EPTAlso, I really don't think people are going to care too much about a sexting scandal nowadays. There's going to be a few concern trolls clutching their pearls on twitter and on TV but this'll probably become a non-issue really quickly.
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
Also, I really don't think people are going to care too much about a sexting scandal nowadays. There's going to be a few concern trolls clutching their pearls on twitter and on TV but this'll probably become a non-issue really quickly. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 03 2020 13:11 micronesia wrote: As long as he didn't bodyslam a reporter he should be good. Even if he did.... he should be good. I'd be a little more worried. It isn't New York or California, that might have your attitude towards cheating on wives. It's North Carolina. This can change the game. He's a big values-and-hard-work candidate and has been outpolling Biden. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Generic sexting isn't going to count as a major scandal. May cost 3-4%. His opponent was dumb enough to pal around with known covid carriers, so he's especially likely to be fine. It's also such a busy news cycle that it may literally blow over. It isn't even the most important news about a candidate in that specific race today. Edit: Trump's campaign manager also has it https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/02/trump-campaign-manager-tests-positive-for-covid-19-425722 | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 03 2020 13:51 Danglars wrote: I'd be a little more worried. It isn't New York or California, that might have your attitude towards cheating on wives. It's North Carolina. This can change the game. He's a big values-and-hard-work candidate and has been outpolling Biden. I guess the president hasn't cheated on his multiple wives, nor ever "grabbed em by the pussy". | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8745 Posts
On a bit of a different note, rather strong words from Chris Wallace via @NYT And they were made against Fox colleagues and rebukes of the half arsed measures and playing politics with a pandemic. Chris Wallace, the Fox News anchor who sat within 12 feet of President Trump while moderating Tuesday’s presidential debate in Cleveland, has some stark advice for his network’s viewers: “Wear the damn mask.” . . . “Follow the science,” Mr. Wallace said. “If I could say one thing to all of the people out there watching: Forget the politics. This is a public safety health issue.” . . . “I’m going to say something and, folks, I’m just trying to give you the truth,” Mr. Wallace said. “Dr. Scott Atlas is not an epidemiologist, is not an infectious disease expert — he has no training in this area at all. There are a number of top people on the president’s coronavirus task force who have had grave concerns about Scott Atlas and his scientific bona fides.” “I know I’m going to get a lot of pushback from this,” Mr. Wallace continued, adding: “Listen to people like Anthony Fauci, listen to people like Deborah Birx, who have been largely cut off. Listen to the independent people who do not have a political ax to grind, and I frankly don’t think Scott Atlas is one of those people.” . . . “I’m going to say something and, folks, I’m just trying to give you the truth,” Mr. Wallace said. “Dr. Scott Atlas is not an epidemiologist, is not an infectious disease expert — he has no training in this area at all. There are a number of top people on the president’s coronavirus task force who have had grave concerns about Scott Atlas and his scientific bona fides.” . . . In a later appearance on Friday, Mr. Wallace pushed back when a Fox News panelist, Melissa Francis, asked him how the president’s positive test might affect Mr. Biden’s campaigning strategy. “That’s not the story today,” Mr. Wallace said, adding: “To me the takeaway of this whole thing is to follow the science.” For a Fox guy, that is pushing back hard. //edit: Not that it will matter, one voice that found reason in a sea full of Hannitys and Carlsons won't make a dent. But it is remarkable nonetheless. typos - need coffee lol | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
In short, if what you are wearing makes you feel less masculine, you were never masculine to begin with. You never had a deep sense of confidence and self-assuredness. It was all surface level. People really do feel a deeper sense of confidence, it is possible. Its just that for so many people, they've never even known what that feels like. Being raised by insecure men with really rigid views of masculinity happened because those men were just as broken. Shitty dads tend to keep things going. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:07 Starlightsun wrote: I guess the president hasn't cheated on his multiple wives, nor ever "grabbed em by the pussy". If you're holding your politicians to just Trump's example, then why criticize Trump? | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:30 Danglars wrote: If you're holding your politicians to just Trump's example, then why criticize Trump? We are talking about North Carolina voters, not me. You're the one saying that they get terribly upset about politicians cheating on their wives, unlike the libertines in New York and California. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:30 Danglars wrote: If you're holding your politicians to just Trump's example, then why criticize Trump? It goes the other way too, and begs to ask why this is supposed to be a story when the people raising these concerns seem to have no problem with Trump's example. You don't see a problem there, why do you see one here? