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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 02 2020 23:10 GMT
#53941
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 02 2020 23:14 GMT
#53942
On October 03 2020 08:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2020 07:51 Erasme wrote:
On October 03 2020 07:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Trumps walk looked fine and he seems ok in this message video too


This video looks _very_ fake.
i guess it's just because i'm not used to him using a green background.

? it's a white wall with paintings as background. Also what would be fake about him talking to a camera for 18 seconds.He walked to the helicopter on live TV looking ok.

Show nested quote +
On October 03 2020 07:58 Nevuk wrote:
Biden's campaign is pivoting to only positive ads, saying it has nothing to do with Trump's hospitalization.

Personally, this is a smart move, as there's no real need to run negative ads against Trump. He has so many vulnerabilities that even the less-informed than average voter will be aware of them.


I don't know. It's a very serious election, holding back on ads seems naive. Polls may look good but lets remember 2016 and 'the win % needle' greatly favoring Hillary. No reason to attack him being sick or anything but they should definitely still point out all the shitty things he's done in office.

Other people will do that for them. Every day there's a new leak or story about something shitty Trump or his fellows have done.

Part of Hillary's issue was relying too heavily on negative ads, which gave the perception that she was running on "I'm not Trump and I also have no policies".
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28797 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 23:43:59
October 02 2020 23:25 GMT
#53943
On October 03 2020 08:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2020 07:51 Erasme wrote:
On October 03 2020 07:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Trumps walk looked fine and he seems ok in this message video too

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312158400352972800

This video looks _very_ fake.
i guess it's just because i'm not used to him using a green background.

? it's a white wall with paintings as background. Also what would be fake about him talking to a camera for 18 seconds.He walked to the helicopter on live TV looking ok.

Show nested quote +
On October 03 2020 07:58 Nevuk wrote:
Biden's campaign is pivoting to only positive ads, saying it has nothing to do with Trump's hospitalization.

Personally, this is a smart move, as there's no real need to run negative ads against Trump. He has so many vulnerabilities that even the less-informed than average voter will be aware of them.

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1312146075113807872

I don't know. It's a very serious election, holding back on ads seems naive. Polls may look good but lets remember 2016 and 'the win % needle' greatly favoring Hillary. No reason to attack him being sick or anything but they should definitely still point out all the shitty things he's done in office.


It's not something they are doing to be nice and increase Trump's chances at election, it's reading the situation that too negative attack ads while the guy is infected with covid goes against the message of 'restoring decency to america'.

I mean, whether it's a smart choice or not can be up for debate, but my opinion, I'm thinking good choice.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 02 2020 23:42 GMT
#53944
If I had to bet I'd think this is a calculated move partly based on the fact that the positive ads are performing way better among their target demos than the negative ones-this is a great opportunity to generate press about their campaign while pulling back on something they aren't seeing returns on. At least anecdotally the positive Biden ads I've seen have been way more effective than the anti-Trump ones.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45937 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 23:49:42
October 02 2020 23:45 GMT
#53945
On October 03 2020 07:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Trumps walk looked fine and he seems ok in this message video too

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312158400352972800


This was posted only an hour ago? That he's *going to* Walter Reed? Future tense? He was already being flown there at least *two* hours ago (or was it last night?), which makes me a little suspicious, tbh. It's probably a fake background and/or was probably made several hours ago, but only posted now to keep up the illusion that he's doing just fine right this second.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 02 2020 23:52 GMT
#53946
So according to at least this article, it looks like the most likely plaguespreading event is the Supreme Court nomination announcement from last Saturday. The attendance roster, and the lax safety measures, point to as much.

It is looking increasingly possible that Saturday’s White House ceremony in which president Donald Trump named his nominee for the vacancy on the Supreme Court may have been a coronavirus superspreader event.

Video emerged on Friday of Republican Senator Mike Lee of Utah, who has since tested positive for the virus, enthusiastically hugging other attendees. He is also seen holding his mask in his hand.

Almost no one is seen wearing a mask at the Rose Garden announcement that Judge Amy Coney Barrett is nominated to the court.

Judge Barrett’s colleague, the president of Notre Dame Reverend John Jenkins has also tested positive. In an email to students, faculty, and staff, he wrote: “I regret my error of judgment in not wearing a mask during the ceremony and by shaking hands with a number of people in the Rose Garden.”

A Trump administration press staffer and a journalist have also tested positive, but are unidentified at present.

Source

Of all the circumstances under which we could see a big uptick in high-profile cases, that one seems to be one of the most sensible. Lines up quite well with the timeline from presymptomatic to positive test result and actively ill.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-03 00:32:51
October 02 2020 23:54 GMT
#53947
Pence subbed in for Trump in a phone call to the governors today so he could be feeling a little worse than his earlier tweet and walk seems to imply.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/519360-pence-subbed-in-for-trump-on-call-with-governors-after-presidents

I don't mean to imply that he's in critical condition, only that he's probably a little worse off than he appeared to the public.

