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On August 04 2020 23:28 Nyxisto wrote:
TikTok doesn't store American data on the mainland but instead in the US and Singapore. TikTok itself is already spun off from the Chinese version of the app which is called Douyin. It also doesn't have magically more acess to your phone than any other app, who arguably all collect too much data which if anything justifies legislation rather than singling TikTok out. There have been a lot of weird generalisations about the app simply because it's Chinese.
With the caveat that I am not a software engineer myself who has done this
Certain things do seem atypical with it.
My layman’s understanding is that apps have gated access to the clipboard, that is granted when the end user actually chooses to copy/paste stuff. Intermittently scanning the clipboard for exactly what’s there does sound atypical. Granted it doesn’t mean it’s for the future benefit of the CCP, could be basic corporate sliminess.
Speaking of, I don’t recall the US and it’s associated tech companies being particularly receptive to things like the EU’s GDPR initiative. Now it’s the Chinese privacy is a concern?
We’re years, decades perhaps behind a proper global standardised and enforced set of industry standards protecting consumers and external parties alike in the digital sphere. That requires global cooperation and should be the focus, not singling out TikTok as part of this trade war pissing contest.
Let’s not even mention the ridiculousness of Trump complaining US tech companies wield too much power while putting pressure on one to buy out a foreign competitor that has established quite the following.
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On August 04 2020 23:28 Nyxisto wrote:
TikTok doesn't store American data on the mainland but instead in the US and Singapore. TikTok itself is already spun off from the Chinese version of the app which is called Douyin. It also doesn't have magically more acess to your phone than any other app, who arguably all collect too much data which if anything justifies legislation rather than singling TikTok out. There have been a lot of weird generalisations about the app simply because it's Chinese.
Ya that happens when you're stealing anything you can lay your hands on, people tend to single you out.
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Happy to see lots of Oregon is delaying schools until at least mid October. That will let all the dumbass states serve as examples why we need to stay closed. This is another example of why a functional federal government is useful. We know what is about to happen when schools open. We are allowing bad decisions to be made.
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One of my favorite Facebook follows posted a photo of a hallway in a high school in Georgia from opening day. The hall was packed wall to wall and only about 25% of kids in the pic were wearing masks. Sobering stuff.
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On August 05 2020 01:21 farvacola wrote:
One of my favorite Facebook follows posted a photo of a hallway in a high school in Georgia from opening day. The hall was packed wall to wall and only about 25% of kids in the pic were wearing masks. Sobering stuff.
And its not like it ends with kids spreading it. If a kid spreads it to a parent who works somewhere that isn't allowing remote work, that place is now a center, and so on and so forth.
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Indeed, schools are where it starts, not anywhere close to where it ends.
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Which dystopian movie is playing out before our eyes? I know it's a tangent but I'm curious. I'm getting Mad Max vibes with a touch of The Last of Us tossed in for good measure.
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This is more or less Contagion.
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On August 05 2020 00:01 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2020 23:28 Nyxisto wrote:
TikTok doesn't store American data on the mainland but instead in the US and Singapore. TikTok itself is already spun off from the Chinese version of the app which is called Douyin. It also doesn't have magically more acess to your phone than any other app, who arguably all collect too much data which if anything justifies legislation rather than singling TikTok out. There have been a lot of weird generalisations about the app simply because it's Chinese. With the caveat that I am not a software engineer myself who has done thisCertain things do seem atypical with it. My layman’s understanding is that apps have gated access to the clipboard, that is granted when the end user actually chooses to copy/paste stuff. Intermittently scanning the clipboard for exactly what’s there does sound atypical. Granted it doesn’t mean it’s for the future benefit of the CCP, could be basic corporate sliminess. Speaking of, I don’t recall the US and it’s associated tech companies being particularly receptive to things like the EU’s GDPR initiative. Now it’s the Chinese privacy is a concern? We’re years, decades perhaps behind a proper global standardised and enforced set of industry standards protecting consumers and external parties alike in the digital sphere. That requires global cooperation and should be the focus, not singling out TikTok as part of this trade war pissing contest. Let’s not even mention the ridiculousness of Trump complaining US tech companies wield too much power while putting pressure on one to buy out a foreign competitor that has established quite the following.
The reason for TikTok intermittently accessing the clipboard is probably because Bytedance re-used code. Wechat doesn't support cross linking to other apps that they deem to be competing with (or whatever it's called). To circumvent this apps like Douyin, and Taobao for that matter, use a hyperlink with a code that gets read whenever you copy it and open the app to access the shared content. Therefore I think it's more probable that this was incompetence on their part regarding privacy, not any maliciousness in particular. Basically just because of squabbling between companies in China.
