• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:25
CEST 08:25
KST 15:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End3Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
GSTL Returns in 2026!41Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-611
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) SC4ALL: II Talent Announcement! Protoss AoE skill expression Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End Rush's Odyssey Controversy BW General Discussion StarCraft 64 is coming to Philly at SC4ALL II Best Games Kespa era
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! [ASL22] Ro24 Group A ASL Season 22 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9696 users

US Politics Mega-thread - Page 225

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 223 224 225 226 227 5912 Next
Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.


If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread
sc-darkness
Profile Joined August 2017
856 Posts
May 24 2018 19:18 GMT
#4481
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 03:17 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Do you think Trump is better than Obama then? That's surprising. I think even a donkey is better than him. At least the donkey won't cause problems.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 19:48:09
May 24 2018 19:45 GMT
#4482
On May 25 2018 03:01 Starlightsun wrote:
I wonder which country this administration will instigate a full war with first. Seems like they are gearing up for either Iran or North Korea. John Bolton is jizzing himself.


Why not both? With the way this is going it will probably save USA money and time...
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 20:05:21
May 24 2018 20:05 GMT
#4483
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 03:17 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Drumpf and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Do you think Drumpf is better than Obama then? That's surprising. I think even a donkey is better than him. At least the donkey won't cause problems.


You are severely underestimating the value that donkeys create in the world. The net benefit is far superior to anything Drumpf has offered the world.

NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 24 2018 20:17 GMT
#4484
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 03:17 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Do you think Trump is better than Obama then? That's surprising. I think even a donkey is better than him. At least the donkey won't cause problems.

You gotta remember, Obama put poupon on that one sandwich he ate back in the day. You can't just go slamming one president without acknowledging the faults of the other.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24253 Posts
May 24 2018 21:04 GMT
#4485
On May 25 2018 02:55 a_flayer wrote:
And you will only be allowed to blame Trump if you agree that it was Russia who elected him.

Seriously, how do you not see this pattern with North Korea, and other "problem countries"? It is always the US who surreptitiously begins undermining stability and messing around with shit. The US blamed Saddam Hussein for supporting terrorism as well, just like they did with Syria. That shit has consequences when the US produces all that grain for the world.

Feeding the world American style, Col. Sanders has an empire behind his smile. With a mission and a cheque book promising aid, he talked of control and the terrible drought and the way that the West would bail them out. Then he stopped smiling and talked conditions. Of mutual aid, of American wishes. Sending in aid with sewn on strings. If they won't buy arms, then it's pulled back in (or you know, whatever else the US wants).

And then 20 years later, it's always "well, that country left that agreement, such country violated sanctions there" or "they didn't want to talk to us anymore." No one's gonna remember Bolton spouting off about Libya on Fox News, just like no one remembers Congress undermining previous agreements. It's going to be "North Korea withdrew from the meeting, and the US government took a hard stance against such frivolous actions. Cause we're strong burly men! Ooorah! Oh yeah and Trump the Russian - certainly not American - president was a douche during that time!"


The total lack of focus from voters on what you describe there is probably the most frustrating part about Trump's presidency.

Trump's managed to turn Democrats into the biggest supporters of the FBI and CIA in the country. They spent years being upset about us torturing people, then they give Trump the votes he needed (and then some) to put a torture supervisor in charge of the CIA and the former CIA head in charge of the State dept and the party doesn't even blink.

Luckily a handful of progressive challengers overcame the party and booted the party's chosen candidate to the curb, the biggest one in Georgia, where they are on the way to the first Black woman Governor.

On Tuesday night, former Georgia House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams became the Democratic nominee for governor, defeating her primary opponent Stacey Evans by over 50 points, claiming victories in urban and rural counties alike and far exceeding even the most generous poll predictions. If Abrams goes on to win the general election in November, she would become the first African-American woman to become governor in any state.

Yet Abrams’ win should not be limited only to conversations about historical firsts. The success of Abrams’ campaign should be a mandate for the future of Democratic politics and campaigns.

Given the choice between the same failing Democratic playbook of trying to win over moderate conservatives and a bold vision grounded in building a new winning coalition, voters overwhelmingly chose the latter. And by both mobilizing the existing base of the Democratic party and expanding on that coalition by engaging new voters, Abrams reduced the turnout gap between Republican and Democratic voters to just 54,000 votes ― compared to nearly 300,000 the last time both primaries were contested, in 2010.


www.huffingtonpost.com
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12148 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 21:08:46
May 24 2018 21:06 GMT
#4486
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Trump would need to do a lot of great stuff to compensate for pulling out of the Paris agreement. The other stuff looks like a net negative as well from an outsiders point of view.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
May 24 2018 21:10 GMT
#4487
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 03:17 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Do you think Trump is better than Obama then? That's surprising. I think even a donkey is better than him. At least the donkey won't cause problems.


