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On August 13 2019 00:20 Ryzel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 00:12 Mohdoo wrote:On August 13 2019 00:04 Neneu wrote:On August 12 2019 22:38 Ryzel wrote:Personally, it doesn’t strike me as likely that Epstein would willingly end his life under any circumstance. What are the possible motivations... 1) Guilt. Yeah right. 2) Fear of being imprisoned for life. More likely then guilt but he’s been in a similar situation before. He probably thinks he has outs. 3) Attempting to save reputation of himself/others close to him. From what I’ve read he doesn’t have anyone close to him, and everyone already knows he’s a pedophile. 4) Prison conditions are so miserable he’d do anything to escape them. Can’t really comment on that, but I think if they were that bad we’d be seeing even more suicides than we already do. He doesn’t seem to fit the psychological profile of someone who’s high-risk for suicide. If anything, he’s likely diagnosable as having narcissistic personality disorder, which a recent study has shown to coincide with LESS suicide attempts compared to baseline population (source). To me, 100% chance of foul play. So someone who has previously attempted suicide in prison does not fit the psychological profile of someone who's high-risk for suicide? ..wait what?! Also on number 2, maybe he did not think he had an out anymore. Except, well you know.. Humans are complex and people tend to not always be rational, especially when massive changes are happening to their lives which are out of their own control. Do we know for sure he attempted suicide the first time? To me, it comes down to the question: Did Epstein believe he had a path to at least living a somewhat pleasant life? If he still had resources at his disposal, suicide makes zero sense. If he got hung out to dry, suicide makes sense. I still believe he had enough aces up his sleeve to at least end up in a luxury prison. Neither suicide attempt makes sense to me IMO. Agreed.
Why does suicide have to make rational sense to an outsider’s perspective to be plausible?
Notwithstanding, I hope, plus feel it’s politically pretty necessary for an investigation into the man and his affairs to continue posthumously
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On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are.
Accidentally quoted myself when I posted this the first time:
Donald Barr is AG William Barr's dad
Donald Barr was in the OSS, which was the precursor to the CIA
Donald Barr gave Epstein his first job as a math teacher in an elite, politically connected school, even though Epstein did not have any qualifications or even a college degree.
Donald Barr wrote a book called Space Relations, about a race of aliens that are so rich they become bored with everything and start a sex slavery ring and are also aroused by fear
^Stolen from Reddit
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On August 13 2019 01:38 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. Accidentally quoted myself when I posted this the first time: Donald Barr is AG William Barr's dad Donald Barr was in the OSS, which was the precursor to the CIA Donald Barr gave Epstein his first job as a math teacher in an elite, politically connected school, even though Epstein did not have any qualifications or even a college degree. Donald Barr wrote a book called Space Relations, about a race of aliens that are so rich they become bored with everything and start a sex slavery ring and are also aroused by fear ^Stolen from Reddit
I thought that was some of the usual made up political conspiracy bullshit you find on reddit. Was going to denounce you for acting like a Trump supporter posting unsubstantiated trash. And then I looked into it and found out it was true. WTF.
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On August 13 2019 02:16 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 01:38 Mohdoo wrote:On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. Accidentally quoted myself when I posted this the first time: Donald Barr is AG William Barr's dad Donald Barr was in the OSS, which was the precursor to the CIA Donald Barr gave Epstein his first job as a math teacher in an elite, politically connected school, even though Epstein did not have any qualifications or even a college degree. Donald Barr wrote a book called Space Relations, about a race of aliens that are so rich they become bored with everything and start a sex slavery ring and are also aroused by fear ^Stolen from Reddit I thought that was some of the usual made up political conspiracy bullshit you find on reddit. Was going to denounce you for acting like a Trump supporter posting unsubstantiated trash. And then I looked into it and found out it was true. WTF.
The book is clearly intended to be a somewhat retelling of what is actually happening. Just like how kids misbehave when they don't have anything to stimulate them or keep them busy, super billionaires who have essentially "beat the game" of Earth start finding ways to do something new and exciting. We know the pedo ring is multinational and that extremely powerful people are involved. I intend to read it.
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On August 13 2019 02:43 JimmiC wrote:
Would this mean his dad is against it and wants this come out? Or is justifying it? When you read it let us know the stories bent.
