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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
October 02 2020 21:40 GMT
#53921
On October 03 2020 06:23 Danglars wrote:
Removed to Walter Reed AND lack of tweets for a dozen hours is a little concerning. If it's just precautionary, he'll have a sleepy joe tweet out before the day ends.

Dan Scavino tweets for him at times
© Current year.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
October 02 2020 21:41 GMT
#53922
I remember at the beginning of the epidemic, they were saying people were going from mild symptoms to collapse inside of hours. Not a good sign though, you usually don't pre-emptively move someone to the hospital, even if they are the president.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
October 02 2020 21:46 GMT
#53923
Boris Johnson's hospitalization was initially publicized as "precautionary", but he had symptoms for longer. Trump went from seemingly asymptomatic yesterday and earlier this week, to mild symptoms earlier today, to now this hospitalization. There's too much uncertainty with this rapidly developing news, especially considering how hard it is to trust these public statements when they're also trying to avoid panic.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22648 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 21:47:35
October 02 2020 21:46 GMT
#53924
On October 03 2020 06:41 Lmui wrote:
I remember at the beginning of the epidemic, they were saying people were going from mild symptoms to collapse inside of hours. Not a good sign though, you usually don't pre-emptively move someone to the hospital, even if they are the president.
Combined with Trump's desire to look strong. If he is being moved I assume he is beyond a bit of a fever.

On October 03 2020 06:46 eviltomahawk wrote:
Boris Johnson's hospitalization was initially publicized as "precautionary", but he had symptoms for longer. Trump went from seemingly asymptomatic yesterday and earlier this week, to mild symptoms earlier today, to now this hospitalization. There's too much uncertainty with this rapidly developing news, especially considering how hard it is to trust these public statements when they're also trying to avoid panic.
Boris in younger and healthier, Trumps terrible physical condition could make it go much faster.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 21:49:50
October 02 2020 21:49 GMT
#53925
Yeah the cameras are trained on the copter awaiting Trump’s exit, everyone wants to see how he gets on it.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 21:59:32
October 02 2020 21:57 GMT
#53926
Not saying I wish death on him, or anyone, or that I necessarily agree with people who do right now, but I have a terribly hard time feeling sorry for someone who decried the virus as a hoax while secretly knowing well in advance that it would be a serious issue in the US, and when that's also a someone who has routinely made fun of people less able and more ill than he, to jeers and applause by an ocean of white people. If he did more to curtail the spread of the virus than twiddle his thumbs and cheer on the Proud Boys, maybe he wouldn't have caught it in the first place.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 02 2020 21:57 GMT
#53927
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 22:19:04
October 02 2020 22:14 GMT
#53928
The word compassion is super key. It may indicate Regeneron heard the situation and went "yikes". If a few different theories regarding Trump's health end up true, such as stimulant use and recent stroke, he may already be in a smidge of a checkmate situation. I'm surprised they didn't just replace all his blood right away, or at least as much as possible, but as I said above, he may have other health complications that make aggressive use of plasma transfusion risky. it can seriously go from day 1 we're good, day 2 is rough, day 3 is like barely breathing. Not commonly, but it can, especially in old people. Infection is always a differential equation, there are certain factors such as starting concentration (basically the dosage of exposure, such as spending 8 hours with someone highly infectious, vs 30 minutes with someone mildly infectious).And if Trump was on medications that weakened his immune system, which is common for various things old people happen to take. It can be like KABOOM.

I'm wondering if they put out a statement because they think Trump will die and they want people to know he was already fucked. "Trump took this company's medicine and died" is a good way to have your stock drop a bit


Regardless, their methodology for keeping Trump alive is apparently nothing like I imagined it was. Environmental COVID testing can detect COVID prior to a patient showing symptoms. People's lives have been saved by environmental testing. The one thing that legitimately conclusively bodes poorly for Trump is that they weren't doing environmental testing. If they weren't testing his desk and stuff, that represents a major cost:benefit:risk failure. The cost of testing Trump's entire environment twice a day would be absolute peanuts in cost


This is legitimately really big:



Compassionate Drug Use
What is compassionate drug use?
Compassionate drug use means making a new, unapproved drug available to treat a seriously ill patient when no other treatments are available.

Drugs that are being tested but have not yet been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) are called investigational drugs. These drugs are normally available only to people who are taking part in a clinical trial.

Being able to use one of these drugs when you are not in a clinical trial is most commonly referred to as compassionate drug use.


https://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatments-and-side-effects/clinical-trials/compassionate-drug-use.html#:~:text=What is compassionate drug use,FDA) are called investigational drugs.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 22:15:01
October 02 2020 22:14 GMT
#53929
On October 03 2020 06:57 JimmiC wrote:
If Trump is not able to run will it forsure be Pence or could the Reps pick Ivanka or whoever they wanted?


They could still nominate a new candidate, but what about the votes that have already been cast? Can you reboot an election?
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2013 Posts
October 02 2020 22:18 GMT
#53930
Obviously Trump's dealing with Covid-19 was a complete disaster, but I have to wonder how much better any other US president would have done. Being a very large country with good infrastructure, big cities and many important decisions made on the state level is not easy to deal with. Would things like closing off state borders for non-essential travel even be possible, even though it seems to be one of the most effective ways to limit the spread?

