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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24204 Posts
October 28 2020 17:19 GMT
#56001
There's just so much news today that the Philly unrest is small potatoes on the national scale, I think.


Be super awkward if this led to Biden losing Pennsylvania.
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 28 2020 17:32 GMT
#56002
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 28 2020 17:39 GMT
#56003
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 28 2020 17:40 GMT
#56004
On October 29 2020 02:32 plasmidghost wrote:
Lots of final polls are coming out today. I assume at this point that there's not going to be anything drastic released damaging either campaign, so we'll probably be locked in for projections soon

I still think Barr will indict someone between now and November 3
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
October 28 2020 17:42 GMT
#56005
I distinctly remember the pundits raising alarms over the protesting, unrest and rioting in Kenosha as a sign that Biden would be losing Wisconsin and neighbouring Midwest/Rust Belt states. Didn't seen any of that happening because if anything, Biden's numbers rose in Wisconsin, and the incident in Philly doesn't have as much national controversy or a flashpoint over a self-defence matter as in Kenosha, so I don't think it will cascade into weaker numbers for anyone.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19371 Posts
October 28 2020 17:42 GMT
#56006
On October 29 2020 02:39 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 02:32 plasmidghost wrote:
Lots of final polls are coming out today. I assume at this point that there's not going to be anything drastic released damaging either campaign, so we'll probably be locked in for projections soon

Never underestimate the speed of the news cycle, we might have two bomb shells between now and the election!

I'm also not on the unrest in Philly is going to win something for Trump, at this point there is more people who believe he is causing unrest not going to solve it. It is not huge political news because it is probably a wash in regards to who it helps or hurts. Where as things like the bus or trump declaring Covid defeated are pretty freaking one sided.

I have zero confidence Trump will resolve the unrest. If he could do anything to handle it then he should have done it before waiting to be re-elected. If he's waiting till after the election and using this to his advantage, then that's about the worst thing possible.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
October 28 2020 17:44 GMT
#56007
I fully expect something the day before the election to try and be as fresh as humanly possible
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 28 2020 17:45 GMT
#56008
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14174 Posts
October 28 2020 18:00 GMT
#56009
On October 29 2020 02:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
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There's just so much news today that the Philly unrest is small potatoes on the national scale, I think.


Be super awkward if this led to Biden losing Pennsylvania.

God I can't even imagine the damage to BLM if Biden loses because he lost penn by a close margin. Everyone is going to blame BLM for 4 more years of trump.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
October 28 2020 18:19 GMT
#56010
On October 29 2020 03:00 Sermokala wrote:
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On October 29 2020 02:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
There's just so much news today that the Philly unrest is small potatoes on the national scale, I think.


Be super awkward if this led to Biden losing Pennsylvania.

God I can't even imagine the damage to BLM if Biden loses because he lost penn by a close margin. Everyone is going to blame BLM for 4 more years of trump.


Lol, people will be blaming BLM and Bernie for Trump, the thought hurts me but I legitimately think people will believe it if Trump wins again.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 28 2020 18:49 GMT
#56011
On October 28 2020 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On October 28 2020 19:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
How is the ACA, for example, that has changed the life of dozens of millions of people for the better "incremental change" that take us "the wrong direction"?

I mean I just don't get that.

Because you are just pointing to a single example, which is why I used the word 'trending'. I never said the dems were incapable of doing good, but inequality continues to rise, climate change disaster gets closer and closer and none of that has been anywhere close to being reversed even for a single day because of something a democrat has done.

Hence the distinction between things improving and things getting worse but slower.

But I'll agree, if you limit the scope of what we are talking about to only healthcare and ignore everything else, then yes, dems have improved things.


Well they are also opposed at every step by the other ruling party which insists climate change isn't real and that inequality is the fault of too much government and too little individual accountability.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 28 2020 19:06 GMT
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8152 Posts
October 28 2020 19:10 GMT
#56013
On October 28 2020 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2020 19:58 Biff The Understudy wrote:
How is the ACA, for example, that has changed the life of dozens of millions of people for the better "incremental change" that take us "the wrong direction"?

