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On April 21 2020 22:43 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2020 21:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 21 2020 07:16 Simberto wrote:
Is that actually happening anywhere else but in the US?
From my experience here, people view the isolation as annoying, but necessary. Protests are happening in Canada, Brazil and Spain too. Even fucking Khaldor has been outspoken against the quarantines on Twitter. It definitely isn't isolated to just the United States. Where are you seeing the protests from Canada? I haven't heard about it in our newspapers, I wonder if it's getting selective coverage.
Vancouver protests. You can google it. Here I did a search for you.https://theprovince.com/news/local-news/covid-19-vancouver-police-escort-small-group-protesting-government-restrictions/wcm/8923e2f0-2b78-4288-b3ce-3733fe8db23a The headlines have changed since when I first read about it, trying to downplay it. But it doesn't change the fact it did happen.
It was happening there before it happened in the US. Not that it's a competition.
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On April 21 2020 22:43 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2020 21:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 21 2020 07:16 Simberto wrote:
Is that actually happening anywhere else but in the US?
From my experience here, people view the isolation as annoying, but necessary. Protests are happening in Canada, Brazil and Spain too. Even fucking Khaldor has been outspoken against the quarantines on Twitter. It definitely isn't isolated to just the United States. It's bound to happen more as people get increasingly tired of being isolated. At some point, they'll just not care anymore, as they cannot see the danger happening first-hand. And this is the vector I can see the virus lingering on in far higher numbers than it'd have needed to, causing much more death.I'd be all for allowing people to gather in groups, as long as any gathering required a signed agreement to only socialize with other signees until the end of the lockdown, and that in the case of infection, said people would be last in the queue for treatment. Either they'd show us all they were right and the danger's low, or they'd win their so-deseperately-sought-for darwin award.
I think it's the opposite, protests happen mostly at the start of isolation because people don't agree with the measures and underestimate the danger. Later they get used to the situation and redirect their frustrations to something else.
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On April 21 2020 22:56 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2020 22:43 plated.rawr wrote:On April 21 2020 21:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 21 2020 07:16 Simberto wrote:
Is that actually happening anywhere else but in the US?
From my experience here, people view the isolation as annoying, but necessary. Protests are happening in Canada, Brazil and Spain too. Even fucking Khaldor has been outspoken against the quarantines on Twitter. It definitely isn't isolated to just the United States. It's bound to happen more as people get increasingly tired of being isolated. At some point, they'll just not care anymore, as they cannot see the danger happening first-hand. And this is the vector I can see the virus lingering on in far higher numbers than it'd have needed to, causing much more death.I'd be all for allowing people to gather in groups, as long as any gathering required a signed agreement to only socialize with other signees until the end of the lockdown, and that in the case of infection, said people would be last in the queue for treatment. Either they'd show us all they were right and the danger's low, or they'd win their so-deseperately-sought-for darwin award. I think it's the opposite, protests happen mostly at the start of isolation because people don't agree with the measures and underestimate the danger. Later they get used to the situation and redirect their frustrations to something else.
It's not really at the start though, is it? I've been in home office a little over 5 weeks now, and I can feel normalcy setting in, my mind going "hey, it's not so bad after all, might as well meet your buddies for a few beers!" despite all knowledge I have telling me that the lockdown needs to keep on keeping on for months still, probably until a vaccine is in circulation.
Point being, as the lockdown continues and people aren't really seeing the effect (or choose to ignore them), they'll get desensitized to the situation and ignore curfew, causing a reblossoming of spread.
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On April 21 2020 23:04 plated.rawr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2020 22:56 Sent. wrote:On April 21 2020 22:43 plated.rawr wrote:On April 21 2020 21:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 21 2020 07:16 Simberto wrote:
Is that actually happening anywhere else but in the US?
From my experience here, people view the isolation as annoying, but necessary. Protests are happening in Canada, Brazil and Spain too. Even fucking Khaldor has been outspoken against the quarantines on Twitter. It definitely isn't isolated to just the United States. It's bound to happen more as people get increasingly tired of being isolated. At some point, they'll just not care anymore, as they cannot see the danger happening first-hand. And this is the vector I can see the virus lingering on in far higher numbers than it'd have needed to, causing much more death.I'd be all for allowing people to gather in groups, as long as any gathering required a signed agreement to only socialize with other signees until the end of the lockdown, and that in the case of infection, said people would be last in the queue for treatment. Either they'd show us all they were right and the danger's low, or they'd win their so-deseperately-sought-for darwin award. I think it's the opposite, protests happen mostly at the start of isolation because people don't agree with the measures and underestimate the danger. Later they get used to the situation and redirect their frustrations to something else. It's not really at the start though, is it? I've been in home office a little over 5 weeks now, and I can feel normalcy setting in, my mind going "hey, it's not so bad after all, might as well meet your buddies for a few beers!" despite all knowledge I have telling me that the lockdown needs to keep on keeping on for months still, probably until a vaccine is in circulation. Point being, as the lockdown continues and people aren't really seeing the effect (or choose to ignore them), they'll get desensitized to the situation and ignore curfew, causing a reblossoming of spread.