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:30 Danglars wrote: If you're holding your politicians to just Trump's example, then why criticize Trump? No one is using Trump as a golden standard, just pointing out that our culture has shifted a lot on the topic, largely due to how normalized it has become due to Trump. Another thing is that there was already a large portion of people who saw cheating politicians as a bad thing and yet also not super relevant. Someone's sexuality is their own deal and people can be sexual in a lot of ways that have absolutely no impact on other parts of their lives. Furries can yiff on each other in hotel rooms and then go to work the next day. I see people who cheat as deeply unethical people, but politicians are not role models. To me, a politician is just an individual contributor much like a lawyer or doctor or engineer. I want one that will do what I want them to do. I don't want them to commit crimes or be bad people, but it depends on what they do. Someone hitting their wife is 999999999x worse than cheating on their wife. Sexual stuff can be an addiction and there's just so much we don't necessarily know. In short, a politician cheating does not completely invalidate their use to me. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:36 Mohdoo wrote: No one is using Trump as a golden standard, just pointing out that our culture has shifted a lot on the topic, largely due to how normalized it has become due to Trump. Another thing is that there was already a large portion of people who saw cheating politicians as a bad thing and yet also not super relevant. Someone's sexuality is their own deal and people can be sexual in a lot of ways that have absolutely no impact on other parts of their lives. Furries can yiff on each other in hotel rooms and then go to work the next day. I see people who cheat as deeply unethical people, but politicians are not role models. To me, a politician is just an individual contributor much like a lawyer or doctor or engineer. I want one that will do what I want them to do. I don't want them to commit crimes or be bad people, but it depends on what they do. Someone hitting their wife is 999999999x worse than cheating on their wife. Sexual stuff can be an addiction and there's just so much we don't necessarily know. In short, a politician cheating does not completely invalidate their use to me. You can say the politicians are not role models again. People think I gotta take my ethics from Trump in order to vote for him. But I digress. If Cunningham's challenger (Tillis) can make the better case to represent what North Carolina cares about, he should earn people's votes. The margins are small enough to maybe make it matter. I do think Trump lost votes on the "grab 'em by the pussy" tapes, but he also had some tailwinds on issues of political elites running roughshod over common Americans social issues and healthcare and opinions. Trump was a response to a corrupt and spineless GOP establishment, which served as a bulwark against scandal ... and so might be (if I'm wrong) Cunningham's importance in appointee confirmations or other issues. (Disagree with your 999999999x comparison, but that's mostly a personal values choice that's not worth debating) | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:44 Danglars wrote: (Disagree with your 999999999x comparison, but that's mostly a personal values choice that's not worth debating) I should clarify that the reason I say this is there is no conceivable situation where violence is an accepted part of a relationship. There are times where couples are swingers or in an open relationship, and one gets caught, but chooses not to rat the other out and let them keep the image of of being monogamous. Legitimately cheating in an agreed upon committed relationship is one of the worst things someone can do to another person. But since relationships and sexuality tend to be deeply personal, I always take a "who knows" approach unless I know the people very well. Some relationships are totally fine with flirting right until the point of contact. Certainly not me. My wife and I are very firm on exclusivity. It would perhaps be the worst thing that could happen to me if my wife cheated on me. On the other hand, violence is strictly terrible and there aren't alternative lifestyles where its like "yeah he punches me in the face sometimes, I love it when he calls me worthless and then shoves me". | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:30 Danglars wrote: If you're holding your politicians to just Trump's example, then why criticize Trump? Well we’re pretty much at that point. Reminder that someone of high political office wore blackface and got away with it. Pandora’s box is open and no one cares anymore. Heck no one even really cares about Trump’s tweets anymore or what he does with the Whitehouse. Is it any surprise something like 30% of Democrats and Republicans are at the point that violence against their opponents might be justifiable? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:54 StalkerTL wrote: Well we’re pretty much at that point. Reminder that someone of high political office wore blackface and got away with it. Pandora’s box is open and no one cares anymore. Heck no one even really cares about Trump’s tweets anymore or what he does with the Whitehouse. Is it any surprise something like 30% of Democrats and Republicans are at the point that violence against their opponents might be justifiable? I also think it's highly disingenuous to act like someone sexting with another woman is comparable to all of the shit Trump has done to desecrate his office. Adultery is just the start. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:59 NewSunshine wrote: I also think it's highly disingenuous to act like someone sexting with another woman is comparable to all of the shit Trump has done to desecrate his office. Adultery is just the start. I agree but the wider point I’m making is that if a large chunk of people clearly have no qualms about Trump because he’s their guy, people are going to maintain a similar means of determining the quality of their candidates and dig their heels in to back their guy no matter how awful they are. We’re seeing it in the ever increasing warnings from the Democrats that they’re going to stack the courts. The norms and values that governed our society are nothing but ash right now, no one has any patience for the status quo as much as Biden seems to want to bring America to a pre-Trump time. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Wallace: ... if Senate Republicans, go ahead and confirm justice Barrett, there has been talk about ending the filibuster, or even packing the court, adding to the nine justices there. You call this a distraction by the president, but in fact it wasn't brought up by the President, it was brought up by some of your Democratic colleagues in Congress. So my question to you as you have refused in the past to talk about it: Are you willing to tell the American people tonight, whether or not you will support either ending the filibuster or packing the court. Biden: Whatever position I take on that, that'll become the issue -- the issue is, the American people should speak. Biden was asked for a fourth time after the debate, Biden: You know, that’s exactly what they want me to talk about so we don’t talk about how they’re violating the Constitution now. I’m not going to play Trump’s game. One big 'oof' there. He doesn't really have a wrong answer on yes or no. Both are better than a studied ambivalence. He must be so sure that he's going to win that it won't matter anyways, or at least his advisors have told him that. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2790 Posts
On October 03 2020 15:38 Danglars wrote: Biden really should've given an answer on whether or not he was going to sign legislation that packs the courts. If he says no, he flexes his moderate cred and "I am the Democratic party" prepped line. If he says yes, then he can excite the Bernie Sanders base into showing up to vote for somebody they might otherwise stay home for (because he's just gonna do the same corporate interest/no radical legislation track). Biden was asked for a fourth time after the debate, One big 'oof' there. He doesn't really have a wrong answer on yes or no. Both are better than a studied ambivalence. He must be so sure that he's going to win that it won't matter anyways, or at least his advisors have told him that. Or he just doesn't want commit to either option which is smart. It's a "do you feel lucky punk" moment for Mcconnel. No one knows exactly what is going to happen in the future in politics (see Trum getting Covid). No way of telling how things shake out after the election. The republicans want him to commit so they can use it before or after the election but there is absolutely no reason to do so. There are other people in the party who can talk about packing courts and ending the filibuster and pave the way to possibly do it so it's easy to pull the trigger if you have to, or choose not to do it if that feels better. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8082 Posts
On October 03 2020 14:28 Mohdoo wrote: The interesting thing about it being "political" is that it all started from how fragile conservative masculinity is. Just like all other cultures based on shame and punishment, people end up pretty damn insecure and don't even really realize it. If you feel like you look silly wearing a mask, you're super duper insecure. If it feels normal to feel that way, it only shows how deep it goes. A mask can be uncomfortable, but to feel self conscious wearing one shows clear need for self improvement. In short, if what you are wearing makes you feel less masculine, you were never masculine to begin with. You never had a deep sense of confidence and self-assuredness. It was all surface level. People really do feel a deeper sense of confidence, it is possible. Its just that for so many people, they've never even known what that feels like. Being raised by insecure men with really rigid views of masculinity happened because those men were just as broken. Shitty dads tend to keep things going. Couldn't agree more with all of that. There is something broken with masculinity anyway. That never apologizing, never admitting you are wrong, never backing off is seen as strong and masculine is also sign of how deeply insecure so many men are and how hollow their idea of masculinity is. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2879 Posts
On October 03 2020 15:38 Danglars wrote: Biden really should've given an answer on whether or not he was going to sign legislation that packs the courts. If he says no, he flexes his moderate cred and "I am the Democratic party" prepped line. If he says yes, then he can excite the Bernie Sanders base into showing up to vote for somebody they might otherwise stay home for (because he's just gonna do the same corporate interest/no radical legislation track). Biden was asked for a fourth time after the debate, One big 'oof' there. He doesn't really have a wrong answer on yes or no. Both are better than a studied ambivalence. He must be so sure that he's going to win that it won't matter anyways, or at least his advisors have told him that. I disagree. I think this strategy is appropriate for the situation. If he had committed either way, as he says, it would dominate the news cycle and distract from Trump digging his own hole. For people on the left, just being 'not Trump' is enough motivation to vote; and if it's not, frankly, they were never going to vote for him anyway -- so that doesn't really get him extra votes on that side; I mean I genuinely think even GH would vote Biden if he was in a swing state! That only leaves moderate republicans, or the fabled independents and neither group will be turned off by his non-answer. However, ensuring that Trump has the spotlight pretty much ensures that he will do further damage to his re-election chances so overall it's a win. Let's be honest, Trump only does well when he has a clear, easy attack target; the issue with Biden is that the only thing that seems to have stuck to him is the gaffes, and just by not gaffing he's exceeding expectations which leaves little to attack him on. | ||
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