From what I have read from people who HAVE read it, the story basically revolves around 2 guys who are slave traders and conduct widespread social influence over governments and other big organizations. But it is fine because they are "incredibly just" people who DESERVE to be manipulating the world. They see themselves as kings who are the only ones capable/deserving of their authority. So they trade slaves and manipulate the masses because they deserve to. Its a bizarre way to show that "this might seem messed up, but if you can please listen to me, you'll see this is actually totally ethical".
It is everything you would expect these people to actually believe to justify their lack of humanity.
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On August 12 2019 23:21 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2019 22:38 Ryzel wrote:Personally, it doesn’t strike me as likely that Epstein would willingly end his life under any circumstance. What are the possible motivations... 1) Guilt. Yeah right. 2) Fear of being imprisoned for life. More likely then guilt but he’s been in a similar situation before. He probably thinks he has outs. 3) Attempting to save reputation of himself/others close to him. From what I’ve read he doesn’t have anyone close to him, and everyone already knows he’s a pedophile. 4) Prison conditions are so miserable he’d do anything to escape them. Can’t really comment on that, but I think if they were that bad we’d be seeing even more suicides than we already do. He doesn’t seem to fit the psychological profile of someone who’s high-risk for suicide. If anything, he’s likely diagnosable as having narcissistic personality disorder, which a recent study has shown to coincide with LESS suicide attempts compared to baseline population (source). To me, 100% chance of foul play. Agreed. Journalists should always be saying "supposed suicide", feels ridiculous otherwise
I mean... Suicide is a crime, of which, Epstein should be considered innocent until proven guilty. So if they are going to use "alleged" for mass shooters caught on the scene I think it's only ethical to say "alleged suicide".
No, the state is not a person and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt imo.
I'm not kidding myself into believing there's any hope for a thorough and complete investigation with accountability though.
So far they are blaming some overworked guards (being a guard at a prison is a deplorable job like ICE or Border Patrol) knowing damn well it's not their fault.
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On August 13 2019 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. So what became of those Panama papers?
The woman who leaked them was killed in a car bomb oddly enough.Don’t believe any charges were laid over the attack.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/16/malta-car-bomb-kills-panama-papers-journalist
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Northern Ireland25334 Posts
It seems odd in this day and age that genuine fearless investigative journalists can be silenced in such a manner.
If it were me I’d have all sorts of posthumous document dump mechanisms set up if shit hit the fan.
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Iceland took down their government with mass protests from the papers. But it’s much easier if your entire country can mass in a single place.
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On August 13 2019 06:20 KwarK wrote:
Iceland took down their government with mass protests from the papers. But it’s much easier if your entire country can mass in a single place.
It’s a lot easier if you have a relatively homogeneous (culturally not talking ethnically), small population country to do stuff like this.
My native corner of the globe fulfils the small part, but is incredibly fragmented on the national identity issue, to the degree we can’t have a functional government.
Somewhere like the US has so many additional points of fragmentation by virtue of its size, ethnic composition and history and divergent distribution of various industries and these can conflict in doing anything in a singular direction.
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On August 13 2019 06:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
It seems odd in this day and age that genuine fearless investigative journalists can be silenced in such a manner.
If it were me I’d have all sorts of posthumous document dump mechanisms set up if shit hit the fan. Sure, documents get dumped on some journalists, people act shocked, governments swear the investigate and 2 weeks later its forgotten and back to business as usual.
I'd love to be less pessimistic about this stuff but its happening right infront of us on a regular basis.
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On August 13 2019 06:40 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 06:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
It seems odd in this day and age that genuine fearless investigative journalists can be silenced in such a manner.
If it were me I’d have all sorts of posthumous document dump mechanisms set up if shit hit the fan. Sure, documents get dumped on some journalists, people act shocked, governments swear the investigate and 2 weeks later its forgotten and back to business as usual. I'd love to be less pessimistic about this stuff but its happening right infront of us on a regular basis.
Well I share your pessimism, apathy works far better than murdering x journalist or whatever.
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On August 13 2019 01:10 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. At this point I'm legitimately concerned that no matter what is found, it will be disappeared.
At this point I'm legitimately concerned that no matter what is found, people will not trust it.
On August 13 2019 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. So what became of those Panama papers? Because in a week the 24/7 news cycle will have moved on to something else and 'the public' will stop giving a shit and poof, its gone as if nothing happened.
A few examples of what became of the Panama papers:
- In Panama, police raided law firm Mossack Fonseca and arrested its founders on charges of money laundering.
- In New Zealand, an inquiry called the country's trust laws "inadequate" and parliament strengthened laws to fight tax evasion and money laundering. The number of foreign trusts in New Zealand fell by three-quarters.