Edit: keep in mind this is just one of the privacy gripes and I'm obviously not excusing it. Just trying to reason why
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On August 05 2020 02:30 Nixer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2020 00:01 Wombat_NI wrote:On August 04 2020 23:28 Nyxisto wrote:
TikTok doesn't store American data on the mainland but instead in the US and Singapore. TikTok itself is already spun off from the Chinese version of the app which is called Douyin. It also doesn't have magically more acess to your phone than any other app, who arguably all collect too much data which if anything justifies legislation rather than singling TikTok out. There have been a lot of weird generalisations about the app simply because it's Chinese. With the caveat that I am not a software engineer myself who has done thisCertain things do seem atypical with it. My layman’s understanding is that apps have gated access to the clipboard, that is granted when the end user actually chooses to copy/paste stuff. Intermittently scanning the clipboard for exactly what’s there does sound atypical. Granted it doesn’t mean it’s for the future benefit of the CCP, could be basic corporate sliminess. Speaking of, I don’t recall the US and it’s associated tech companies being particularly receptive to things like the EU’s GDPR initiative. Now it’s the Chinese privacy is a concern? We’re years, decades perhaps behind a proper global standardised and enforced set of industry standards protecting consumers and external parties alike in the digital sphere. That requires global cooperation and should be the focus, not singling out TikTok as part of this trade war pissing contest. Let’s not even mention the ridiculousness of Trump complaining US tech companies wield too much power while putting pressure on one to buy out a foreign competitor that has established quite the following. The reason for TikTok intermittently accessing the clipboard is probably because Bytedance re-used code. Wechat doesn't support cross linking to other apps that they deem to be competing with (or whatever it's called). To circumvent this apps like Douyin, and Taobao for that matter, use a hyperlink with a code that gets read whenever you copy it and open the app to access the shared content. Therefore I think it's more probable that this was incompetence on their part regarding privacy, not any maliciousness in particular. Basically just because of squabbling between companies in China. Edit: keep in mind this is just one of the privacy gripes and I'm obviously not excusing it. Just trying to reason why
Interesting additional info, and sounds quite plausible for this particular gripe too, cheers for that.
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On August 04 2020 18:37 zatic wrote:
Can someone explain to me the whole Tiktok thing? I am baffled.
I get that the state could potentially ban an app if there is sufficient reason for it. I get that the potential of data being handed to Chinese intelligence could be considered such a reason.
I don't get how the government can force the sale of an app to a domestic competitor. And I absolutely don't get how the government can demand that they get a cut from that coerced transaction. Pardon me saying that, but that just feels incredibly ... un-american.
Man, that's totally american.
I'll, again, take the example of the collusion between DOJ pressing charges on european companies, with insider knowledge of US competitors that then buy them as a discount since there are billions in fines to be levied, and the DOJ subsequently dropping the charges once the company is american.
I mean, this is the country that refuses that its big tech companies get fairly taxed abroad, only because those are american. It makes sense that a foreign competitor gaining steam gets pressure from the government, and "not banning it if it gets bought" is as naked as it gets, while it's usually more... covert, but that's business as usual.
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The laws would be dead if they required users to prove the service provider did something wrong with their data. I'm guessing it'll be on Tiktok to prove it guaranteed the safety of its users data.
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I don't think it's awfully hard to prove you've organized your data processing in a way that protects the data from being used for something illegal.
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On August 05 2020 05:52 JimmiC wrote:
Couldn't people then sue every company for the same thing? It seems like it would be awfully hard to prove.
That is generally a good thing. I think more companies should prove that they don't do bullshit with their users data.
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As far as I can tell tiktoks user data issues are nowhere near as bad as something like facebook-Cambridge Analytica
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On August 05 2020 06:17 Sent. wrote:
I don't think it's awfully hard to prove you've organized your data processing in a way that protects the data from being used for something illegal.
Innocent until proven guilty is a thing. If you think someone is doing something illegal with your data you have to prove it, not accuse them and then they have to prove their innocence.
E: and yes, that is obviously hard to prove, especially for a group of private citizens without the resources of one of the TLA agencies. Which is why you don't see hundreds of lawsuits just thrown at facebook/google/whatever for an easy cashout: you actually have to have some credible evidence to not have your case instantly dismissed.
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Why is Trump claiming the explosion in Lebanon was an attack? Lebanese authorities are pointing towards an accident, and given the scale and location that just seems far more likely. Let's face it, if you have the capacity to build and detonate a bomb that large, you pick a juicier target than an industrial zone in the port of Beirut.
But, it is possible. Is Trump just blathering? Or is there credible intelligence that this was purposeful?
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