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farvacola
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JimmiC
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Yurie
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On September 18 2019 00:57 KwarK wrote: Using contract workers in this way sucks for the workers, and honestly it’s not great for the company. It’s not socially good to have individuals with no guarantee of hours or income, it leads to poverty traps like payday loans to smooth out irregular income. The company bottom line may be better but society as a whole is poorer when you don’t give the working poor a stable foundation to build their lives on. The quality of work is also not as good due to high turnover. I’m actually in the process of generating an analysis on this for my current benefactor, in part motivated because I’d like to make a financial case for them to not be so shitty to our temps. My hypothesis is that the gains in labour quantity and price variance are offset by negative material quantity variances from scrap, increased CoQ and rework, and training time. The problem is placing a dollar value on having a stable team doing the job they’ve trained to do. In a basic model employees are treated as interchangeable parts but I suspect that when I dig into the numbers the temps will have a lot of costs we haven’t properly accounted for. Something to consider is brand loyalty if you work in a company that wants to charge premium rates in their area. If you deliver a bad product you lose a customer and part of your premium brand (word of mouth). If you aren't a premium brand this is much less important though. The company I work for had a lot of problems with delivering in time when releasing its new product. Quality also dropped a bit compared to the older and more tested product. Both made us take a big hit in customer view of the brand. From being above average compared to our competitors in sales and services experience to a drop down to slightly below average. Since that is on a rolling period we will likely see a further drop and have to spend a lot of money on campaigns and activities to keep our customers happy. Another of those things most people don't think about when it comes to quality problems. It isn't just something you need to service, it is brand value and customer loyalty you lose. On September 18 2019 01:35 JimmiC wrote: I second this, and would love to find out your results. We are told to take into account the "triple bottom line" (money, social and environmental) but too often we really take only money into account. This is even truer when you look at who we award contracts too. The company I work at targetted environment in the nomination process by rating the companies that offer. If their sustainability score is too poor we will not sign a contract with them, doesn't matter what price they offer. Over time these demands are likely to climb as well to further separate out the companies that talk about it and the ones that keep living it. In the specific area I work in we also do a simplified LCA and present at the decision meeting. Still a big discussion on how to evaluate the few cases where environment and cost don't go hand in hand. Perhaps changing specifications is the solution, we are still new to it. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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Younger voters are overwhelmingly moving away from the neoliberal orthodoxy that dominated 2016. It's too bad the old people will have damned the species before they really have any control. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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On September 18 2019 11:37 GreenHorizons wrote: New California polling is disastrous for Kamala Harris, falling behind Yang in her home state. https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/1173991833287974913 Younger voters are overwhelmingly moving away from the neoliberal orthodoxy that dominated 2016. It's too bad the old people will have damned the species before they really have any control. Although I agree, I wonder if the young people of today won’t be the conservatives of tomorrow. By the time young people get in power, they might actually have become part of the problem rather than the solution. The generation that brought us neoliberalism was full of ideals, great ideas and generous postures in their 20’s. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On September 18 2019 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote: Although I agree, I wonder if the young people of today won’t be the conservatives of tomorrow. By the time young people get in power, they might actually have become part of the problem rather than the solution. The generation that brought us neoliberalism was full of ideals, great ideas and generous postures in their 20’s. It's interesting how you phrase this. I get where you are coming from with it, but there are openminded forward-thinking people that actually fall more under the conservative label than the liberal label. There's also plenty of people that consider themselves liberals who are actually more about restriction of rights than expansion of rights. But I guess this is the problem with trying to put everything under two labels. But I suppose I don't even know why I am saying that, there is nothing to be done about it and yes it's definitely true that conservatives and older people are both groups that tend to be much less progressive. