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On September 24 2019 19:15 Vivax wrote:
ive read something alont the lines today that germany france and the uk agree on iran being the culprit. wouldnt be surprised if the prelude to an attack on iran is over now... meh i hate wars
It was just a standard empty condemnation combined with a vague call for diplomatic solutions. There's even this gem from Johnson:
"If it was a bad deal, and I'm willing to accept that it had many, many defects, then let's do a better deal," he said in an interview with US media. "I think there's one guy who can do a better deal and one guy who understands how to get a difficult partner like Iran over the line and that is the president of the United States. So I hope that there will be a Trump deal, to be totally honest with you." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49805591
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On September 24 2019 23:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2019 23:36 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 24 2019 23:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
So you think shutting down all major airports in the US would have anything remotely resembling popular support if not for the oligarchical control of society? I don't. I think the drastic measures required to adequately deal with climate change do not have popular support, yet. (In Norway, the two parties that imo go anywhere far enough have ~12% from the adult population added up). I'm saying actions of that scale and level of disruption are necessary and neoliberal harm reduction isn't only not a solution, it's a tool of repression meant to prevent such actions from being realized. What do you wager the % of action of that scale and level of disruption happening and being successful? 
Depends on a lot of factors, but doesn't really change its inevitable necessity or that neoliberal harm reduction is a tool of repression wielded against it.
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On September 24 2019 22:04 Silvanel wrote:
Because emotion based policies are never good. Like the Fukishima-Germany reaction i mentioned or the fact that average Norwegian creates more pollution than avarage pole (it is our Industry which evens the score) yet it us who are seen and described as dirty polluters even in this very thread. In enviromental discussion the perception is more important than facts.
What is the emotion we're talking about here?
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today after google announced quantum supremacy (and the ft grabbed a copy before the announcement got swept under the rug) a crypto bloodbath has been set in motion. could be the beginning of the end of conventional encryption.
after pondering on it for a bit, but theres surely more tech savvy guys in here, doesnt that allow the controller of such a computer to gain control of the entire internet infrastructure?
once ita capable of breaking 256, they can just crack any connection they want and manipulate it to their liking. bank accounts, your privacy, bring governments to their knees. its a terrifying prospect. if i didnt own such a device, id be supposed to do everything i could to stop it from being deployed.
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On September 24 2019 17:41 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2019 16:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:thunberg is fantastic. Her rage is spot on and it's depressing how apathetic most adults are. The one thing that does fill me with optimism is that the upcoming generation is so far ahead of their parents regarding protecting climate and environment. I mean my sample size isn't great but I've basically noticed that climate is the one political issue my pupils tend to know something about and care about. Seen fights happen over littering, lotta kids wanting to go vegetarian, kids literally having 'pick up plastic from the street and beach' as a hobby, climate strikes happening, the parties that think climate by far trumping every other issue in matter of importance getting 40% of votes from the mock high school elections (same parties totaling at around 20% in the real elections). It's all moving too slowly, and it's so sad how we actually could have started doing stuff 50 years ago, which would have made all the difference.  Over here Norway is this mythical land where everything is great. Does the Norway environmental movement propose measures that actually work regarding climate change? From the few things you mentioned it sounds very similar to what I see in Germany. People care deeply about charismatic issues like paper bags and plastic in the oceans, to the point that they would rather hurt the climate more if it makes them feel better at supermarket checkout. Germany has one of the highest recycling rates in the world and we are now felling trees to make paper bags because people feel icky about plastic bags when shopping. Our Green party is the best example of this with every other proposal effectively accelerating climate change for some charismatic issue that makes people feel good. Anyway I am rambling I went to FFF last week because I feel very much about the issue but the speeches and signs at the rallye turned me off the whole movement.
trees are a renewable resource and paper usage is on net carbon neutral when trees are replaced, right? what would you propose we use instead of trees? paper is easier to recycle as well
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shutting down airports with the goal of stopping all air travel seems like a bad plan
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Very curious what Pelosi ends up saying.
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On September 25 2019 05:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Very curious what Pelosi ends up saying.
i bet hes going to get impeached, and i guess most will realize afterwards they were better off with him. just my gut tho, im an addict to predicting/guessing things :p
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On September 25 2019 04:53 Vivax wrote:
today after google announced quantum supremacy (and the ft grabbed a copy before the announcement got swept under the rug) a crypto bloodbath has been set in motion. could be the beginning of the end of conventional encryption.
after pondering on it for a bit, but theres surely more tech savvy guys in here, doesnt that allow the controller of such a computer to gain control of the entire internet infrastructure?
once ita capable of breaking 256, they can just crack any connection they want and manipulate it to their liking. bank accounts, your privacy, bring governments to their knees. its a terrifying prospect. if i didnt own such a device, id be supposed to do everything i could to stop it from being deployed.
That's not really viable yet. Google's computer doesn't break encryption, it's not a general purpose quantum computer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-quantum_cryptography
With ever increasing key sizes, quantum computing is a long ways away from breaking RSA or ECC based cryptography. Until such a time though, the rollout of TLS 1.3 and perfect forward secrecy along with other improvements in encryption will continue to keep communication secure.
On topic though, the impeachment proceedings starting is going to be fun. Republicans have thrown all their 2020 eggs into Trump's basket, with the cancellation of some primaries, so if this drags on, it might be a popcornfest
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Wow she actually announced impeachment. Did not expect this at all.
The actions of the Trump presidency revealed the dishonorable fact of the presidents betrayal of his oath of office, betrayal of our national security and betrayal of the integrity of our elections. Therefore today I'm announcing the house of representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry
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A part of me wonders whether this was the plan all along, wait with starting it to maximise impact for the elections rather then letting it fizzle out in the Senate some time before.
