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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27388 Posts
August 05 2020 00:02 GMT
#50781
On August 05 2020 08:36 Acrofales wrote:
Why is Trump claiming the explosion in Lebanon was an attack? Lebanese authorities are pointing towards an accident, and given the scale and location that just seems far more likely. Let's face it, if you have the capacity to build and detonate a bomb that large, you pick a juicier target than an industrial zone in the port of Beirut.

But, it is possible. Is Trump just blathering? Or is there credible intelligence that this was purposeful?


Trump said that? I mean I didn’t see it on a cursory glance of his Twitter after reading your post. Which is something I guess.

I guess well-versed in nothing conspiracy theorists are having a field day with this one on the interwebz though. God knows what craziness is being pissed out.

I’m not seeing anything other than the official explanation of an industrial accident with poorly stored explosive materials as being overly plausible.

I’m sure they may have been deployed, I’ve never seen conventional explosives cause something nearly that large in terms of a blast.

If you want to just obliterate something, well there’s nukes. For actual military purposes I’d presume it’s rather inefficient to try and deploy that much explosive material and some degree of precision is preferable.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 05 2020 00:05 GMT
#50782
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 05 2020 00:14 GMT
#50783
There are videos of fireworks going off in the smoke before the giant explosion. No matter what, there was a fire before the giant boom. Just a matter of if the whole thing was an attack.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-05 01:06:43
August 05 2020 00:36 GMT
#50784
At this point there are about 20 fiscally conservative Republicans and all of them are elected officials. They are being so weirdly resistant to Democrat demands. Trump has made covid so politicized that Pelosi could run the country into the ground and people would blame Trump. Pelosi’s deal makes the economy better on Election Day. I think passing a good deal that helps a bunch of people is the only conceivable way republicans hold the senate

Find me a republican who would vote for a democrat if Trump passed a 6 trillion stimulus bill. They don't exist.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27388 Posts
August 05 2020 01:04 GMT
#50785
On August 05 2020 09:36 Mohdoo wrote:
At this point there are about 20 fiscally conservative Republicans and all of them are elected officials. They are being so weirdly resistant to Democrat demands. Trump has made covid so politicized that Pelosi could run the country into the ground and people would blame Trump. Pelosi’s deal makes the economy better on Election Day. I think passing a good deal that helps a bunch of people is the only conceivable way republicans hold the senate

Find me a republican who won't vote for a democrat if Trump passed a 6 trillion stimulus bill. They don't exist.

Are you casting aspersions over the bona fides of fiscal conservatives when it’s outside of normality and not relating to redistributing to poor people? How very dare you!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 05 2020 01:26 GMT
#50786
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
August 05 2020 02:35 GMT
#50787
That isn't even the dumbest thing he said in the interview either.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 05 2020 02:47 GMT
#50788
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-05 03:02:39
August 05 2020 03:02 GMT
#50789
On August 05 2020 11:47 JimmiC wrote:
It really is striking isnt it.


More embarrassing that CNN is running an article on asking Trump basic questions currently. The self own that no American media could figure that out themselves over the past four years.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
August 05 2020 06:15 GMT
#50790
On August 05 2020 12:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2020 11:47 JimmiC wrote:
It really is striking isnt it.


More embarrassing that CNN is running an article on asking Trump basic questions currently. The self own that no American media could figure that out themselves over the past four years.


It's not like people didn't point this out in 2016 either. The Fourth Estate has all but completely eroded into stenographers for the MIC combined with TMZ politics.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-05 06:45:18
August 05 2020 06:44 GMT
#50791
I mean it's worth pointing out that Trump doesn't do that kind of interview regularly. Most of his appearances in that format are buddy-buddy things with fox people, who are obviously just there to fellate him.

There would be plenty of reporters out there more than willing to try and pin him, but it requires an extended one-to-one exchange with someone who will challenge him, and he doesn't let himself be put in that situation very often. People can ask him all the questions they like from the scrum. He'll just ignore them, ask someone else or walk off the stage.

To catch him takes a miscalculation on his part, like being ambushed by a previously friendly reporter as we finally saw on fox a few weeks ago, or his own ego and his collapsing polls leading him to yolo it, as seems to have happened with Swan.

There's obviously plenty of failures in the way the media as a whole have dealt with Trump, but it's not like nobody thought of doing this. The hard part has always been engineering a situation where you can.
120720
Profile Blog Joined July 2020
95 Posts
August 05 2020 06:45 GMT
#50792
People should stop bashing Trump, what about the millions that voted for him, think like him, do worse than him?

Trump did not stole and election and made everyone racist, he stole an election while everyone was racist.

Look at your two candidates right now, 80 years old had a stroke guy or 80 years old representation of half the population guy.

Other guy everyone regrets is 80 years old want to change the whole country against the views of half of them.

Your country can hardly be united since you have such different views...

GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24354 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-05 07:02:17
August 05 2020 06:59 GMT
#50793
On August 05 2020 15:44 Belisarius wrote:
I mean it's worth pointing out that Trump doesn't do that kind of interview regularly. Most of his appearances in that format are buddy-buddy things with fox people, who are obviously just there to fellate him.

There would be plenty of reporters out there more than willing to try and pin him, but it requires an extended one-to-one exchange with someone who will challenge him, and he doesn't let himself be put in that situation very often. People can ask him all the questions they like from the scrum. He'll just ignore them, ask someone else or walk off the stage.

To catch him takes a miscalculation on his part, like being ambushed by a previously friendly reporter as we finally saw on fox a few weeks ago, or his own ego and his collapsing polls leading him to yolo it, as seems to have happened with Swan.

