There's just so much news today that the Philly unrest is small potatoes on the national scale, I think.
Be super awkward if this led to Biden losing Pennsylvania.
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GreenHorizons
United States21792 Posts
October 28 2020 17:19 GMT
#56001
There's just so much news today that the Philly unrest is small potatoes on the national scale, I think. Be super awkward if this led to Biden losing Pennsylvania. | ||
plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
October 28 2020 17:32 GMT
#56002
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JimmiC
Canada22816 Posts
October 28 2020 17:39 GMT
#56003
On October 29 2020 02:32 plasmidghost wrote: Lots of final polls are coming out today. I assume at this point that there's not going to be anything drastic released damaging either campaign, so we'll probably be locked in for projections soon Never underestimate the speed of the news cycle, we might have two bomb shells between now and the election! I'm also not on the unrest in Philly is going to win something for Trump, at this point there is more people who believe he is causing unrest not going to solve it. It is not huge political news because it is probably a wash in regards to who it helps or hurts. Where as things like the bus or trump declaring Covid defeated are pretty freaking one sided. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15082 Posts
October 28 2020 17:40 GMT
#56004
On October 29 2020 02:32 plasmidghost wrote: Lots of final polls are coming out today. I assume at this point that there's not going to be anything drastic released damaging either campaign, so we'll probably be locked in for projections soon I still think Barr will indict someone between now and November 3 | ||
PhoenixVoid
Canada32725 Posts
October 28 2020 17:42 GMT
#56005
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19035 Posts
October 28 2020 17:42 GMT
#56006
On October 29 2020 02:39 JimmiC wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2020 02:32 plasmidghost wrote: Lots of final polls are coming out today. I assume at this point that there's not going to be anything drastic released damaging either campaign, so we'll probably be locked in for projections soon Never underestimate the speed of the news cycle, we might have two bomb shells between now and the election! I'm also not on the unrest in Philly is going to win something for Trump, at this point there is more people who believe he is causing unrest not going to solve it. It is not huge political news because it is probably a wash in regards to who it helps or hurts. Where as things like the bus or trump declaring Covid defeated are pretty freaking one sided. I have zero confidence Trump will resolve the unrest. If he could do anything to handle it then he should have done it before waiting to be re-elected. If he's waiting till after the election and using this to his advantage, then that's about the worst thing possible. | ||
Zambrah
United States6832 Posts
October 28 2020 17:44 GMT
#56007
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
October 28 2020 17:45 GMT
#56008
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Sermokala
United States13542 Posts
October 28 2020 18:00 GMT
#56009
On October 29 2020 02:19 GreenHorizons wrote: Show nested quote + There's just so much news today that the Philly unrest is small potatoes on the national scale, I think. Be super awkward if this led to Biden losing Pennsylvania. God I can't even imagine the damage to BLM if Biden loses because he lost penn by a close margin. Everyone is going to blame BLM for 4 more years of trump. | ||
Zambrah
United States6832 Posts
October 28 2020 18:19 GMT
#56010
On October 29 2020 03:00 Sermokala wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2020 02:19 GreenHorizons wrote: There's just so much news today that the Philly unrest is small potatoes on the national scale, I think. Be super awkward if this led to Biden losing Pennsylvania. God I can't even imagine the damage to BLM if Biden loses because he lost penn by a close margin. Everyone is going to blame BLM for 4 more years of trump. Lol, people will be blaming BLM and Bernie for Trump, the thought hurts me but I legitimately think people will believe it if Trump wins again. | ||
Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
October 28 2020 18:49 GMT
#56011
On October 28 2020 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On October 28 2020 19:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: How is the ACA, for example, that has changed the life of dozens of millions of people for the better "incremental change" that take us "the wrong direction"? I mean I just don't get that. Because you are just pointing to a single example, which is why I used the word 'trending'. I never said the dems were incapable of doing good, but inequality continues to rise, climate change disaster gets closer and closer and none of that has been anywhere close to being reversed even for a single day because of something a democrat has done. Hence the distinction between things improving and things getting worse but slower. But I'll agree, if you limit the scope of what we are talking about to only healthcare and ignore everything else, then yes, dems have improved things. Well they are also opposed at every step by the other ruling party which insists climate change isn't real and that inequality is the fault of too much government and too little individual accountability. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22816 Posts
October 28 2020 19:06 GMT
#56012
