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What is happening in Palestine does not meet the definition of a genocide in any way.
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If Maxwell isn't wildly amazingly well protected with 60 cameras pointed at her, the FBI will officially be beyond incompetent
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On July 03 2020 01:35 Mohdoo wrote:
If Maxwell isn't wildly amazingly well protected with 60 cameras pointed at her, the FBI will officially be beyond incompetent
this seems a little interesting:
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On July 03 2020 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:What is happening in Palestine does not meet the definition of a genocide in any way.
Worst genocide ever, considering the population growth rate identifying as "palestinian refugees."
But I'm pretty radical on this subject. BLM protests have stoked anti-semitism under the guise of attacking Israel state policy, and it's seen in what happens in these protests:
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Haha, that coming from the executive editor of the Washington Times is rich as fuck, where’s his tweets about swastika bearing neo nazis praising Trump? Oh yeah, folks like Mandel find Black people and Palestinians far scarier, forgot that.
And the correct term isn’t radical, Danglars, it’s reactionary.
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On July 03 2020 02:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2020 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On July 02 2020 18:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 01 2020 23:31 stilt wrote:
Weird, Israel and the USA are currently occupying, dismantling and displacing the inhabitants of a nation which is borderline a genocide like the indians and no one bats an eye.
That's pretty ironic considering how everyone was super eager of doing "justice" one month ago. There's plenty of ironies in the BLM movement. Electronics companies putting out words of support for the black community on social media whilst using battery components mined in Africa by children as young as six? https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/oct/12/phone-misery-children-congo-cobalt-mines-drcBut any sane person would agree what is going on in Palestine is a genocide.It's just posting/saying things negative about Israel may get you in trouble.Oddly enough several corporations in the UK and the BBC itself have been distancing themselves from BLM after 'anti-semitic' remarks.I don't know if this has spread elsewhere yet. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/bbc-tells-staff-not-wear-black-lives-matters-badges-on-air/ What is happening in Palestine does not meet the definition of a genocide in any way. Worst genocide ever, considering the population growth rate identifying as "palestinian refugees." But I'm pretty radical on this subject. BLM protests have stoked anti-semitism under the guise of attacking Israel state policy, and it's seen in what happens in these protests: + Show Spoiler +
To be fair, how are you exactly expecting palestinians to behave when they see Israel breaking the law at every corner with annexions, illegal settlements etc etc. It has been going on for dozens of years with support from the state and the US, you can't seriously expect them to just ask peacefully for "please can we just start the peace process again ? Doesn't matter if we have been shafted for the last 50y, we will still stick our asses front and trust in the process !"
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On July 03 2020 02:21 farvacola wrote:
Haha, that coming from the executive editor of the Washington Times is rich as fuck, where’s his tweets about swastika bearing neo nazis praising Trump? Oh yeah, folks like Mandel find Black people and Palestinians far scarier, forgot that.
And the correct term isn’t radical, Danglars, it’s reactionary.
Ideally, you can criticize both. In many cases, you can just say "what about these neo nazis over here" and move on. (and correct me if I'm wrong, but you've said exactly zero about these kinds of chants, doing the whataboutism routine instead)
And for your information, he's been relentlessly critical of Trump for not doing enough about the alt right/neo nazis, and the far right in general. He's assigned blame on right-wing figures for more liberally than I would. But y'know narrative and all.
On July 03 2020 04:16 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2020 02:11 Danglars wrote:On July 03 2020 01:11 maybenexttime wrote:On July 02 2020 18:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On July 01 2020 23:31 stilt wrote:
Weird, Israel and the USA are currently occupying, dismantling and displacing the inhabitants of a nation which is borderline a genocide like the indians and no one bats an eye.
That's pretty ironic considering how everyone was super eager of doing "justice" one month ago. There's plenty of ironies in the BLM movement. Electronics companies putting out words of support for the black community on social media whilst using battery components mined in Africa by children as young as six? https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/oct/12/phone-misery-children-congo-cobalt-mines-drcBut any sane person would agree what is going on in Palestine is a genocide.It's just posting/saying things negative about Israel may get you in trouble.Oddly enough several corporations in the UK and the BBC itself have been distancing themselves from BLM after 'anti-semitic' remarks.I don't know if this has spread elsewhere yet. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/01/bbc-tells-staff-not-wear-black-lives-matters-badges-on-air/ What is happening in Palestine does not meet the definition of a genocide in any way. Worst genocide ever, considering the population growth rate identifying as "palestinian refugees." But I'm pretty radical on this subject. BLM protests have stoked anti-semitism under the guise of attacking Israel state policy, and it's seen in what happens in these protests: + Show Spoiler + To be fair, how are you exactly expecting palestinians to behave when they see Israel breaking the law at every corner with annexions, illegal settlements etc etc. It has been going on for dozens of years with support from the state and the US, you can't seriously expect them to just ask peacefully for "please can we just start the peace process again ? Doesn't matter if we have been shafted for the last 50y, we will still stick our asses front and trust in the process !"