There's obviously plenty of failures in the way the media as a whole have dealt with Trump, but it's not like nobody thought of doing this. The hard part has always been engineering a situation where you can.


Not sure what passes as "regularly" but it's far from his first. He's had long-form interviews with potentially hostile interviewers from WaPo, the NYT, CNBC, C-Span, The AP, and more.

Also I should apologize to TMZ's paparazzi, they are actually pretty good at follow-up questions.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1967 Posts
August 05 2020 07:20 GMT
#50794
On August 05 2020 15:45 120720 wrote:
People should stop bashing Trump, what about the millions that voted for him, think like him, do worse than him?

Trump did not stole and election and made everyone racist, he stole an election while everyone was racist.

Look at your two candidates right now, 80 years old had a stroke guy or 80 years old representation of half the population guy.

Other guy everyone regrets is 80 years old want to change the whole country against the views of half of them.

Your country can hardly be united since you have such different views...



I don't understand why we can't bash trump. Because 50 percent of the population voted for him? Because the country is racist? Because Biden is equally old? People are criticizing trump for the job he is doing, for his personality and for his policies. None of that can be dismissed because of any of the points you brought up.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-05 07:36:39
August 05 2020 07:35 GMT
#50795
On August 05 2020 16:20 Broetchenholer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2020 15:45 120720 wrote:
People should stop bashing Trump, what about the millions that voted for him, think like him, do worse than him?

Trump did not stole and election and made everyone racist, he stole an election while everyone was racist.

Look at your two candidates right now, 80 years old had a stroke guy or 80 years old representation of half the population guy.

Other guy everyone regrets is 80 years old want to change the whole country against the views of half of them.

Your country can hardly be united since you have such different views...



I don't understand why we can't bash trump. Because 50 percent of the population voted for him? Because the country is racist? Because Biden is equally old? People are criticizing trump for the job he is doing, for his personality and for his policies. None of that can be dismissed because of any of the points you brought up.



Actually Clinton got roughly 3 million more votes than Trump in 2016. So he is representing some more dirt in Colorado, but not the 50% of the US-Citizens

........................Trump....................Clinton
Popular vote___62,984,828_____65,853,514
Percentage ____46.1% __________48.2%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 05 2020 08:08 GMT
#50796
Also 50% of the population didnt vote for him because nowhere close to 100% of the US population votes, lol.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5222 Posts
August 05 2020 08:17 GMT
#50797
I think 2016 was a historic low voter turnout too, or somewhere close to it at least.
Taxes are for Terrans
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8188 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-05 08:18:49
August 05 2020 08:17 GMT
#50798
Just because it's actually quite funny, here is Trump arguing against the notion that you should look at COVID death per ratio of the population:


The guy has the IQ of an oyster it's pathetic.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18445 Posts
August 05 2020 09:05 GMT
#50799
On August 05 2020 17:17 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Just because it's actually quite funny, here is Trump arguing against the notion that you should look at COVID death per ratio of the population:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Yee1nPb1Y
The guy has the IQ of an oyster it's pathetic.

Wait. Did he say that the US has a lower CFR than Germany? That... surprises me.

Actually, I went and looked at the data: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

USA does have a lower CFR now, but I think that is mainly due to the fact that the case load in Germany now is way down. So their peak in CFR comes from a time from before testing capability was ramped up, and all countries were severely undertesting, meaning CFR is far far far greater than IFR. Meanwhile, now that testing is ramped up, we still overreport severe cases slightly as there will inevitably be infected who don't ever get tested, but right now CFR is only slightly greater than IFR. That means that countries that are now living through peak infection, are identifying far more infected people per severe patient than those who were living through peak infection in April (like, Germany). CFR as an average over time means nothing. The meaningful comparison of CFR is using a window, in which case CFR in Germany is waaaayyyyyyyy down right now (over the last week it is ~1%, as opposed to the total average CFR of over 4%), but because there are comparatively few cases, that doesn't bring the overall average CFR down very much.

Anyway, CFR is not a meaningless statistic: it gives you an idea of how well your healthcare system is dealing with the worst cases. However, deaths as a % of the population is obviously a better metric of how the entire system is dealing with the pandemic as a whole.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 05 2020 10:18 GMT
#50800
On August 05 2020 05:33 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2020 05:06 Nouar wrote:
On August 04 2020 18:37 zatic wrote:
Can someone explain to me the whole Tiktok thing? I am baffled.

I get that the state could potentially ban an app if there is sufficient reason for it. I get that the potential of data being handed to Chinese intelligence could be considered such a reason.

I don't get how the government can force the sale of an app to a domestic competitor. And I absolutely don't get how the government can demand that they get a cut from that coerced transaction. Pardon me saying that, but that just feels incredibly ... un-american.

Man, that's totally american.

I'll, again, take the example of the collusion between DOJ pressing charges on european companies, with insider knowledge of US competitors that then buy them as a discount since there are billions in fines to be levied, and the DOJ subsequently dropping the charges once the company is american.

I mean, this is the country that refuses that its big tech companies get fairly taxed abroad, only because those are american. It makes sense that a foreign competitor gaining steam gets pressure from the government, and "not banning it if it gets bought" is as naked as it gets, while it's usually more... covert, but that's business as usual.

To make it even more American. Tiktok is getting sued in a class action from parents that it is stealing their children's data and sending it to China.

This will be sort of interesting if it is not settled, how will these parents prove it and if they can't what will that say about the ban?


https://www.npr.org/2020/08/04/898836158/class-action-lawsuit-claims-tiktok-steals-kids-data-and-sends-it-to-china



People should know by now that actions against Huawei and Tiktok are not about spying, stealing personal data or national security risk that's just a pretext. The actions are political and are the next step in the economical and technological war that the US has waged on China.
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