- In Mongolia, MongolTV reported the resignation of capital city council chairman, Sandui Tsendsuren. He joined a list of political casualties from Iceland, Pakistan, Spain and beyond.
- In the U.K, a taskforce told parliament that it had investigated dozens of people for tax evasion, arrested four others and would recover $252 million in backtaxes and fines.
- In Belgium, police raided a state-run bank whose former subsididary helped clients set up more than 1,500 offshore companies.
- In Indonesia, the government decreed that all companies must reveal their true owners. The country was one of a number that introduced new rules to combat corruption and other illicit activities.
- In Côte d'Ivoire, the ruling cabinet sacked a city mayor for alleged embezzlement after new investigations by ICIJ's partners.
- A second later leak from Mossack Fonseca in June 2018 shed light on several unknown criminal investigations.
- In Algeria, prosecutors opened a money laundering probe into a milk mogul and sought Switzerland's help to obtain bank records.
- In Colombia, the tax office doubled its revenue collection after the Panama Papers encouraged citizens to report hidden assets.
- In Germany, 170 police raided the headquarters of Deutsche Bank as part of a money laundering investigation. The probe focused on whether the bank, Germany's biggest, helped clients set up offshore accounts to transfer money from criminal activities. It was one of the investigations that has crippled Deutsche Bank to become what it is today.
- In March 2019 authorities in the United States arrested the first known taxpayer for his involvement in an alleged "decades-long criminal scheme."
- Also March 2019: In South Korea, prosecutors opened a bribery case into contracts with a Turkish arms dealer. In Vancouver, the Canada Revenue Agency executed search warrants as part of a $77 million tax evasion probe. In Sweden, banking giant Swedbank’s top management reportedly withheld information from American investigators relating to the Panama Papers.
More than $1.2 billion has been recouped in 22 countries. Investigations were sparked in more than 82 countries. So things are being done. People are being criminally charged, corrupt banks are being crippled, and high-ranking politicians have lost their job. To quote Juliana Londoño Vélez from UC Berkeley who researches public finance and labor economics:
I think it is fair to infer that this shows leaks can have a massive impact on tax compliance, through deterrence and fear of being detected.
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On August 13 2019 16:20 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 01:10 Ayaz2810 wrote:On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. At this point I'm legitimately concerned that no matter what is found, it will be disappeared. At this point I'm legitimately concerned that no matter what is found, people will not trust it. Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. So what became of those Panama papers? Because in a week the 24/7 news cycle will have moved on to something else and 'the public' will stop giving a shit and poof, its gone as if nothing happened. A few examples of what became of the Panama papers: - In Panama, police raided law firm Mossack Fonseca and arrested its founders on charges of money laundering.
- In New Zealand, an inquiry called the country's trust laws "inadequate" and parliament strengthened laws to fight tax evasion and money laundering. The number of foreign trusts in New Zealand fell by three-quarters.
- In Mongolia, MongolTV reported the resignation of capital city council chairman, Sandui Tsendsuren. He joined a list of political casualties from Iceland, Pakistan, Spain and beyond.
- In the U.K, a taskforce told parliament that it had investigated dozens of people for tax evasion, arrested four others and would recover $252 million in backtaxes and fines.
- In Belgium, police raided a state-run bank whose former subsididary helped clients set up more than 1,500 offshore companies.
- In Indonesia, the government decreed that all companies must reveal their true owners. The country was one of a number that introduced new rules to combat corruption and other illicit activities.
- In Côte d'Ivoire, the ruling cabinet sacked a city mayor for alleged embezzlement after new investigations by ICIJ's partners.
- A second later leak from Mossack Fonseca in June 2018 shed light on several unknown criminal investigations.
- In Algeria, prosecutors opened a money laundering probe into a milk mogul and sought Switzerland's help to obtain bank records.
- In Colombia, the tax office doubled its revenue collection after the Panama Papers encouraged citizens to report hidden assets.
- In Germany, 170 police raided the headquarters of Deutsche Bank as part of a money laundering investigation. The probe focused on whether the bank, Germany's biggest, helped clients set up offshore accounts to transfer money from criminal activities. It was one of the investigations that has crippled Deutsche Bank to become what it is today.
- In March 2019 authorities in the United States arrested the first known taxpayer for his involvement in an alleged "decades-long criminal scheme."
- Also March 2019: In South Korea, prosecutors opened a bribery case into contracts with a Turkish arms dealer. In Vancouver, the Canada Revenue Agency executed search warrants as part of a $77 million tax evasion probe. In Sweden, banking giant Swedbank’s top management reportedly withheld information from American investigators relating to the Panama Papers.