People are relaxing a lot in Oslo, yet I see that a lot of safety gestures (not getting closer than a meter fifty, not touching your face and so on) seem to have become automatic. I think we are just learning to live a somewhat normal life while still be very vigilant. I was kind of horrified to see parks full until I realized that it was only group of 2-3 people quite far apart from each other.
We'll see how the numbers evolve. At the moment, Norway uses 50 respirators out of 750 available and the number of folks in hospital both in intensive and in regular care has halved in the last two weeks.
I think what reaaaally matters most are small precautions. Norway does exceptionally well because Norwegians trust each other, and their government. The biggest danger for most countries now are either that they are ran by complete fools, like the US or Brazil, or that people just don't trust their governments and think they know better. Everyone in France seem to have an opinion on what Macron does wrong and what should be done instead. That's potentially very dangerous.
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On April 21 2020 22:51 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2020 22:43 mikedebo wrote:On April 21 2020 21:32 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 21 2020 07:16 Simberto wrote:
Is that actually happening anywhere else but in the US?
From my experience here, people view the isolation as annoying, but necessary. Protests are happening in Canada, Brazil and Spain too. Even fucking Khaldor has been outspoken against the quarantines on Twitter. It definitely isn't isolated to just the United States. Where are you seeing the protests from Canada? I haven't heard about it in our newspapers, I wonder if it's getting selective coverage. Vancouver protests. You can google it. Here I did a search for you.https://theprovince.com/news/local-news/covid-19-vancouver-police-escort-small-group-protesting-government-restrictions/wcm/8923e2f0-2b78-4288-b3ce-3733fe8db23a The headlines have changed since when I first read about it, trying to downplay it. But it doesn't change the fact it did happen. It was happening there before it happened in the US. Not that it's a competition.
Cool, thanks. I googled "Canada quarantine protests" and only a few things came up on conspiracy-grade sites. I hadn't seen this one.
One protest with 25 people in Kits is really not much compared to what I've seen elsewhere, but it is something.
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Talked a bit ago about how Covid-19 would play electorally. Biden being on the bottom of this list of who you trust on it doesn't bode well for Democrats imo.
Net he's not the worst (that's Trump per usual), but he does have the least people that trust him.
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Plenty of people who will vote for Biden will do so without trusting him.
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On April 22 2020 05:16 farvacola wrote:
Plenty of people who will vote for Biden will do so without trusting him.
Well that's true for practically every politician, every election.
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Right, which is why the MSM likes to trot out polling that asks questions that are only related to voting decisions on a very superficial level. Why you’d follow their lead to make a similarly superficial point is beyond me.
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On April 22 2020 05:24 farvacola wrote:
Right, which is why the MSM likes to trot out polling that asks questions that are only related to voting decisions on a very superficial level. Why you’d follow their lead to make a similarly superficial point is beyond me.
Because people have speculated Trump's response could negatively impact him electorally yet more people trust him than Biden on covid atm.
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Trump’s response can/could/should/will have an impact on the election regardless of whether you’ve decided the loaded propositions set forth by popcorn media are useful to your point today.
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On April 22 2020 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Trump’s response can/could/should/will have an impact on the election regardless of whether you’ve decided the loaded propositions set forth by popcorn media are useful to your point today.
We agree it is likely to impact the election. Whether it will help Biden is much less likely, this (Biden having the least people trusting him on covid-19) being a small data point supporting that imo.
I won't be surprised if Biden gets replaced with Cuomo by Democrats as a result of this (and all the other stuff of course).
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On April 22 2020 05:30 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2020 05:24 farvacola wrote:
Right, which is why the MSM likes to trot out polling that asks questions that are only related to voting decisions on a very superficial level. Why you’d follow their lead to make a similarly superficial point is beyond me. Because people have speculated Trump's response could negatively impact him electorally yet more people trust him than Biden on covid atm. If Trump said the sun was purple 40% of the country would find a way to square reality with the notion that the sun is in fact purple.
Its a meaningless statistic.
And what question did they even ask to get at those numbers?
45% of people had no opinion for Biden. Could it shockingly be that it is because he has been relatively quite about it?
Its folly to base anything on poll question where half the people apparently didn't give an answer.