Think about it this way: which of the two Presidents delivered more things that conservatives care about? The answer is, unfortunately, Trump. Even if he did it by accident.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 24 2018 21:11 GMT
#4488
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 03:17 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Do you think Trump is better than Obama then? That's surprising. I think even a donkey is better than him. At least the donkey won't cause problems.

Yes. I think a lot in terms of policies that he’s gotten done, his administration picks (of the ones left haha), judiciary picks, and partly his willingness to fight on some big problems facing America that predecessors have previously ceded the ground. I say partly because he goes overboard in childish and petulant fashion, frequently, which I don’t approve of and wish he’d cut out. Exactly when and where he’s doing good/mostly good/mostly bad/bad would take days to write. When I’ve asked libs about why they’re surprised, I’m also amused at how much they simply disapprove of the Republican Party platform in general and less so Trump.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22519 Posts
May 24 2018 21:13 GMT
#4489
Trump is not doing bad if your a middle class white conservative with a lack of empathy for those who are effected by him.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 24 2018 21:16 GMT
#4490
On May 25 2018 06:06 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Trump would need to do a lot of great stuff to compensate for pulling out of the Paris agreement. The other stuff looks like a net negative as well from an outsiders point of view.

I applaud Trump for pulling out of the Paris agreement. He would be a coward and a charlatan in my eyes if he had not honored that campaign promise. I got what I voted for in that instance.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
May 24 2018 21:20 GMT
#4491
On May 25 2018 06:16 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 06:06 Yurie wrote:
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Trump would need to do a lot of great stuff to compensate for pulling out of the Paris agreement. The other stuff looks like a net negative as well from an outsiders point of view.

I applaud Trump for pulling out of the Paris agreement. He would be a coward and a charlatan in my eyes if he had not honored that campaign promise. I got what I voted for in that instance.


Just curious, seeing how the Paris agreement was non binding, what did we gain by pulling out?
Something witty
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 21:25:05
May 24 2018 21:23 GMT
#4492
On May 25 2018 06:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 02:55 a_flayer wrote:
And you will only be allowed to blame Trump if you agree that it was Russia who elected him.

Seriously, how do you not see this pattern with North Korea, and other "problem countries"? It is always the US who surreptitiously begins undermining stability and messing around with shit. The US blamed Saddam Hussein for supporting terrorism as well, just like they did with Syria. That shit has consequences when the US produces all that grain for the world.

Feeding the world American style, Col. Sanders has an empire behind his smile. With a mission and a cheque book promising aid, he talked of control and the terrible drought and the way that the West would bail them out. Then he stopped smiling and talked conditions. Of mutual aid, of American wishes. Sending in aid with sewn on strings. If they won't buy arms, then it's pulled back in (or you know, whatever else the US wants).

And then 20 years later, it's always "well, that country left that agreement, such country violated sanctions there" or "they didn't want to talk to us anymore." No one's gonna remember Bolton spouting off about Libya on Fox News, just like no one remembers Congress undermining previous agreements. It's going to be "North Korea withdrew from the meeting, and the US government took a hard stance against such frivolous actions. Cause we're strong burly men! Ooorah! Oh yeah and Trump the Russian - certainly not American - president was a douche during that time!"


The total lack of focus from voters on what you describe there is probably the most frustrating part about Trump's presidency.

Trump's managed to turn Democrats into the biggest supporters of the FBI and CIA in the country. They spent years being upset about us torturing people, then they give Trump the votes he needed (and then some) to put a torture supervisor in charge of the CIA and the former CIA head in charge of the State dept and the party doesn't even blink.

Luckily a handful of progressive challengers overcame the party and booted the party's chosen candidate to the curb, the biggest one in Georgia, where they are on the way to the first Black woman Governor.

Show nested quote +
On Tuesday night, former Georgia House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams became the Democratic nominee for governor, defeating her primary opponent Stacey Evans by over 50 points, claiming victories in urban and rural counties alike and far exceeding even the most generous poll predictions. If Abrams goes on to win the general election in November, she would become the first African-American woman to become governor in any state.

Yet Abrams’ win should not be limited only to conversations about historical firsts. The success of Abrams’ campaign should be a mandate for the future of Democratic politics and campaigns.