More than $1.2 billion has been recouped in 22 countries. Investigations were sparked in more than 82 countries. So things are being done. People are being criminally charged, corrupt banks are being crippled, and high-ranking politicians have lost their job. To quote Juliana Londoño Vélez from UC Berkeley who researches public finance and labor economics: I think it is fair to infer that this shows leaks can have a massive impact on tax compliance, through deterrence and fear of being detected.
That's a rather unimpressive list imo, particularly with consideration to the scope of the leak. 1.2 billion is a rounding error on a settlement for a bank in the US (not that any of that list seems to pertain to the US?). Deutsche bank is basically a criminal enterprise that continues mostly unabated despite countless confirmations of their criminal activity.
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On August 13 2019 16:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 16:20 Neneu wrote:On August 13 2019 01:10 Ayaz2810 wrote:On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. At this point I'm legitimately concerned that no matter what is found, it will be disappeared. At this point I'm legitimately concerned that no matter what is found, people will not trust it. On August 13 2019 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. So what became of those Panama papers? Because in a week the 24/7 news cycle will have moved on to something else and 'the public' will stop giving a shit and poof, its gone as if nothing happened. A few examples of what became of the Panama papers: - In Panama, police raided law firm Mossack Fonseca and arrested its founders on charges of money laundering.
- In New Zealand, an inquiry called the country's trust laws "inadequate" and parliament strengthened laws to fight tax evasion and money laundering. The number of foreign trusts in New Zealand fell by three-quarters.
- In Mongolia, MongolTV reported the resignation of capital city council chairman, Sandui Tsendsuren. He joined a list of political casualties from Iceland, Pakistan, Spain and beyond.
- In the U.K, a taskforce told parliament that it had investigated dozens of people for tax evasion, arrested four others and would recover $252 million in backtaxes and fines.
- In Belgium, police raided a state-run bank whose former subsididary helped clients set up more than 1,500 offshore companies.
- In Indonesia, the government decreed that all companies must reveal their true owners. The country was one of a number that introduced new rules to combat corruption and other illicit activities.
- In Côte d'Ivoire, the ruling cabinet sacked a city mayor for alleged embezzlement after new investigations by ICIJ's partners.
- A second later leak from Mossack Fonseca in June 2018 shed light on several unknown criminal investigations.
- In Algeria, prosecutors opened a money laundering probe into a milk mogul and sought Switzerland's help to obtain bank records.
- In Colombia, the tax office doubled its revenue collection after the Panama Papers encouraged citizens to report hidden assets.
- In Germany, 170 police raided the headquarters of Deutsche Bank as part of a money laundering investigation. The probe focused on whether the bank, Germany's biggest, helped clients set up offshore accounts to transfer money from criminal activities. It was one of the investigations that has crippled Deutsche Bank to become what it is today.
- In March 2019 authorities in the United States arrested the first known taxpayer for his involvement in an alleged "decades-long criminal scheme."
- Also March 2019: In South Korea, prosecutors opened a bribery case into contracts with a Turkish arms dealer. In Vancouver, the Canada Revenue Agency executed search warrants as part of a $77 million tax evasion probe. In Sweden, banking giant Swedbank’s top management reportedly withheld information from American investigators relating to the Panama Papers.
More than $1.2 billion has been recouped in 22 countries. Investigations were sparked in more than 82 countries. So things are being done. People are being criminally charged, corrupt banks are being crippled, and high-ranking politicians have lost their job. To quote Juliana Londoño Vélez from UC Berkeley who researches public finance and labor economics: I think it is fair to infer that this shows leaks can have a massive impact on tax compliance, through deterrence and fear of being detected. That's a rather unimpressive list imo, particularly with consideration to the scope of the leak. 1.2 billion is a rounding error on a settlement for a bank in the US (not that any of that list seems to pertain to the US?). Deutsche bank is basically a criminal enterprise that continues mostly unabated despite countless confirmations of their criminal activity.
If that is an unimpressive list, I would like to know what your perception of an impressive list is. Since e.g. the doubling of tax revenue for Colombia is a rather big change for a country.
Deutsche Bank has been crippled to a such extent that they are a mere shadow of what they were in the mid 2000.
I know it takes some time before things happen, but a shit-ton of documents takes shit-ton of time to investigate (especially in criminal cases, which requires a higher standard of evidence than media requires).