Annexations have occured after wars and war crimes directed against Israel, and the "illegal settlements" are a gray area of bad state policy meets bending the rules unfairly. I wouldn't expect Israel to have behaved in such a good manner, such as the balance shows, when Palestinians rain down missiles and dig tunnels to kill Israeli citizens. I have long since given up hoping to persuade the center-left and far-left here, such that I expect no change in their opinions until it's their houses targeted with rockets and the families of their children's murderers rewarded with cash prizes. Period. Given that it's unlikely to happen, I expect them to hold Israel to unrealistic standards and ignore or whitewash Palestinian aggressive acts until the next century.
And next time Middle Eastern nations make surprise war upon Israel, and take land cessations to be juicy new missile launch sites, stop complaining about Israel building settlements on the new land. If the international community demanded anything similar to what they've done with Israel as Palestine, we might have had peace rolling for thirty years now.
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On July 03 2020 02:21 farvacola wrote:
Haha, that coming from the executive editor of the Washington Times is rich as fuck, where’s his tweets about swastika bearing neo nazis praising Trump? Oh yeah, folks like Mandel find Black people and Palestinians far scarier, forgot that.
And the correct term isn’t radical, Danglars, it’s reactionary.
I guess it's easier to just point out the horrific violence and displacement by force is criminal according to pretty much the entire planet except the US where such horrific violence and brutal forced relocation is supported.
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There are few things where the entire world is against Israel and the US, but Israel's attempted genocide of Palestinians (I think this is a fair compromise on a reference) is on the top of the list
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On July 03 2020 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
There are few things where the entire world is against Israel and the US, but Israel's attempted genocide of Palestinians (I think this is a fair compromise on a reference) is on the top of the list
Jews are the minority that aren't thought of as impoverished or particularly oppressed, therefore the world turning a blind eye to injustice against them is pretty expected. Educated elites muse about settlements while the single best thing going for Palestinians is Israeli possession of the Iron Dome, necessitating less retaliatory measures against the thousands of rockets fired at the country each year.
In case my stance isn't clear as it relates to the US, President Donald Trump has done an excellent job as it relates to US-Israel policy over the last 30 years.
On July 03 2020 05:07 JimmiC wrote:
The most successful genocide seems like a bad discussion to have but I think it is safe to say that quite often the victims of those genocides were Jews. This is one of the reasons Israel was set up and why they have such hard line right parties that get into power. That is shifting though as Netanyau barely hung on this time. It is important to remember that the middle east is super complicated with few good guys, many bad guys, a whole bunch of blood feuds going back generations and not nearly enough forgiveness and working together.
The world is complicated place with lots Grey and very little black and white.
I should add that the way the world, on average, has treated Israel throughout this whole ordeal, has propped up Israel's far-right parties and destroyed the far-left parties. It's been a very good "outcome" politically, but at too terrifying of a cost. The message has been "you're alone, save for the US, sometimes."
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On July 03 2020 05:29 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2020 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
There are few things where the entire world is against Israel and the US, but Israel's attempted genocide of Palestinians (I think this is a fair compromise on a reference) is on the top of the list Jews are the minority that aren't thought of as impoverished or particularly oppressed, therefore the world turning a blind eye to injustice against them is pretty expected. Educated elites muse about settlements while the single best thing going for Palestinians is Israeli possession of the Iron Dome, necessitating less retaliatory measures against the thousands of rockets fired at the country each year. In case my stance isn't clear as it relates to the US, President Donald Trump has done an excellent job as it relates to US-Israel policy over the last 30 years.
Jews and Israel aren't interchangeable terms (at least in this context). I'd argue the nearly unanimous international opposition to the settlements is one of the best things going for Palestinians, more so than that hollow shrine to violent stupidity called the "Iron Dome" at least.
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Do you have news if Pelosi is "creepy" too? "Completely nuts?" "Weird?"
Yes, it's common.
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Both. Trump's campaign loves to "troll" with plausibly deniable nazi references. The $88 baseball, the white power RT, the antifa symbol on FB, etc. It's a brilliant 'troll' in that the advice is usually to ignore it and let it proliferate unchecked else risk falling into the trap of being called overly sensitive or 'feeding the troll'.
So the result is increasingly overt references with decreasing opposition. Then it gets normalized and people start acting on their beliefs.
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On July 03 2020 05:43 Danglars wrote:Do you have news if Pelosi is "creepy" too? "Completely nuts?" "Weird?" Yes, it's common.
This is a symbol of a position.
Not a person.
Nice try though.
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