Given the choice between the same failing Democratic playbook of trying to win over moderate conservatives and a bold vision grounded in building a new winning coalition, voters overwhelmingly chose the latter. And by both mobilizing the existing base of the Democratic party and expanding on that coalition by engaging new voters, Abrams reduced the turnout gap between Republican and Democratic voters to just 54,000 votes ― compared to nearly 300,000 the last time both primaries were contested, in 2010.


www.huffingtonpost.com

She's decent enough on the issues (health care justice reform housing education environment). But she appears to be a professional politician. I don't see the "money is the problem" tag on her website at least. And her stance on war appears to be simply "supportive of the military". Boo. I suppose not much you can do about that as a governor though.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24253 Posts
May 24 2018 21:29 GMT
#4493
On May 25 2018 06:23 a_flayer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 06:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 25 2018 02:55 a_flayer wrote:
And you will only be allowed to blame Trump if you agree that it was Russia who elected him.

Seriously, how do you not see this pattern with North Korea, and other "problem countries"? It is always the US who surreptitiously begins undermining stability and messing around with shit. The US blamed Saddam Hussein for supporting terrorism as well, just like they did with Syria. That shit has consequences when the US produces all that grain for the world.

Feeding the world American style, Col. Sanders has an empire behind his smile. With a mission and a cheque book promising aid, he talked of control and the terrible drought and the way that the West would bail them out. Then he stopped smiling and talked conditions. Of mutual aid, of American wishes. Sending in aid with sewn on strings. If they won't buy arms, then it's pulled back in (or you know, whatever else the US wants).

And then 20 years later, it's always "well, that country left that agreement, such country violated sanctions there" or "they didn't want to talk to us anymore." No one's gonna remember Bolton spouting off about Libya on Fox News, just like no one remembers Congress undermining previous agreements. It's going to be "North Korea withdrew from the meeting, and the US government took a hard stance against such frivolous actions. Cause we're strong burly men! Ooorah! Oh yeah and Trump the Russian - certainly not American - president was a douche during that time!"


The total lack of focus from voters on what you describe there is probably the most frustrating part about Trump's presidency.

Trump's managed to turn Democrats into the biggest supporters of the FBI and CIA in the country. They spent years being upset about us torturing people, then they give Trump the votes he needed (and then some) to put a torture supervisor in charge of the CIA and the former CIA head in charge of the State dept and the party doesn't even blink.

Luckily a handful of progressive challengers overcame the party and booted the party's chosen candidate to the curb, the biggest one in Georgia, where they are on the way to the first Black woman Governor.

On Tuesday night, former Georgia House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams became the Democratic nominee for governor, defeating her primary opponent Stacey Evans by over 50 points, claiming victories in urban and rural counties alike and far exceeding even the most generous poll predictions. If Abrams goes on to win the general election in November, she would become the first African-American woman to become governor in any state.

Yet Abrams’ win should not be limited only to conversations about historical firsts. The success of Abrams’ campaign should be a mandate for the future of Democratic politics and campaigns.

Given the choice between the same failing Democratic playbook of trying to win over moderate conservatives and a bold vision grounded in building a new winning coalition, voters overwhelmingly chose the latter. And by both mobilizing the existing base of the Democratic party and expanding on that coalition by engaging new voters, Abrams reduced the turnout gap between Republican and Democratic voters to just 54,000 votes ― compared to nearly 300,000 the last time both primaries were contested, in 2010.


www.huffingtonpost.com

She's decent enough on the issues (health care justice reform housing education environment). But she appears to be a professional politician. I don't see the "money is the problem" tag on her website at least. And her stance on war appears to be simply "supportive of the military". Boo. I suppose not much you can do about that as a governor though.


Yeah, she's far from perfect, or even that far left. It just demonstrates that Democrats strategy is what is suppressing their turnout. It's not that people won't vote for people to the left of their anointed candidates.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 24 2018 21:36 GMT
#4494
The DCCC has not really learned that getting directly involved in attacking the candidate they don't want to win is a terrible plan in 2018. They really just need to chill, endorse who they endorse and back off.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24253 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-24 21:40:48
May 24 2018 21:40 GMT
#4495
On May 25 2018 06:36 Plansix wrote:
The DCCC has not really learned that getting directly involved in attacking the candidate they don't want to win is a terrible plan in 2018. They really just need to chill, endorse who they endorse and back off.


Probably shouldn't be endorsing in primaries as an organization either. Unless the point is to identify the establishment preference so voters know to vote against them.

Hillary gets a little more slack for coming out against the woman candidate in NY since she at least lives there. She'll have to negotiate with Satan and Albright whether that gets her a special place in hell or not.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 24 2018 21:44 GMT
#4496
On May 25 2018 06:20 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 06:16 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 06:06 Yurie wrote:
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Trump would need to do a lot of great stuff to compensate for pulling out of the Paris agreement. The other stuff looks like a net negative as well from an outsiders point of view.