I mean I just don't get that.

Because you are just pointing to a single example, which is why I used the word 'trending'. I never said the dems were incapable of doing good, but inequality continues to rise, climate change disaster gets closer and closer and none of that has been anywhere close to being reversed even for a single day because of something a democrat has done.

Hence the distinction between things improving and things getting worse but slower.

But I'll agree, if you limit the scope of what we are talking about to only healthcare and ignore everything else, then yes, dems have improved things.

So let's talk about something else.

The environment? Obama signed the Paris accords and implemented hundred of pieces of legislations in favour of the environment. All got scrapped by Trump. Biden meanwhile has a 2 trillion (!) dollars plan for the environment.

How are those not steps in the right direction?

I can do the same with taxation, financial regulation, or whichever subject you want.

The problem is that the narrative that the Obama administration were a bunch of neoliberal villains making things worse is utter bullocks. And that was against some of the most stubborn and partisan opposition from the other guys who tried to sabotage every single of his move.

As for Biden, if people here bothered to read his goddamn platform maybe we wouldn't be losing so much time with bs narratives.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-28 19:15:16
October 28 2020 19:13 GMT
#56014
On October 29 2020 02:42 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2020 02:39 JimmiC wrote:
On October 29 2020 02:32 plasmidghost wrote:
Lots of final polls are coming out today. I assume at this point that there's not going to be anything drastic released damaging either campaign, so we'll probably be locked in for projections soon

Never underestimate the speed of the news cycle, we might have two bomb shells between now and the election!

I'm also not on the unrest in Philly is going to win something for Trump, at this point there is more people who believe he is causing unrest not going to solve it. It is not huge political news because it is probably a wash in regards to who it helps or hurts. Where as things like the bus or trump declaring Covid defeated are pretty freaking one sided.

I have zero confidence Trump will resolve the unrest. If he could do anything to handle it then he should have done it before waiting to be re-elected. If he's waiting till after the election and using this to his advantage, then that's about the worst thing possible.


To add to thing, at least anecdotally here in NC the Trump campaign has totally pivoted away from both the "Joe Biden is weak and forgetful" ads and the "Trump is the only one who can protect you from the rioters" ads. If they were rational actors I would say this is because the Trump protected you ads tested poorly because people watching see 1) the problems have gotten worse under Trump and 2) he's not doing jack shit to resolve the problem whatsoever.

Unfortunately I do not think the Trump campaign is rational actors, so it could just be that Trump woke up one day and decided to kill a strategy that his people knew internally was a good one in favor of a generic "Trump is good for businesses and Biden will raise taxes."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-28 19:44:14
October 28 2020 19:43 GMT
#56015
Some new polling provides support for Biden's decision to campaign in Georgia. It's also worth noting that Biden's recent stop in Warm Springs has historical precedent given that location's importance to FDR. Jimmy Carter announced his '76 campaign there as well iirc.

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has a single-digit lead over President Donald Trump in Georgia, according to a new survey of the Southern battleground.

A Monmouth University poll released Wednesday — six days from Election Day — reports that 50 percent of Georgia registered voters prefer Biden, while 45 percent favor Trump.

A Monmouth model forecasting a high level of voter turnout shows Biden leading Trump by 4 percentage points, 50-46 percent. Another model based on lower turnout tightens Biden’s lead over Trump to 2 points, 50-48 percent.

In the previous version of the Monmouth Georgia poll, published last month, Trump narrowly led Biden among registered voters, 47-46 percent; under the high likely turnout model, 48-46 percent; and under the low likely turnout model, 50-45 percent.

According to the RealClearPolitics average of recent Georgia surveys, conducted from Oct. 8-23, Trump leads Biden by less than 1 percentage point in the state. The latest Monmouth Georgia poll also shows Democrats running slightly ahead of their Republican opponents in the state’s pair of Senate races.