I also have next to no sympathy for Trump's illness, and the evil part of me even wants him to be hit really hard and stop his campaign dead in its tracks. People like Trump does not bring out the best of neither his supporters nor his enemies.
Buff the siegetank
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46502 Posts
October 02 2020 22:20 GMT
#53931
On October 03 2020 07:14 Mohdoo wrote:
The word compassion is super key. It may indicate Regeneron heard the situation and went "yikes". If a few different theories regarding Trump's health end up true, such as stimulant use and recent stroke, he may already be in a smidge of a checkmate situation. I'm surprised they didn't just replace all his blood right away, or at least as much as possible, but as I said above, he may have other health complications that make aggressive use of plasma transfusion risky. it can seriously go from day 1 we're good, day 2 is rough, day 3 is like barely breathing. Not commonly, but it can, especially in old people. Infection is always a differential equation, there are certain factors such as starting concentration (basically the dosage of exposure, such as spending 8 hours with someone highly infectious, vs 30 minutes with someone mildly infectious).And if Trump was on medications that weakened his immune system, which is common for various things old people happen to take. It can be like KABOOM.

I'm wondering if they put out a statement because they think Trump will die and they want people to know he was already fucked. "Trump took this company's medicine and died" is a good way to have your stock drop a bit


Please, please, please let Trump's eventual cause of death be that his insides were reduced to a dark plasma ball.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 22:25:16
October 02 2020 22:22 GMT
#53932
On October 03 2020 07:18 Slydie wrote:
Obviously Trump's dealing with Covid-19 was a complete disaster, but I have to wonder how much better any other US president would have done. Being a very large country with good infrastructure, big cities and many important decisions made on the state level is not easy to deal with. Would things like closing off state borders for non-essential travel even be possible, even though it seems to be one of the most effective ways to limit the spread?

I also have next to no sympathy for Trump's illness, and the evil part of me even wants him to be hit really hard and stop his campaign dead in its tracks. People like Trump does not bring out the best of neither his supporters nor his enemies.

Someone in Trump's position could have tried something. And especially because state's responses will vary, having one unifying message does a lot to bring everyone onto the same page. At every opportunity, he punted the issue to the states and legitimized governors and representatives who insist no measures be taken at all. That's on him, that's something he could've done something about. Obviously, you don't blame someone if they succumb to a fire in their house, but you can damn sure hold them responsible if all they did was shrug their shoulders and continue playing with loose cans of gasoline.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 22:34:47
October 02 2020 22:32 GMT
#53933
The idea that Trump and the federal government could do nothing more than what has been done is utter nonsense, there are numerous ways to have designed and implemented a federal program piggybacked onto the legislative giveaways to big business that organized a response that equalized access to public health basics across the nation. In times of disaster where the gravity of what has occurred outpaces the capacity of local and state governments, something that happened here with Covid, the federal government is uniquely situated to coordinate responses and allocate resources in dramatic and sudden ways. Whether or not entities like FEMA work has far more to do with who controls its executive office and what they know how to do at the level of an agency head than the legal limits on agency power as a concept.

Very little of that power was used here, and the little that was mostly wound up in the pockets of those with the least to lose. The federal government's response to the 'rona was shamefully bad and the faster we get people into power who recognize that the better.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
October 02 2020 22:33 GMT
#53934
On October 03 2020 07:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2020 07:14 Mohdoo wrote:
The word compassion is super key. It may indicate Regeneron heard the situation and went "yikes". If a few different theories regarding Trump's health end up true, such as stimulant use and recent stroke, he may already be in a smidge of a checkmate situation. I'm surprised they didn't just replace all his blood right away, or at least as much as possible, but as I said above, he may have other health complications that make aggressive use of plasma transfusion risky. it can seriously go from day 1 we're good, day 2 is rough, day 3 is like barely breathing. Not commonly, but it can, especially in old people. Infection is always a differential equation, there are certain factors such as starting concentration (basically the dosage of exposure, such as spending 8 hours with someone highly infectious, vs 30 minutes with someone mildly infectious).And if Trump was on medications that weakened his immune system, which is common for various things old people happen to take. It can be like KABOOM.

I'm wondering if they put out a statement because they think Trump will die and they want people to know he was already fucked. "Trump took this company's medicine and died" is a good way to have your stock drop a bit


Please, please, please let Trump's eventual cause of death be that his insides were reduced to a dark plasma ball.

Hahahahaha
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 02 2020 22:41 GMT
#53935
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 02 2020 22:47 GMT
#53936
Trumps walk looked fine and he seems ok in this message video too

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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 02 2020 22:48 GMT
#53937
Trump tweets out a video & walks unassisted to the helicopter. There is now less of a change that this was an urgent need rather than an extra precaution.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 22:55:21
October 02 2020 22:51 GMT
#53938
On October 03 2020 07:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Trumps walk looked fine and he seems ok in this message video too

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312158400352972800

This video looks _very_ fake.
i guess it's just because i'm not used to him using a green background.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 02 2020 22:58 GMT
#53939
Biden's campaign is pivoting to only positive ads, saying it has nothing to do with Trump's hospitalization.

Personally, this is a smart move, as there's no real need to run negative ads against Trump. He has so many vulnerabilities that even the less-informed than average voter will be aware of them.

FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-02 23:08:06
October 02 2020 23:06 GMT
#53940
On October 03 2020 07:51 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2020 07:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Trumps walk looked fine and he seems ok in this message video too

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1312158400352972800

This video looks _very_ fake.
i guess it's just because i'm not used to him using a green background.

? it's a white wall with paintings as background. Also what would be fake about him talking to a camera for 18 seconds.He walked to the helicopter on live TV looking ok.

On October 03 2020 07:58 Nevuk wrote:
Biden's campaign is pivoting to only positive ads, saying it has nothing to do with Trump's hospitalization.

Personally, this is a smart move, as there's no real need to run negative ads against Trump. He has so many vulnerabilities that even the less-informed than average voter will be aware of them.

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1312146075113807872

I don't know. It's a very serious election, holding back on ads seems naive. Polls may look good but lets remember 2016 and 'the win % needle' greatly favoring Hillary. No reason to attack him being sick or anything but they should definitely still point out all the shitty things he's done in office.
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