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On September 18 2019 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote: Although I agree, I wonder if the young people of today won’t be the conservatives of tomorrow. By the time young people get in power, they might actually have become part of the problem rather than the solution. The generation that brought us neoliberalism was full of ideals, great ideas and generous postures in their 20’s. In the US it's quite clear they were targeted for political repression and blacklisted from many professional circles. The people in power aren't/weren't the people full of ideals, great ideas and postures, those people were killed, imprisoned, bought off, marginalized, etc... It was the young conservatives that strengthened their hold of the Democratic party after the civil rights movement was systematically stomped out (not to diminish their victories). The Clinton's first date was scabbing and Hillary worked for a segregationist after hearing MLK speak in person. They weren't the starry eyed idealists or civil rights activists of their generation by any stretch. Joe Biden is in the same boat, and Warren spent most of her life as a Republican. | ||
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https://www.npr.org/2019/09/18/761858659/democratic-fundraiser-ed-buck-is-arrested-after-a-third-man-ods-in-bucks-apartme Los Angeles County prosecutors say they have charged Democratic fundraiser and LGBTQ activist Ed Buck with running a drug house and other crimes after a man overdosed on methamphetamine at Buck's apartment last week. The man survived, but two other men have died from overdoses at Buck's apartment in the past two years. Buck was arrested Tuesday night — after months in which activists and relatives of the men who died have called for criminal charges related to the suspicious circumstances around the deaths of 26-year-old Gemmel Moore in 2017 and 55-year-old Timothy Michael Dean in January. Buck, who is 65, is now facing felony counts of battery causing serious injury, administering methamphetamine and maintaining a drug house. If convicted, he could face a maximum sentence of five years and eight months in state prison, said Greg Risling, the assistant chief of media relations for the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office. The most recent overdose took place on Sept. 11. Prosecutors say Buck injected the 37-year-old victim with methamphetamine at his apartment on Laurel Avenue in West Hollywood. The man suffered an overdose but survived. Advocates for Moore and Dean have long accused Buck of being a sexual predator who lured gay, at-risk black men to his home in West Hollywood. As member station KCRW reported this summer, Buck is alleged to have pressured men to do drugs, particularly crystal meth. When Moore died, police say they found drug paraphernalia littered around the scene in Buck's home, including syringes, pipes and plastic bags. The coroner blamed the death on an accidental overdose — but a homicide inquiry was launched after Moore's journal was published weeks later. In it, Moore blamed Buck for introducing him to methamphetamine. "I honestly don't know what to do. I've become addicted to drugs and the worst one at that," Moore wrote, according to his family's website. He added, "Ed Buck is the one to thank." Prosecutors opted not to file charges against Buck related to Moore's death. Earlier this year, Moore's mother, LaTisha Nixon, filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Buck and Los Angeles County officials. She says Dean's death could have been avoided if authorities had charged Buck in 2017. For more than two years, activists have said Buck wasn't charged with a crime because he is white, wealthy and politically connected. Now they're welcoming news that he's been arrested. "We're just completely ecstatic," writer and activist Jasmyne Cannick says via Twitter. "Black gay men's lives matter. The whole black LGBT community is going to be celebrating this evening because our lives matter." Cannick, who has pointedly accused prosecutors and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department of failing to stop a violent predator, says she has collected a trove of evidence against Buck, publishing interviews and other materials online. The next step, in her view, is for him to face additional charges related to the deaths of Moore and Dean. After Dean died earlier this year, Buck's attorney, Seymour Amster, insisted his client is innocent of any crimes. "This is not a situation where Mr. Buck has caused a death," Amster said. "This is a situation where Mr. Buck has had longtime friends who unfortunately do not handle their life well." Prosecutors are recommending that bail for Buck should be set at $4 million. "I remain deeply concerned for the safety of people whose life circumstances may make them more vulnerable to criminal predators," Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacey says, adding that new evidence from the recent overdose of the 37-year-old man at Buck's apartment had prompted her to approve filing charges against Buck. | ||
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Grumbels