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On August 13 2019 17:25 Neneu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2019 16:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 13 2019 16:20 Neneu wrote:On August 13 2019 01:10 Ayaz2810 wrote:On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. At this point I'm legitimately concerned that no matter what is found, it will be disappeared. At this point I'm legitimately concerned that no matter what is found, people will not trust it. On August 13 2019 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:On August 13 2019 01:03 JimmiC wrote:
I don't see how this would not get investigated to all hell. Not only are "both sides" suspicious, but so is everyone outside of those sides. I have already read how and why Trump did this, the Clinton's, the Deep state, a new Cabal, the Royals. If the FBI cares at all about its credibility (and it is questionable that they do) they are going to investigate the hell out of this. And investigate as much as they can about Epstien, how he got his money and who was around him, who made the trips and so on. If there is no jail time I hope at least history remembers these fucks as the slime-balls they are. So what became of those Panama papers? Because in a week the 24/7 news cycle will have moved on to something else and 'the public' will stop giving a shit and poof, its gone as if nothing happened. A few examples of what became of the Panama papers: - In Panama, police raided law firm Mossack Fonseca and arrested its founders on charges of money laundering.
- In New Zealand, an inquiry called the country's trust laws "inadequate" and parliament strengthened laws to fight tax evasion and money laundering. The number of foreign trusts in New Zealand fell by three-quarters.
- In Mongolia, MongolTV reported the resignation of capital city council chairman, Sandui Tsendsuren. He joined a list of political casualties from Iceland, Pakistan, Spain and beyond.
- In the U.K, a taskforce told parliament that it had investigated dozens of people for tax evasion, arrested four others and would recover $252 million in backtaxes and fines.
- In Belgium, police raided a state-run bank whose former subsididary helped clients set up more than 1,500 offshore companies.
- In Indonesia, the government decreed that all companies must reveal their true owners. The country was one of a number that introduced new rules to combat corruption and other illicit activities.
- In Côte d'Ivoire, the ruling cabinet sacked a city mayor for alleged embezzlement after new investigations by ICIJ's partners.
- A second later leak from Mossack Fonseca in June 2018 shed light on several unknown criminal investigations.
- In Algeria, prosecutors opened a money laundering probe into a milk mogul and sought Switzerland's help to obtain bank records.
- In Colombia, the tax office doubled its revenue collection after the Panama Papers encouraged citizens to report hidden assets.
- In Germany, 170 police raided the headquarters of Deutsche Bank as part of a money laundering investigation. The probe focused on whether the bank, Germany's biggest, helped clients set up offshore accounts to transfer money from criminal activities. It was one of the investigations that has crippled Deutsche Bank to become what it is today.
- In March 2019 authorities in the United States arrested the first known taxpayer for his involvement in an alleged "decades-long criminal scheme."
- Also March 2019: In South Korea, prosecutors opened a bribery case into contracts with a Turkish arms dealer. In Vancouver, the Canada Revenue Agency executed search warrants as part of a $77 million tax evasion probe. In Sweden, banking giant Swedbank’s top management reportedly withheld information from American investigators relating to the Panama Papers.
More than $1.2 billion has been recouped in 22 countries. Investigations were sparked in more than 82 countries. So things are being done. People are being criminally charged, corrupt banks are being crippled, and high-ranking politicians have lost their job. To quote Juliana Londoño Vélez from UC Berkeley who researches public finance and labor economics: I think it is fair to infer that this shows leaks can have a massive impact on tax compliance, through deterrence and fear of being detected. That's a rather unimpressive list imo, particularly with consideration to the scope of the leak. 1.2 billion is a rounding error on a settlement for a bank in the US (not that any of that list seems to pertain to the US?). Deutsche bank is basically a criminal enterprise that continues mostly unabated despite countless confirmations of their criminal activity. If that is an unimpressive list, I would like to know what your perception of an impressive list is. Since e.g. the doubling of tax revenue for Colombia is a rather big change for a country. Deutsche Bank has been crippled to a such extent that they are a mere shadow of what they were in the mid 2000. I know it takes some time before things happen, but a shit-ton of documents takes shit-ton of time to investigate (especially in criminal cases, which requires a higher standard of evidence than media requires).
superficially maybe, but they still wield over a trillion dollars in assets by themselves (dwarfing the 1.2b figure). Most of their "collapse" came long before the Panama papers as well.
Also while I'd concede that's significant for Columbia, what on your list (or a larger one) did it yield in the US?
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