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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10006 Posts
Also https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/feb/12/us-government-appeals-uk-ruling-against-julian-assanges-extradition-joe-biden-wikileaks The one thing Trump and Biden have in common is their hatred of whistleblowers and their need for vengeance against anyone who tells the truth about the US. | ||
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Archeon
3273 Posts
If any of this was about justice they'd sue the ones that created the mess worth leaking. But I guess working for the US gov basically gives you a free ticket do whatever horrible shit you want. It's pretty ironic how the same people that declare that "good people have nothing to hide" then pursue the people who show how much shit officials are hiding. Rule of law my ass. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27459 Posts
On February 13 2021 01:39 Nevuk wrote: Trump's male. Male sexual indiscretions are not nearly as controversial as female ones within the socially conservative groups that are largely what back Q. Yeah also this I suppose too would absolutely tend to be the case. I’m not so sure much of anything matters in terms of transgressions to QAnon types, provided you’re fighting the good fight that they want you to against the Commies/elites/liberals wanting to destroy the nation etc. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/vHsPqpU.png) Trump's lawyer refuses to answer this question of course This whole session is a disaster though. The quality of argumentation of the lawyers left willing to defend Trump, and the quality of Trump's defense arguments as a whole are highly amusing if it weren't so apparent that it doesn't matter and he still won't get convicted. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On February 13 2021 01:39 Nevuk wrote: Trump's male. Male sexual indiscretions are not nearly as controversial as female ones within the socially conservative groups that are largely what back Q. Well, boys will be boys, as they're prone to say with, a matriarchal tut. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
His lawyers are still refusing to say if Trump or Biden won the 2020 election, also. Oh, and CNN just got an (even more) smoking gun for all of this, in a that Trump called McCarthy in the middle of the coup attempt and told him "They're just more upset than you are" Of course after all of this McCarthy flew down to Mar a Lago to kiss Trump's ring again, so who fucking knows at this point. “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy. McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump’s supporters and begged Trump to call them off. Trump’s comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, “Who the f–k do you think you are talking to?” according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call. [...] "You have to look at what he did during the insurrection to confirm where his mind was at," Herrera Beutler, one of 10 House Republicans who voted last month to impeach Trump, told CNN. "That line right there demonstrates to me that either he didn't care, which is impeachable, because you cannot allow an attack on your soil, or he wanted it to happen and was OK with it, which makes me so angry." https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
On February 13 2021 09:57 Nevuk wrote: You think witnesses would convince Republicans to convict?I think Trump's defense is basically forcing the senate to call witnesses. I don't think that's intentional, but it's the end effect of gish galloping easily disproven lies. (One of the claims from today were that Trump didn't know Pence was in the capitol... when there are many, many witnesses that he did). They also complained that impeachment managers were using too many media stories... which are all verifiable with witnesses. His lawyers are still refusing to say if Trump or Biden won the 2020 election, also. Oh, and CNN just got an (even more) smoking gun for all of this, in a that Trump called McCarthy in the middle of the coup attempt and told him "They're just more upset than you are" Of course after all of this McCarthy flew down to Mar a Lago to kiss Trump's ring again, so who fucking knows at this point. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html You think proving that Trump knew Pence was there would do anything at all to move the scales? | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States766 Posts
On February 13 2021 10:06 Gorsameth wrote: You think witnesses would convince Republicans to convict? You think proving that Trump knew Pence was there would do anything at all to move the scales? Are they still able to call witnesses at this point? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27459 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
The soul crushing reality that there is no one at the wheel, and there is no master plan, and that the TV show's script is written by a million monkeys with a million typewriters, will be rationalized away at all costs. Better that the man you voted for was beaten by the "bad guys" for now, because the show never ends and maybe he'll make a comeback in the 3rd act. This obviously isn't unique to the right, either. Trump just fed into it more than anyone else in the US has previously (except, possibly, Reagan). | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On February 13 2021 21:02 TheTenthDoc wrote: I think it's mostly because people want the system to be graspable, and Trump gives them that. People want the insanely complex global ecosystem to just be a TV show with "good guys" and "bad guys" whose plans have made things the way they are. Trump feeds into this, and also constantly says that he-and the "good guys"-are winning, or are about to win, and moreover you don't have to do anything-it's being taken care of by someone else. The soul crushing reality that there is no one at the wheel, and there is no master plan, and that the TV show's script is written by a million monkeys with a million typewriters, will be rationalized away at all costs. Better that the man you voted for was beaten by the "bad guys" for now, because the show never ends and maybe he'll make a comeback in the 3rd act. This obviously isn't unique to the right, either. Trump just fed into it more than anyone else in the US has previously (except, possibly, Reagan). Indeed, I think Trump is much easier to understand when one accepts that most people subconsciously construct their worldview with comfort and assurance as the goal. For those with rosy ideas of the past and a sense of whiplash in the face of a changing world, Trump offers a convenient explanation that avoids all of the toughest questions by boiling everything down into "us vs. them" dichotomies. That's also a big part of why Trump sees so much support from Evangelical Christians, a group that embraces a one-dimensional notion of Christianity that mixes Calvinistic "only the elect few will be saved" eschatology with a "faith alone" sorting mechanism that clearly delineates who belongs and who doesn't. If going to the right church, listening to the right people, and belonging to the right group are all that matters, one needn't critically engage with anything Trump says or does. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On February 13 2021 04:20 Archeon wrote: The whole treatment of whistleblower shows how much power the secret services actually have in the USA. Obama promised to open a path to make it legal, still pursued Snowden and Assange. Trump wanted to pardon Assange, then decides to pardon his 200 cronies instead. Biden's "justice" department appeals UK rulings. If any of this was about justice they'd sue the ones that created the mess worth leaking. But I guess working for the US gov basically gives you a free ticket do whatever horrible shit you want. It's pretty ironic how the same people that declare that "good people have nothing to hide" then pursue the people who show how much shit officials are hiding. Rule of law my ass. Assange is really no whistleblower contrarily to Snowden, and it's absolutely normal the US want to judge and punish him. I don't get that people don't understand that absolute transparency is a joke of an idea. Of course diplomatic communications are confidential. I mean, have you never had to negotiate anything? Rendering public thousands of diplomatic cables indiscriminately is spying 101, and there is absolutely no reason the US shouldn't try to get the guy. The only reason Trump wanted to pardon Assange is that he basically worked to get him elected. The case of Snowden is absolutely different of course. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10006 Posts
On February 13 2021 22:41 Biff The Understudy wrote: Assange is really no whistleblower contrarily to Snowden, and it's absolutely normal the US want to judge and punish him. I don't get that people don't understand that absolute transparency is a joke of an idea. Of course diplomatic communications are confidential. I mean, have you never had to negotiate anything? Rendering public thousands of diplomatic cables indiscriminately is spying 101, and there is absolutely no reason the US shouldn't try to get the guy. The only reason Trump wanted to pardon Assange is that he basically worked to get him elected. The case of Snowden is absolutely different of course. Assange is a foreign journalist living abroad. The US has absolutely no right to prosecute in those circumstances. They*should* have zero authority over him. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On February 13 2021 23:26 Jockmcplop wrote: Assange is a foreign journalist living abroad. The US has absolutely no right to prosecute in those circumstances. They*should* have zero authority over him. He really is not a journalist at all. Not by any stretch of the concept. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10006 Posts
On February 14 2021 00:11 Biff The Understudy wrote: He really is not a journalist at all. Not by any stretch of the concept. Define it how you want, my point still stands (imo the only difference between Assange and what you would call a journalist is that the information he leaked wasn't prepared and approved by the government) | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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