EDIT: It has been reported Trump is having difficulty breathing

https://mobile.twitter.com/KyleKulinski/status/1312183885879341056
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-03 00:36:48
October 03 2020 00:34 GMT
#53948
On October 03 2020 07:48 Danglars wrote:
Trump tweets out a video & walks unassisted to the helicopter. There is now less of a change that this was an urgent need rather than an extra precaution.


That’s basically Boris Johnson in a nutshell. This hits the cardiovascular. Boris was OK self isolating at home and in good spirits until he suddenly wasn’t, went to the hospital as a precaution and was forced into the ICU for 3 days. He still looks like shit months later.

As an aside, looks like the whole Whitehouse is a super spreader event.



Total unsurprising because these are the type of people to mock Biden for social distancing and wearing the biggest mask in the world but here we are.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 03 2020 00:52 GMT
#53949
This could complicate Republican efforts to rush through Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation before the election. There's still time for Mike Lee and Thom Tillis to get better and out of quarantine, but if more Senators get covid later in the month it might make it hard to get the 50 votes necessary.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 03 2020 00:53 GMT
#53950
I just realized there isn't actually anything in that Trump video where he's like "first lady is fine" that shows it was made today.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 03 2020 01:15 GMT
#53951
On October 03 2020 09:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
This could complicate Republican efforts to rush through Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation before the election. There's still time for Mike Lee and Thom Tillis to get better and out of quarantine, but if more Senators get covid later in the month it might make it hard to get the 50 votes necessary.

Given the moronic setup of the senate (requiring in person voting and regular close contact among the most at-risk population), I'd say it's basically impossible that ACB can be confirmed before the election.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
October 03 2020 01:55 GMT
#53952
With how he handled his events, that kind of spreading was just a matter of "when" tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 03 2020 02:00 GMT
#53953
ACB failing to be confirmed because of two senators with coronavirus and 1-2 refusing to vote would be quite a turn.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-03 02:16:28
October 03 2020 02:04 GMT
#53954
On October 03 2020 10:55 Erasme wrote:
With how he handled his events, that kind of spreading was just a matter of "when" tbh


Absolutely, a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. It’s amazing it took this long for a super spreader event to occur to be honest. There’s some cosmic amusement that the Supreme Court nomination event at the Rose Garden seems to be the likely event where all of these people are getting sick from.

If Claudia Conway is a valid enough source, her mother Kelly Ann Conway has also caught the ‘rona with again the timing matching up with the Rose Garden event. It’s really nice that our government intentionally created a super spreader event because no one had the brains to take precautions despite over 200,000 dying from the virus.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-03 02:24:36
October 03 2020 02:24 GMT
#53955
lmao by the end of next week we're gonna effectively have a democrat majority in the senate from everyone being quarantined. Fucking anti-mask dipshits. rofl
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 03 2020 02:32 GMT
#53956
On October 03 2020 10:55 Erasme wrote:
With how he handled his events, that kind of spreading was just a matter of "when" tbh


I just wonder too about all the plebians at the rallies and stuff that we don't hear about. The high profile people finally caught it but what about all those people crowded together maskless at his rallies. Makes my blood boil how he encouraged that.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45937 Posts
October 03 2020 02:34 GMT
#53957
Kellyanne Conway too.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/02/politics/kellyanne-conway-positive-for-covid-19/index.html
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
October 03 2020 02:38 GMT
#53958
On October 03 2020 11:24 Mohdoo wrote:
lmao by the end of next week we're gonna effectively have a democrat majority in the senate from everyone being quarantined. Fucking anti-mask dipshits. rofl



I told y'all it was just an antifa assassination attemp /s.
I'm patiently waiting for that narrative to take hold.
I am, therefore I pee
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 03 2020 03:04 GMT
#53959
On October 03 2020 09:53 Mohdoo wrote:
I just realized there isn't actually anything in that Trump video where he's like "first lady is fine" that shows it was made today.

That's a good point. There's something REALLY off about the video that I can't put my finger on. I think if I were to list them:

1. No windows or anything else to tell time of day
2. Super weird outline of Trump - is it green screened? Look at his shoulder/arms - this looks like someone did a (better version of) Zoom automatic background
3. Does his tie look weird? I'm trying to see the room reflected in it but it's hard
4. As DPB mentioned, he's "going" to Walter Reed when he'd already gone hours before?
5. Does the lighting seem weird? One from above his right shoulder when it looks like he's in a room with paired sconces?
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 03 2020 03:17 GMT
#53960
Definitely seems like a green screen to me, for all the reasons already highlighted. On top of that, the statement itself feels very much cut short, as if they only has 18 seconds worth of usable footage they could use. Very much out of character, at any rate.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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