I applaud Trump for pulling out of the Paris agreement. He would be a coward and a charlatan in my eyes if he had not honored that campaign promise. I got what I voted for in that instance.


Just curious, seeing how the Paris agreement was non binding, what did we gain by pulling out?

It’s a little involved and xDaunt and I laid out a case back when it was announced in the prior thread over about 20 pages. The rough start is here. I recommend reading the question-response cycle from the both of us from multiple questioners to understand all the nuance. Additionally, Trump himself made an excellent speech on the matter you can find here that nails additional points. I know from experience that answers here only yield additional questions, so I hope you’ll read.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 24 2018 21:49 GMT
#4497
On May 25 2018 06:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 06:36 Plansix wrote:
The DCCC has not really learned that getting directly involved in attacking the candidate they don't want to win is a terrible plan in 2018. They really just need to chill, endorse who they endorse and back off.


Probably shouldn't be endorsing in primaries as an organization either. Unless the point is to identify the establishment preference so voters know to vote against them.

Hillary gets a little more slack for coming out against the woman candidate in NY since she at least lives there. She'll have to negotiate with Satan and Albright whether that gets her a special place in hell or not.

Both parties have been doing it since the reconstruction era, it’s the game. But they shouldn’t try to stop legitimate candidates.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
May 24 2018 21:53 GMT
#4498
On May 25 2018 06:20 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 06:16 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 06:06 Yurie wrote:
On May 25 2018 03:46 Danglars wrote:
On May 25 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote:
Can we already impeach Trump and replace him with some Obama-like president for the sake of places like Europe? This guy is just walking trouble.

Not enough people agree with you. I’d focus your energies on fielding a good candidate for 2020. I didn’t like Obama’s presidency, but he got replaced by a guy stiffly opposed in eight years—even partially undoing a couple major things I disliked. You can try for doing the same in four years. It’s totally possible.


Trump would need to do a lot of great stuff to compensate for pulling out of the Paris agreement. The other stuff looks like a net negative as well from an outsiders point of view.

I applaud Trump for pulling out of the Paris agreement. He would be a coward and a charlatan in my eyes if he had not honored that campaign promise. I got what I voted for in that instance.


Just curious, seeing how the Paris agreement was non binding, what did we gain by pulling out?


That’s sort of the question you have to ask with regards to everything Trump has done in the international space. His form of negotiation is basically “you’ll give me what I want or no deal”, which then a lot of countries at this point just say “well, I’ll just buy soybeans from Russia or start a trade agreement with the EU instead.”

I just got an email that Caselabs is increasing prices because of the aluminium tarrifs. It sure isn’t impacting Thermaltake’s prices of their Caselabs clones.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24253 Posts
May 24 2018 22:08 GMT
#4499
On May 25 2018 06:49 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2018 06:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
On May 25 2018 06:36 Plansix wrote:
The DCCC has not really learned that getting directly involved in attacking the candidate they don't want to win is a terrible plan in 2018. They really just need to chill, endorse who they endorse and back off.


Probably shouldn't be endorsing in primaries as an organization either. Unless the point is to identify the establishment preference so voters know to vote against them.

Hillary gets a little more slack for coming out against the woman candidate in NY since she at least lives there. She'll have to negotiate with Satan and Albright whether that gets her a special place in hell or not.

Both parties have been doing it since the reconstruction era, it’s the game. But they shouldn’t try to stop legitimate candidates.


I don't accept the idea that the game being rigged for so long means we should concede it to 'it's just the way it is'. Moreover, opposing legitimate candidates in the interest of securing their positions is as old and integrated as the selection part. Both aspects shouldn't be a part of what the party (and it's apparatuses) do, regardless of how long they've got away with it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 25 2018 03:44 GMT
#4500
So Trump just signed or rolled back regulations for the banking industry, protecting banks that have up to $200 billion in assets. Whats the layman terms for how this affects the economy? I know smaller banks now are destined to fail if they loan out more than they're worth, but what else can happen?
Life?
Prev 1 223 224 225 226 227 5912 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #20
Liquipedia
IPSL
16:00
CSLAN Day 2
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft669
NeuroSwarm 163
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 792
Mind 123
Noble 32
yabsab 28
Icarus 12
Britney 0
League of Legends
JimRising 683
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King107
Other Games
summit1g7259
ceh982
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH349
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2310
League of Legends
• Rush1156
• Stunt485
• HappyZerGling121
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
3h 35m
Rush vs Hm
Bisu vs Shuttle
WardiTV Weekly
4h 35m
The Patches Monday
9h 35m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 3h
Sharp vs Shinee
Action vs Shine
GSL
1d 4h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
PiG Sty Festival
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
PiG Sty Festival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLAN 4
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.