that actually impacts me, but I would feel uncomfortable paying state taxes. The problem is there's always unknowns that can happen. Theoretically if you knew your child would have downs, or in the worst case, if your baby would not survive outside the womb, your wife would still be forced to carry to term. It's absurdly strict. We're going to see the fallout from the Trump presidency as the supreme court starts letting the restrictions stay in place. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On September 02 2021 04:09 Lmui wrote: The problem is there's always unknowns that can happen. Theoretically if you knew your child would have downs, or in the worst case, if your baby would not survive outside the womb, your wife would still be forced to carry to term. It's absurdly strict. We're going to see the fallout from the Trump presidency as the supreme court starts letting the restrictions stay in place. How likely is it to stick? Surely at least some of these measures aren’t going to pass muster at a Supreme Court level? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On September 02 2021 04:09 Lmui wrote: The problem is there's always unknowns that can happen. Theoretically if you knew your child would have downs, or in the worst case, if your baby would not survive outside the womb, your wife would still be forced to carry to term. It's absurdly strict. We're going to see the fallout from the Trump presidency as the supreme court starts letting the restrictions stay in place. This is a good point. My wife and I don't think it is ethical to carry a baby that won't have a good life. We are fortunate to have the flexibility to travel for whatever we would need, but since Texas now puts a bounty on people's heads who have abortions, you are right. Overall, Texas is looking distinctly yikes at the moment. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11752 Posts
On September 02 2021 05:29 Mohdoo wrote: This is a good point. My wife and I don't think it is ethical to carry a baby that won't have a good life. We are fortunate to have the flexibility to travel for whatever we would need, but since Texas now puts a bounty on people's heads who have abortions, you are right. Overall, Texas is looking distinctly yikes at the moment. Also, i find it hard to believe that that sounds like a country (or state i guess) you would want to be living in. After all, any person you meet there has a pretty high chance of being in favor of that shit, or at least tolerating it to the point of voting for people who pass laws like that. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On September 02 2021 06:41 Simberto wrote: Also, i find it hard to believe that that sounds like a country (or state i guess) you would want to be living in. After all, any person you meet there has a pretty high chance of being in favor of that shit, or at least tolerating it to the point of voting for people who pass laws like that. Austin is a big of an attack on titan situation with respect to cultural goblins. There are still plenty in Austin, but the city is predominantly culturally modern. That being said, when I visited, I saw a house with a door that was entirely a confederate flag after I was about ~30 minutes outside of Austin. So you can't really go far before being a minority becomes a liability. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On September 02 2021 07:33 Mohdoo wrote: Austin is a big of an attack on titan situation with respect to cultural goblins. There are still plenty in Austin, but the city is predominantly culturally modern. That being said, when I visited, I saw a house with a door that was entirely a confederate flag after I was about ~30 minutes outside of Austin. So you can't really go far before being a minority becomes a liability. Oh god, the Confederate flag worship can be so intense some places. You should see this place I drove past, it was so decked out in Confederate flags I actually had to take a picture. Southern US culture is so very fucked in so very many ways. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On September 02 2021 06:41 Simberto wrote: Also, i find it hard to believe that that sounds like a country (or state i guess) you would want to be living in. After all, any person you meet there has a pretty high chance of being in favor of that shit, or at least tolerating it to the point of voting for people who pass laws like that. That actually isn't true. Texas has such a stranglehold on voting rights that the will of the majority of voters gets squashed every election cycle. I've linked it many times, but Texas closes hundreds of poll locations the day before an election takes place every cycle, predominantly in areas with high minority and low-income representation, which affects Democratic voters the most. Also, the Attorney General of Texas openly bragged after the 2020 election that they prevented Texas from going to Biden by preventing nearly all mail-in votes from being counted in the state. Also, over 600 new laws went into effect today, including even more restrictions on voting rights, including bans on 24-hour voting locations, even stricter rules on mail-in voting, and penalties have been put in place for those who assist people in registering to vote or cast a ballot, like translators who assist Spanish-speaking voters of Texas which there are a lot of. Texas hasn't been majority Conservative for a while but the State government is going to keep making sure that doesn't matter. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
The Sackler (the Nutsacklers? Ballsacklers?) family basically asserts they didn't do anything wrong and that they wouldnt go through with much of anything if they werent shielded from future lawsuits. They're being made to donate a lot of money and have been made to leave the opioid industry, they also lose control of a bunch of charity stuff. I dont know what the best case scenario for this would have been, but the Judge and some state attorney generals don't seem super satisfied by it, though the judge does say hes planning on approving it in spite of his general dissatisfaction. Sacklers look to be out 4.5b, plus 175m from relinquishing their charity stuff. Quick googling indicates theyre worth like 11b. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-will-approve-purdue-pharma-bankruptcy-shields-sacklers-opioid-lawsuits-n1278319 The Sacklers have denied allegations, raised in lawsuits and elsewhere, that they bear responsibility for the opioid epidemic. They have said they acted ethically and lawfully while serving on Purdue's board. The Purdue bankruptcy plan includes a $4.5 billion contribution from Sackler family members. The contribution is in the form of cash that will be paid over roughly a decade and also includes $175 million in value from relinquishing control of charitable institutions. David, though, made clear that he and other relatives would not contribute billions of dollars of their wealth toward resolving opioid lawsuits and combatting the crisis without the broad legal releases shielding them from future liability. When his father, former Purdue president Richard Sackler, was asked by a lawyer for Washington state opposing the bankruptcy plan whether the family or the company bear any responsibility for the opioid crisis, he responded with a firm “no.” | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
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