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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Pangpootata
1838 Posts
Likeliest scenario is that the prison's suicide prevention is not very good and the dude found a way to kill himself. | ||
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Yurie
12186 Posts
On August 11 2019 08:59 JimmiC wrote: Well that is interesting, because if he wasn't going to spill anything then why would you kill him? This "they" (Trump, Clinton, Deep state, Whoever) is pretty dumb to open them self up like this if he wasn't going to spill anything. I prefer to think it like my Naivete on the whole US coup and invasion being a sure thing almost a year ago and still has not happened. Something being possible or even likely is not that same as it being true. And I'm sorry but when you believe things like 9/11 was a controlled explosion it is hard for me to trust your gut. Not having a target for a federal investigation makes it harder to perform. Him being dead means they close down the investigation into his crimes. A lot of interesting things would show up just from his trial. The follow up trials of other people are less likely to happen this way. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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KwarK
United States44450 Posts
On August 11 2019 12:22 JimmiC wrote: Then why did he get killed? Why is this group so powerful they can have the highest profile prisoner in jail killed but not powerful enough to know that he was going to be indited? The problem is when you come to a conclusion off the hop, all the evidence in the future is clouded by that conclusion. Confirmation bias. edit: also keep in mind I'm not arguing that it was suicide, I'm arguing that it is too early to know what it is. Presumably because they found the stuff and covered it up. There's no way that a professional blackmailer, which everyone agrees he was, doesn't have a dead man's switch. If he killed himself it'd be triggered. If he was killed then they'd only do so after getting what they needed. The logical conclusion is that he was killed because otherwise his "clients" would be public by now. | ||
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Muliphein
49 Posts
And the final outcome is; he didn't spill the beans. This is going to boost the right wing. There were so many conspiracies about the rich elite men using their power to get girls. Yes, an investigation. But no one benefits from an investigation. Look at the Mueller investigation. That also flopped. No one benefited from it coming out that Trump's campaign conspired with the Russians and then obstructed the investigation. | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1160297568837832704.html (In part) It was inevitable that he would be taken off suicide watch because one is more likely to want to commit suicide when on suicide watch, given how invasive it is. On the one hand, I think the easiest thing would be "here's a belt, you know what to do." But I have to think if the people at the ground level hate his guts, watching him burn to the ground slowly would be be more satisfying than letting him get out quick via death. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4463 Posts
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-49305967 | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8225 Posts
On August 11 2019 15:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: His death was a day after the release of more Epstein court documents again incriminating Prince Andrew. https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-49305967 I think we should really avoid speculating. If you really really want some Epstein trivia to feed conspiracy theories: 1) He told a journalist that for years he and Trump were "best friends" 2) He told a journalist he underwrote Trump's purchase of Mar-a-Lago 3) An associate told a journalist that Trump *went to Epstein's home* on 12/24/17 4) There are signs he managed cash for MBS Yet, it doesn’t mean Trump is guilty; we simply don’t know. I hope we get a proper enquiry on the circumstances of his death and of what he really had on whom. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24512 Posts
On August 11 2019 16:39 Biff The Understudy wrote: I think we should really avoid speculating. If you really really want some Epstein trivia to feed conspiracy theories: 1) He told a journalist that for years he and Trump were "best friends" 2) He told a journalist he underwrote Trump's purchase of Mar-a-Lago 3) An associate told a journalist that Trump *went to Epstein's home* on 12/24/17 4) There are signs he managed cash for MBS Yet, it doesn’t mean Trump is guilty; we simply don’t know. I hope we get a proper enquiry on the circumstances of his death and of what he really had on whom. Just wondering if that's what you felt you got out of Mueller-Trump? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8225 Posts
On August 11 2019 17:07 GreenHorizons wrote: Just wondering if that's what you felt you got out of Mueller-Trump? Yep, I feel I got just that. The report was fascinating, a shitload of people fell and anyone can read it. We know from it that Trump is a corrupt dirtbag, with no ethics whatsoever and compromised personally and politically. We also learnt that the craziest conspiracies theories were not true, which is good to know. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4463 Posts
On August 11 2019 16:39 Biff The Understudy wrote: I think we should really avoid speculating. If you really really want some Epstein trivia to feed conspiracy theories: 1) He told a journalist that for years he and Trump were "best friends" 2) He told a journalist he underwrote Trump's purchase of Mar-a-Lago 3) An associate told a journalist that Trump *went to Epstein's home* on 12/24/17 4) There are signs he managed cash for MBS Yet, it doesn’t mean Trump is guilty; we simply don’t know. I hope we get a proper enquiry on the circumstances of his death and of what he really had on whom. You said you want to avoid speculating then you spend the rest of the post speculating anyway? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24512 Posts
On August 11 2019 17:31 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yep, I feel I got just that. The report was fascinating, a shitload of people fell and anyone can read it. We know from it that Trump is a corrupt dirtbag, with no ethics whatsoever and compromised personally and politically. We also learnt that the craziest conspiracies theories were not true, which is good to know. Who "fell"? Did you think trump wasn't a corrupt dirtbag without ethics before Mueller? | ||
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Muliphein
49 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada420 Posts
Personally I never thought Epstein would make it to trial, but this is just insane, Id say you couldn't write this stuff, But its been written. The question is who's next that knows too much or does it die with Epstein. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
At least there's one less rich, sex-trafficing pedo in the world. On August 11 2019 18:51 Muliphein wrote: So Trump hasn't tweeted yet that he is happy that Epstein dead, but that of course he has nothing to do with it? He has retweeted conspiracy theories that the Clintons had it done though. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8225 Posts
On August 11 2019 17:48 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: You said you want to avoid speculating then you spend the rest of the post speculating anyway? No, I stated facts, just like you. Just to show you that insinuations can go both ways. The most likely is that Epstein just killed himself, that the prison wardens were incompetent, and that there is little to nothing damning from his sex crap for either Trump, Clinton nor anyone we know. Would be great to have an enquiry to make sure of all of that, though. What if you bothered to read before answering? On August 11 2019 19:13 Taelshin wrote: Its okay, Biff is struggling with TDS. For him we will say, It was the Russian's tied to trump who had Epstein killed... yes that'll do. Personally I never thought Epstein would make it to trial, but this is just insane, Id say you couldn't write this stuff, But its been written. The question is who's next that knows too much or does it die with Epstein. User was temp banned for this post. Bro, if you are gonna get banned, do it for the right reason. I am precisely saying that no matter what facts we have on whom, conspiracy theories are conspiracy theories. Trump could have spent every day of his life with Epstein it doesn’t make him guilty of anything. Love to see him retweeting conspiracy theories about Clinton, though, just to show that no matter what, he’ll remain a real asshole, for lack of a better word: | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
The story of Epstein’s first great escape is a tale of financial wizardry and brazen criminality, in which hundreds of thousands of Americans lost their retirement money, their life’s savings, on an investment intended to enrich only its creators. “That money would have been my real retirement,” said Veriena Braune, a 91-year-old retired teacher in Granbury, Tex., who invested all of her savings — $112,000 — in bonds that a young Epstein sold for his partner, Steven Hoffenberg. She lost every penny of the money. “Somebody should know: that Epstein did a number on a little teacher in Texas,” Braune said. Hoffenberg, who headed up the investment scheme and spent 18 years in prison because of it, said in an interview with The Washington Post this week that Epstein was “the architect of the scam.” Federal prosecutors agreed. Yet Epstein was never charged. His name, initially included in prosecutors’ descriptions of the scheme, quickly vanished from the record. www.washingtonpost.com | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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