On April 22 2020 05:45 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2020 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Trump’s response can/could/should/will have an impact on the election regardless of whether you’ve decided the loaded propositions set forth by popcorn media are useful to your point today. We agree it is likely to impact the election. Whether it will help Biden is much less likely, this (Biden having the least people trusting him on covid-19) being a small data point supporting that imo. It will help Biden because Trump will be judged on how this crisis goes, or how people are told that this crisis has gone facts be damned.
Biden doesn't have to do a damn thing for that to happen.
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Politico did some interesting reporting on the Biden campaign's digital efforts amid this unprecedented campaign season (given the pandemic). The main argument is between Bloomberg's Hawkfish firm and Biden building an internal team with the alternative options of "Groundwork, the tech vendor Clinton’s 2016 campaign used that was championed by Google’s Eric Schmidt" and Blue State Digital which has some former Warren staffers.
Joe Biden’s campaign leadership is clashing over the future of its digital operation — a rift that comes as campaigning has moved largely online and as Biden faces a yawning deficit against President Donald Trump’s massive digital operation.
The disagreement among Biden’s top advisers centers on whether to hire most of its digital team internally or to rely on the firm Hawkfish, which is backed financially by billionaire Mike Bloomberg and ran the digital operation for his presidential campaign.
The outcome of the internal battle will have far-reaching consequences for November as the coronavirus pandemic has made traditional campaigning — rallies with crowds and get-out-the-vote efforts like door knocking — all but impossible, while pushing digital campaigning to the forefront.
The internal argument over Hawkfish — detailed by 10 Democratic officials, including several who have spoken with the campaign — has stalled Biden’s hiring just as his new campaign manager, Jen O’Malley Dillon, settles into her role. Since the coronavirus shutdown began last month, the campaign has not added any digital staffers.
Advocates for Hawkfish argue that instead of spending weeks or potentially months building an in-house team, the campaign could plug and play the firm now. They say it is flush with Bloomberg’s cash and boasts an impressive roster of Silicon Valley talent.
Advocates of the in-house approach argue that it would make the campaign more nimble, save money, and generate more authentic content. They add that they believe Biden campaign’s senior leadership is being lured by grandiose promises and warn that the campaign would be turning over its most critical tool to a firm with little political experience that’s backed by a man who was not a Democrat for most of his life.
“It’s been said that Hawkfish is trying to pitch themselves as the cheapest option so they have a shot at taking over the party data infrastructure,” Cole said. “If that happens, I won’t know who we are as a party anymore.”
www.politico.com
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Anything associated with the Clinton 2016 campaign should be burned with fire. If Bloomberg wants to run ads let him do it on his own dollars. That whole apparatus is financially useless for Bloomberg unless Biden invests in it. Internal or Blue state Digital are the only options that make any sense. So I fully expect Biden to invest in both of the others.
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Gov. Kemp had the CDC sign off on his plans (if that matters for you). Honestly, people advocating for lockdown until a vaccine comes (ya'll know how coronaviruses work, right?) are unaware how damaging that will be compared to the virus itself. People can tolerate a month at most before you see people say fuck you I need to feed, house, and live my damn life. Draconian policies are only going to have the opposite intended effect (it's like telling a teenager, you're forbidden to drink, have sex, or smoke), but hey, intentions are the only thing that matters, or you can bitch about how people aren't automatons and don't obey Government edicts with 100% veracity.
Also, I get a kick out of the people wearing cloth masks. Do people even know that cloth masks *increase* your risk of infection and spreading it (if you want proof I'll post a litany of NIH studies for your perusal)? Ironically, Government mandated mask wearing will do more harm than good.
I work with the most at-risk population (geriatric with significant co-morbidities as an OT), we should take precautions to safeguard them, for the rest of us we need to get on with our lives over a relatively minor virus.
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On April 22 2020 05:15 GreenHorizons wrote:Talked a bit ago about how Covid-19 would play electorally. Biden being on the bottom of this list of who you trust on it doesn't bode well for Democrats imo. https://twitter.com/NicholsUprising/status/1252400701151404033Net he's not the worst (that's Trump per usual), but he does have the least people that trust him.
I don't really understand why Cuomo is pretty high up on this list. From what I can tell New York got most of the worst of the crisis and I suspect that Cuomo's early indecision in the crisis (failing to close schools etc) played a large role in allowing it to get as bad as it did.
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On April 22 2020 13:00 LegalLord wrote:I don't really understand why Cuomo is pretty high up on this list. From what I can tell New York got most of the worst of the crisis and I suspect that Cuomo's early indecision in the crisis (failing to close schools etc) played a large role in allowing it to get as bad as it did.
NY, the place where the health commissioner told people (implied or not) they were racist if they didn't show up to the Chinatown Parade for the Lunar New Year lol.
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