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They probably think this illegal blocking of whistleblower complaint gives them the ammo they need
To shape the narrative the trump administration is now going to release a transcript of a call that will probably be harmless. But surely this whistleblower complaint will be about more than a call they are now fine with releasing, because why would they have blocked it otherwise?
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On September 25 2019 06:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
They probably think this illegal blocking of whistleblower complaint gives them the ammo they need
To shape the narrative the trump administration is now going to release a transcript of a call that will probably be harmless. But surely this whistleblower complaint will be about more than a call they are now fine with releasing, because why would they have blocked it otherwise? I heard it was a series of calls? They are probably releasing the most innocent one and calling that everything so that his followers can eat that up.
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On September 25 2019 07:03 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2019 06:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
They probably think this illegal blocking of whistleblower complaint gives them the ammo they need
To shape the narrative the trump administration is now going to release a transcript of a call that will probably be harmless. But surely this whistleblower complaint will be about more than a call they are now fine with releasing, because why would they have blocked it otherwise? I heard it was a series of calls? They are probably releasing the most innocent one and calling that everything so that his followers can eat that up.
That’s correct, the word on the whistleblower complaint is that it was issued after numerous instances of improper conduct.
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On September 25 2019 07:10 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2019 07:03 Gorsameth wrote:On September 25 2019 06:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
They probably think this illegal blocking of whistleblower complaint gives them the ammo they need
To shape the narrative the trump administration is now going to release a transcript of a call that will probably be harmless. But surely this whistleblower complaint will be about more than a call they are now fine with releasing, because why would they have blocked it otherwise? I heard it was a series of calls? They are probably releasing the most innocent one and calling that everything so that his followers can eat that up. That’s correct, the word on the whistleblower complaint is that it was issued after numerous instances of improper conduct.
That describes everything Trump's done though doesn't it ? You think this actually makes it to a floor vote on articles of impeachment?
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Indeed, but with reference to the whistleblower complaint, there appears to be a common thread connecting the alleged acts.
I’m not sure on whether this thing will move or not, but I do think it has legs that prior controversies did not.
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On September 25 2019 07:11 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2019 05:14 IgnE wrote:On September 24 2019 17:41 zatic wrote:On September 24 2019 16:11 Liquid`Drone wrote:thunberg is fantastic. Her rage is spot on and it's depressing how apathetic most adults are. The one thing that does fill me with optimism is that the upcoming generation is so far ahead of their parents regarding protecting climate and environment. I mean my sample size isn't great but I've basically noticed that climate is the one political issue my pupils tend to know something about and care about. Seen fights happen over littering, lotta kids wanting to go vegetarian, kids literally having 'pick up plastic from the street and beach' as a hobby, climate strikes happening, the parties that think climate by far trumping every other issue in matter of importance getting 40% of votes from the mock high school elections (same parties totaling at around 20% in the real elections). It's all moving too slowly, and it's so sad how we actually could have started doing stuff 50 years ago, which would have made all the difference. Over here Norway is this mythical land where everything is great. Does the Norway environmental movement propose measures that actually work regarding climate change? From the few things you mentioned it sounds very similar to what I see in Germany. People care deeply about charismatic issues like paper bags and plastic in the oceans, to the point that they would rather hurt the climate more if it makes them feel better at supermarket checkout. Germany has one of the highest recycling rates in the world and we are now felling trees to make paper bags because people feel icky about plastic bags when shopping. Our Green party is the best example of this with every other proposal effectively accelerating climate change for some charismatic issue that makes people feel good. Anyway I am rambling I went to FFF last week because I feel very much about the issue but the speeches and signs at the rallye turned me off the whole movement. trees are a renewable resource and paper usage is on net carbon neutral when trees are replaced, right? what would you propose we use instead of trees? paper is easier to recycle as well Turning a tree into paper costs carbon and it takes a long time for the tree to get back so it is not neutral. Also, paper tends to tear and rip much more commonly than plastic and it does not take many cracked eggs given the high carbon cost of our food to make up the difference. The best alternative is source reduction. But short of buying less reusable bags are the best. What you want to look into is how many uses it takes for them to pay for themselves (in regards to carbon) and that at the end of its life it is recyclable. Side note is that the actual problem with plastic bags is not their use it is their over use, a plastic bag used multiple times and then eventually used as a garbage bag is pretty good considering it ends up replacing a garbage bag. So what is often promoted from environmental scientists is a charge per bag and higher is better so think a quarter per. This has shown huge results as far as reduction goes. To make it even a better program you would mandate the store donate that money to a environmental charity or tree planting or whatever and then the store could promote that if you like. TLDR- the plastic bag problem is not the plastic bag it is that there is way to many and because people don’t value them they end up as litter and in waterways and oceans. When you look into the weight and Carbon and so on it is not a major issue, not as small as the frustrating straw bans but not really what people should focus on.
at steady state though, barring energy costs (which could be renewable themselves) paper production is carbon neutral. i think people overstate in general the cost of “killing trees” to make paper products. trees are actually a pretty useful resource.
i agree w the gist of your post, but again, i question whether “reduced” plastic is really that much more viable for the intended purposes you are positing than tree-based or plant-based products
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On September 25 2019 07:47 farvacola wrote:
Indeed, but with reference to the whistleblower complaint, there appears to be a common thread connecting the alleged acts.
I’m not sure on whether this thing will move or not, but I do think it has legs that prior controversies did not.
Same, but the non-binding part of this 100-0 resolution still makes me squint. I remain skeptical, but we'll see.
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