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On September 18 2019 21:20 Biff The Understudy wrote: Although I agree, I wonder if the young people of today won’t be the conservatives of tomorrow. By the time young people get in power, they might actually have become part of the problem rather than the solution. The generation that brought us neoliberalism was full of ideals, great ideas and generous postures in their 20’s. Aren’t hippies key to some of the worst Silicon Valley excesses? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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On September 19 2019 01:33 Grumbels wrote: Aren’t hippies key to some of the worst Silicon Valley excesses? Yup. And a lot of the Woodstock generation ended up working in the media, in marketing, in the management of large corporations and creating the world we live in. In France it’s astonishing the amount of folks from the 1968 generation that were leaders of the protest that you find a decade later pushing the buttons and steering society towards neoliberalism. On September 18 2019 21:42 GreenHorizons wrote: In the US it's quite clear they were targeted for political repression and blacklisted from many professional circles. The people in power aren't/weren't the people full of ideals, great ideas and postures, those people were killed, imprisoned, bought off, marginalized, etc... It was the young conservatives that strengthened their hold of the Democratic party after the civil rights movement was systematically stomped out (not to diminish their victories). The Clinton's first date was scabbing and Hillary worked for a segregationist after hearing MLK speak in person. They weren't the starry eyed idealists or civil rights activists of their generation by any stretch. Joe Biden is in the same boat, and Warren spent most of her life as a Republican. GH, I thought for a second that we could talk about something else than how the Clinton are EVIIIIIL but broken record is apparently broken. We get it, you hate the democrats. You don’t need to convince us anymore. The way you steer every single bit of conversation to say that Hillary this and Hillary that is exhausting. I’m sorry, I don’t want to offend you, but can you stop? Please? | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On September 19 2019 01:40 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yup. And a lot of the Woodstock generation ended up working in the media, in marketing, in the management of large corporations and creating the world we live in. In France it’s astonishing the amount of folks from the 1968 generation that were leaders of the protest that you find a decade later pushing the buttons and steering society towards neoliberalism. GH, I thought for a second that we could talk about something else than how the Clinton are EVIIIIIL but broken record is apparently broken. We get it, you hate the democrats. You don’t need to convince us anymore. The way you steer every single bit of conversation to say that Hillary this and Hillary that is exhausting. I’m sorry, I don’t want to offend you, but can you stop? Please? lmao, not offended/hating just making a point. That was not a swipe at the Clinton's, but explaining your argument didn't apply to the politicians. As to the people who chose the comforts and securities of capitulation to neoliberal capitalist society that's a bit different. A lot of "non-conformists" do end up conforming because it becomes increasingly difficult with time to survive/thrive while not conforming. Either society comes towards you or pushes you further away. Aspects of identity and politics that can be absorbed into the greater neoliberal capitalist system expectedly are, while those that aren't, predictably aren't. It's a feedback loop where those that resist neoliberalism (particularly capitalism) fail to be rewarded by the neoliberal system and those that embrace it are held up as tokens and examples of it's legitimacy. Naturally they then have a self-vested interest in maintaining this system and arguing it's legitimacy. It's an extension of the meritocracy myth. Neoliberalism basically argues it's not capitalism and the illusion of profit that's the problem, it's that we've let it get out of control and folks like Warren are going to reign it in rather than succumb to the same type of acquiescence to the exploitation of neoliberal capitalism as the "hippies" and other former non-conformists. Which brings me back to the previous post, where Warren isn't the starry eyed idealist that's aged into a more moderate position. She spent mosst of her life as a Republican and at least to me looks to be exploiting her latent recognition of the horrors of the system she claims to now want to correct. Which is undermined by her inability to confront corrupt Dems and what seems to me to be increasing dishonesty. | ||
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farvacola
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On September 19 2019 02:10 KwarK wrote: Most people in the 60s weren’t hippies. It was a relatively small movement that captured the popular imagination. It’s not that aging hippies have become the man, it’s that aging hippies aren’t relevant. Yeah I remember reading an article, maybe out of the Atlantic, that detailed how hippies didn’t really take the reigns and that, instead, positions of power were assumed by the folks who watched the hippies from afar. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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But the hippie movement and the 68 movement, while sharing many ideals, were def made up of different archetypal figures. And there's no surprise that the dedicated idealistic student ends up with more influential power later in life than what the case is for the kind-hearted idealistic pot smoker+. | ||
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