Incumbent Republican Sen. David Perdue trails Democrat Jon Ossoff by 3 percentage points among registered voters, 49-46 percent. The high likely turnout model has Ossoff leading, 49-47 percent, as does the low likely turnout model, 49-48 percent.

A plurality of registered voters, 41 percent, support Democrat Raphael Warnock in the special election for incumbent Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler’s seat. Loeffler has 21 percent support, and Republican Doug Collins has 18 percent.

Warnock still leads under the high likely turnout model, with 41 percent support to Loeffler’s 22 percent and Collins’ 19 percent. And under the low likely turnout model, Warnock has 42 percent support, Loeffler has 22 percent, and Collins has 20 percent.

The two Senate contests — either of which could determine whether Democrats retake control of the chamber — will advance to runoffs in January 2021 if no candidate wins a majority of the vote next week.

The Monmouth poll was conducted Oct. 23-27, surveying 504 Georgia registered voters with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points.


Poll: Biden has 5-point edge in Georgia
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-28 20:18:10
October 28 2020 20:00 GMT
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Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
October 28 2020 20:19 GMT
#56017
So new pool out of Wisconsin has Biden 17 points ahead 57 to 40. And this is an A+ rated firm from 538. God the Republicans are in for bloodbath if that trend is true. I know 2016 happened but it is hard not feel good about this. Also in Texas a you have huge numbers of young voter so you know almost all of those are going to Biden.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-28 20:26:08
October 28 2020 20:25 GMT
#56018
Remember that idiotic "anonymous" letter with "lodestar" in it?
Person who wrote it came out publicly. Was a lot less senior than was speculated at the time (Chief of Staff of DHS).

Just posting for anyone still curious about it... I highly doubt it will move the needle on anything.

WASHINGTON (AP) — A former Trump administration official who penned a scathing anti-Trump op-ed and book under the pen name “Anonymous” made his identify public Wednesday.

Miles Taylor, a former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security says in a tweet: “Donald Trump is a man without character. It’s why I wrote ‘A Warning’ ... and it’s why me & my colleagues have spoken out against him (in our own names) for months. It’s time for everyone to step out of the shadows.”

Taylor has been an outspoken critic of Trump’s in recent months, and he has a contributor contract on CNN.

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-d607d4bc80a1f7afa7e3292b1a2e10de

Also, Ratcliffe's remarks about how Iran was meddling to help Democrats (by threatening democrats who didn't vote for Trump) were unplanned and the FBI and DHS directors would not have participated if they had known he was going to add that part or leave the proud boys out of it (he went off script, basically). So yet more reason to doubt any information coming in the next few days from the Trump administration.
Wray and Krebs stood behind Ratcliffe as he addressed the public, supportive of the general intention to alert voters to a malicious influence operation. But they were surprised by Ractliffe’s political aside, which had not appeared in the prepared text, the officials said.

The press conference centered around menacing emails that had been sent to Democratic voters warning them to vote for Trump “or we will come after you.”

Ratcliffe attributed the emails to Iran but said they were “designed to intimidate voters, incite social unrest, and damage President Trump,” raising immediate questions about how threatening Democrats to vote for Trump could be aimed at damaging the president’s re-election bid — and how the intelligence community had made that determination within 24 hours of the messages.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/john-ratcliffe-iran-433375
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24784 Posts
October 28 2020 20:31 GMT
#56019
On October 29 2020 05:19 Shingi11 wrote:
Also in Texas a you have huge numbers of young voter so you know almost all of those are going to Biden.

Why do you think it's "almost all"? I agree young voters will skew towards Biden more than other generations, but "almost all" requires some justification. There are going to be plenty of young conservatives coming from conservative families who won't vote for Biden (whether or not they vote for Trump, although plenty of that group will).
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-28 20:37:08
October 28 2020 20:35 GMT
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