US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2623

On September 14 2020 11:41 Danglars wrote:
I hold my government to higher standards than you. Period.

On September 14 2020 14:59 Little-Chimp wrote:


Supporting Trump while virtue signalling offence for Trudeau's blackface 20 year ago is pretty jokes. Also Biden does not support defunding the police. Be careful which media sources you're consuming, because that one is straight from Trump's ass.

I do find it pretty hard to see why someone would vote for a guy that shit on the troops recently and lied about Covid to everyone before accummulating 190k deaths. Even if you were terrified of the "woke mob", they're running wild on your dipshit cult leader's watch right now, not Joe Biden or Hillary Clinton or any other dem boogeyman.

On September 14 2020 13:56 Danglars wrote:

Inasmuch as this thread ignores real issues that matter to the voting public, I’m doing the thread a service. The arguments in favor of dragging nuns into court on the pretense that Obamacare invented a right to no-cost abortifacients have been historically bad. The adherents rely on equally bad bases to argue abstractions like health care (nobody found injury to it) or balancing rights (right to force employers to offer specific drugs free of charge is quite an argument, but I guess they could find nothing better than it).

In short, Democrats and leftists on this forum have long ignored religious freedoms in this country, and it falls in nicely with their ongoing attacks on evangelicals for voting the way they do. I don’t yet have a theory on how much this ignorance is a practiced trait, because it avoids adopting a more nuanced view of their opponents and considerations in their vote, or how much is a priori disgust at religious values they dislike. It will be a stumbling block to dialogue if posters here can’t accept obviously good reasons to vote for Trump, since they have no entry point to then argue that the negatives outweigh the positives.

On September 14 2020 08:46 Danglars wrote:
I mean it shouldn't be so confusing. Biden and Democrat's message has been to fuck over people of religious faith. Nuns have to provide abortifacient drugs, even though they can't prove it's an accessibility problem and have many ways of providing these drugs apart from forcing religious organizations to be the means. The government had to confess at the Supreme Court that it could find no woman with a health access problem to demonstrate there was great need to overide First Amendment religious protections.

Say the same thing for Colorado and the Civil Rights Commission. And adoption agencies.

Honestly, even for the most hardcore lefty in this forum, it should be the easiest thing to imagine why evangelicals feel they have no choice in this election. They simply don't feel First Amendment protections have any business being surrendered, and the "women's health" argument is a stupid one made by people that ought to know better. There is only one candidate in the presidential field with any claim of letting business owners with sincere religious beliefs and religious organizations operate free of Government telling them they have no First Amendment protections for their operations. The Democrats always have the choice to not tweet out that they're gonna drag nuns back to court if elected.

On September 14 2020 14:17 Starlightsun wrote:
Is there anything else besides abortion that is considered to be infringing on Christian religious freedom?

On September 14 2020 14:17 Starlightsun wrote:
Is there anything else besides abortion that is considered to be infringing on Christian religious freedom?

On September 14 2020 20:26 Broetchenholer wrote:
I am not describing faith, I am describing religion. I have zero problem with people believing in what ever spirituality. I don't understand it, but if they get something positive out of it, that's cool. But then you go to organized religion, and even the better ones can't simply live and let live. Into almost every organized religion, there is some code imprinted, where they fail to comply with some rule of modern society. Be it missionizing, be it condemning homosexuality or abortion, be it ritually demeaning women.

Sure my language was provoking, but I really can't stand the hipocricy of fundamental Christians, or any other religion, to move the world backwards because a book that was written and rewritten in the last 2000 years tells them so.

On September 14 2020 15:25 Simberto wrote:


It is impressive that you can say that with a straight face, while also voting for Trump, a man who couldn't care less about democracy as a concept.

On September 14 2020 22:08 Erasme wrote:
Danglars will fight to protect the right of _Christian_ Church to fuck over their employees. But he won't lift a finger to protect the rights of american citizens.
He also holds his gov to a higher standard. Which is why he will vote for the president who had countless friends and supporters indicted.
The hypocrisy is killing me.
I wonder, would you be ok with a muslim organisation forcing their female employee to wear a burqa ?

On September 14 2020 22:47 Nouar wrote:

I guess he would say yes, that employees have the choice to choose another employer.

I'm curious if he would feel the same about "religions" like pastafarianism asking crazy exemptions for religious belief (one of their goals is to demonstrate that these things are pure idiocy by being recognized as an official religion themselves)

On September 14 2020 23:00 Nevuk wrote:
I'm somewhat confused by that specific religious discrimination example anyways. Evangelicals hate catholics. It wouldn't be better for them if evangelicals were in charge.

As pointed out previously, the real issue is that employer and health care are linked. They really shouldn't be, as it leads to other things like jehova's witnesses having to pay for blood transfusions. A totally necessary medical procedure, without any debate (unlike abortion, which has a lot of it), but deeply against JW's beliefs.

On September 14 2020 22:02 farvacola wrote:

So here’s the thing, I agree with basically everything you say here, but I think the proper rhetorical approach towards those who do bad shit in the name of God is not one that casts broad aspersions as to how religion itself works as a thing humans do. There are millions of American Christians who know that fundamentalism and sola scriptura/fide are wrong and that they are used to justify all sorts of awful shit, but we’ll never get those people solidly opposed to Trump and his brand of political apologists a la Danglars if something they consider very important, religion, is routinely ridiculed like a Bill Mahar special. It’s folks like Bill Mahar and their one dimensional takes on religion that give conservatives the room to claim that the left wants to outlaw their faith and other silly shit.

I grew up with multiple people who became pastors and feel it’s my duty to make sure they remember just how radically left Jesus was, so this is a topic near and dear to me