On October 29 2020 03:49 Starlightsun wrote: Show nested quote + On October 28 2020 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote: On October 28 2020 19:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: How is the ACA, for example, that has changed the life of dozens of millions of people for the better "incremental change" that take us "the wrong direction"? I mean I just don't get that. Because you are just pointing to a single example, which is why I used the word 'trending'. I never said the dems were incapable of doing good, but inequality continues to rise, climate change disaster gets closer and closer and none of that has been anywhere close to being reversed even for a single day because of something a democrat has done. Hence the distinction between things improving and things getting worse but slower. But I'll agree, if you limit the scope of what we are talking about to only healthcare and ignore everything else, then yes, dems have improved things. Well they are also opposed at every step by the other ruling party which insists climate change isn't real and that inequality is the fault of too much government and too little individual accountability. Correct, if Hillary had been elected the environment would have been better off than with Trump. While he rolled back protections she promised to increase some. I can't think of a issue that has gotten better because of Trump that the left cares about. And the supreme court is a huge example of how long it will take to undo some of the damage Trump has done. There is a huge chasm between the parties right now. People can vote for who they like, but no difference is a insane position with the two current candidates and parties. Neither being exactly what one wants could certainly be the case. | ||
Biff The Understudy
France7653 Posts
October 28 2020 19:10 GMT
#56013
On October 28 2020 20:04 Jockmcplop wrote: Show nested quote + On October 28 2020 19:58 Biff The Understudy wrote: How is the ACA, for example, that has changed the life of dozens of millions of people for the better "incremental change" that take us "the wrong direction"? I mean I just don't get that. Because you are just pointing to a single example, which is why I used the word 'trending'. I never said the dems were incapable of doing good, but inequality continues to rise, climate change disaster gets closer and closer and none of that has been anywhere close to being reversed even for a single day because of something a democrat has done. Hence the distinction between things improving and things getting worse but slower. But I'll agree, if you limit the scope of what we are talking about to only healthcare and ignore everything else, then yes, dems have improved things. So let's talk about something else. The environment? Obama signed the Paris accords and implemented hundred of pieces of legislations in favour of the environment. All got scrapped by Trump. Biden meanwhile has a 2 trillion (!) dollars plan for the environment. How are those not steps in the right direction? I can do the same with taxation, financial regulation, or whichever subject you want. The problem is that the narrative that the Obama administration were a bunch of neoliberal villains making things worse is utter bullocks. And that was against some of the most stubborn and partisan opposition from the other guys who tried to sabotage every single of his move. As for Biden, if people here bothered to read his goddamn platform maybe we wouldn't be losing so much time with bs narratives. | ||
TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
October 28 2020 19:13 GMT
#56014
On October 29 2020 02:42 BisuDagger wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2020 02:39 JimmiC wrote: On October 29 2020 02:32 plasmidghost wrote: Lots of final polls are coming out today. I assume at this point that there's not going to be anything drastic released damaging either campaign, so we'll probably be locked in for projections soon Never underestimate the speed of the news cycle, we might have two bomb shells between now and the election! I'm also not on the unrest in Philly is going to win something for Trump, at this point there is more people who believe he is causing unrest not going to solve it. It is not huge political news because it is probably a wash in regards to who it helps or hurts. Where as things like the bus or trump declaring Covid defeated are pretty freaking one sided. I have zero confidence Trump will resolve the unrest. If he could do anything to handle it then he should have done it before waiting to be re-elected. If he's waiting till after the election and using this to his advantage, then that's about the worst thing possible. To add to thing, at least anecdotally here in NC the Trump campaign has totally pivoted away from both the "Joe Biden is weak and forgetful" ads and the "Trump is the only one who can protect you from the rioters" ads. If they were rational actors I would say this is because the Trump protected you ads tested poorly because people watching see 1) the problems have gotten worse under Trump and 2) he's not doing jack shit to resolve the problem whatsoever. Unfortunately I do not think the Trump campaign is rational actors, so it could just be that Trump woke up one day and decided to kill a strategy that his people knew internally was a good one in favor of a generic "Trump is good for businesses and Biden will raise taxes." | ||
farvacola
United States18768 Posts
October 28 2020 19:43 GMT
#56015
Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has a single-digit lead over President Donald Trump in Georgia, according to a new survey of the Southern battleground. A Monmouth University poll released Wednesday — six days from Election Day — reports that 50 percent of Georgia registered voters prefer Biden, while 45 percent favor Trump. A Monmouth model forecasting a high level of voter turnout shows Biden leading Trump by 4 percentage points, 50-46 percent. Another model based on lower turnout tightens Biden’s lead over Trump to 2 points, 50-48 percent. In the previous version of the Monmouth Georgia poll, published last month, Trump narrowly led Biden among registered voters, 47-46 percent; under the high likely turnout model, 48-46 percent; and under the low likely turnout model, 50-45 percent. According to the RealClearPolitics average of recent Georgia surveys, conducted from Oct. 8-23, Trump leads Biden by less than 1 percentage point in the state. The latest Monmouth Georgia poll also shows Democrats running slightly ahead of their Republican opponents in the state’s pair of Senate races. Incumbent Republican Sen. David Perdue trails Democrat Jon Ossoff by 3 percentage points among registered voters, 49-46 percent. The high likely turnout model has Ossoff leading, 49-47 percent, as does the low likely turnout model, 49-48 percent. A plurality of registered voters, 41 percent, support Democrat Raphael Warnock in the special election for incumbent Republican Sen. Kelly Loeffler’s seat. Loeffler has 21 percent support, and Republican Doug Collins has 18 percent. Warnock still leads under the high likely turnout model, with 41 percent support to Loeffler’s 22 percent and Collins’ 19 percent. And under the low likely turnout model, Warnock has 42 percent support, Loeffler has 22 percent, and Collins has 20 percent. The two Senate contests — either of which could determine whether Democrats retake control of the chamber — will advance to runoffs in January 2021 if no candidate wins a majority of the vote next week. The Monmouth poll was conducted Oct. 23-27, surveying 504 Georgia registered voters with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.4 percentage points. Poll: Biden has 5-point edge in Georgia | ||
plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
October 28 2020 20:00 GMT
#56016
We also only have ~900k mail ballots to count, so as I mentioned earlier, expect results to come quickly after 9 pm Eastern, unless the sheer volume of in-person votes overwhelms the state https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html | ||
Shingi11
290 Posts
October 28 2020 20:19 GMT
#56017
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
October 28 2020 20:25 GMT
#56018
Person who wrote it came out publicly. Was a lot less senior than was speculated at the time (Chief of Staff of DHS). Just posting for anyone still curious about it... I highly doubt it will move the needle on anything. WASHINGTON (AP) — A former Trump administration official who penned a scathing anti-Trump op-ed and book under the pen name “Anonymous” made his identify public Wednesday. Miles Taylor, a former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security says in a tweet: “Donald Trump is a man without character. It’s why I wrote ‘A Warning’ ... and it’s why me & my colleagues have spoken out against him (in our own names) for months. It’s time for everyone to step out of the shadows.” Taylor has been an outspoken critic of Trump’s in recent months, and he has a contributor contract on CNN. https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-d607d4bc80a1f7afa7e3292b1a2e10de Also, Ratcliffe's remarks about how Iran was meddling to help Democrats (by threatening democrats who didn't vote for Trump) were unplanned and the FBI and DHS directors would not have participated if they had known he was going to add that part or leave the proud boys out of it (he went off script, basically). So yet more reason to doubt any information coming in the next few days from the Trump administration. Wray and Krebs stood behind Ratcliffe as he addressed the public, supportive of the general intention to alert voters to a malicious influence operation. But they were surprised by Ractliffe’s political aside, which had not appeared in the prepared text, the officials said. The press conference centered around menacing emails that had been sent to Democratic voters warning them to vote for Trump “or we will come after you.” Ratcliffe attributed the emails to Iran but said they were “designed to intimidate voters, incite social unrest, and damage President Trump,” raising immediate questions about how threatening Democrats to vote for Trump could be aimed at damaging the president’s re-election bid — and how the intelligence community had made that determination within 24 hours of the messages. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/john-ratcliffe-iran-433375 | ||
micronesia
United States24342 Posts
October 28 2020 20:31 GMT
#56019
On October 29 2020 05:19 Shingi11 wrote: Also in Texas a you have huge numbers of young voter so you know almost all of those are going to Biden. Why do you think it's "almost all"? I agree young voters will skew towards Biden more than other generations, but "almost all" requires some justification. There are going to be plenty of young conservatives coming from conservative families who won't vote for Biden (whether or not they vote for Trump, although plenty of that group will). | ||
plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
October 28 2020 20:35 GMT
#56020
On October 29 2020 05:31 micronesia wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2020 05:19 Shingi11 wrote: Also in Texas a you have huge numbers of young voter so you know almost all of those are going to Biden. Why do you think it's "almost all"? I agree young voters will skew towards Biden more than other generations, but "almost all" requires some justification. There are going to be plenty of young conservatives coming from conservative families who won't vote for Biden (whether or not they vote for Trump, although plenty of that group will). I can second this. A lot of us are pretty conservative (definitely not a majority, but maybe around 35-45%) and it will be great to see exit polls by demographics to get a clear number on that Also, I'm genuinely surprised by this. Dem PACs have dumped a few million into our Senate race, even though Cornyn is doing really well here (538 projects him at an 88% chance to win). As much as I'd love to see him go, I doubt Hegar can beat him | ||
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