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On July 18 2019 23:20 Jockmcplop wrote:
I remember Farage going on Fox News and telling them that Birmingham in the UK was a no-go zone and then he had to come back home and apologize because it was an obvious lie to appease teh US right wing. Same thing happened with the US ambassador to the Netherlands.
Funniest part was he claimed to have never said it only to be confronted by a clip of him saying it and then denying that he denied ever saying it, despite literally doing that just 20 seconds ago.
On July 18 2019 23:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
In reality the increase in hand grenade attacks is probably due to Putins continued war on Ukraine making heavy weapons more available on the european black market? I bet they get peddled by white power biker gangs too.
But never let a good opportunity to racist go by because where there is smoke, there is fire.
There is a lot of fire in eastern Ukraine btw
We had a bunch of grenades found in the Netherlands aswell. Turns out that its easier to buy a grenade then a gun.
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On July 19 2019 00:09 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 23:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
In reality the increase in hand grenade attacks is probably due to Putins continued war on Ukraine making heavy weapons more available on the european black market? I bet they get peddled by white power biker gangs too.
But never let a good opportunity to racist go by because where there is smoke, there is fire.
There is a lot of fire in eastern Ukraine btw
I read a report on the use of hand grenades in organized crime in the Netherlands, and it's all about the surplus from the Balkan wars being freely available on the black market. They are apparently easier to get and harder to trace than guns, so basically a perfect weapon for extorting "protection money". In the Netherlands, at least, this has nothing to do with recent immigration. It's drug related and/or other organized crime syndicates. Exactly this.
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On July 19 2019 00:01 oBlade wrote:
Again the grenades wouldn't have teleported themselves from Ukraine to the pocket of someone who woke up one day and thought "I really don't like that guy, it's grenade time." Who threw the grenade is obviously essential in knowing where the person that threw the grenade got the grenade, and going up the chain of supply.
Suppose they've come from the conflict in the Ukraine as you suggest. Surely we're not to suppose Swedish police should recommend to the foreign ministry to, say, intervene in the Ukraine in order to curb the supply and stop the grenade epidemic. What's the next step if we want to stop grenade attacks, and if your line of analysis isn't to be a dead end?
The force of my analogy was that automatic weapons, like grenades, are not legally available. This is in deference to your theory that apparently the illicit object itself is the root of what's going on. If I had explained this point with a different analogy, for example, if drunk driving deaths increased, asking whether you would recommend prohibition of alcohol, would have been a worse analogy because alcohol being legally available whereas grenades are illegal would give you an "out."
Criminals use weapons. Generally only the most heavy ones used to have access to stuff like grenades, and the most heavy ones are also usually smart and try to avoid violence because just being threatening instead of fighting is a more healthy and productive criminal lifestyle. So if suddenly everyone is throwing grenades at rivals that means that the shit criminals also have access to them, and those are the guys who just don't care about anything. People who think 'i hate that guy i'm going kill him' are the shit criminals. And if he wakes up thinking that while having access to a grenade he might well use that.
So my next step would be to make sure shit criminals who act on a whim have a harder time finding grenades to use. Because the shit criminals just use violence but don't have the connections to set up complicated illegal supply lines.
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On July 19 2019 00:05 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 15:29 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 18 2019 13:46 IgnE wrote:On July 18 2019 13:20 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 18 2019 11:35 IgnE wrote:On July 18 2019 09:42 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 18 2019 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:I'm reminded of this article on why white (and/or white adjacent) people think there is "anti-whiteness" everywhere they look. “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality can feel like oppression. But it’s not. What you’re feeling is just the discomfort of losing a little bit of your privilege — the same discomfort that an only child feels when she goes to preschool and discovers that there are other kids who want to play with the same toys as she does. All this anger we see from people screaming “All Lives Matter” in response to black protesters at rallies. All this anger we see from people insisting that their “religious freedom” is being infringed because a gay couple wants to get married . All these people angry about immigrants, angry about Muslims, angry about “Happy Holidays,” angry about not being able to say bigoted things without being called a bigot…+ Show Spoiler +They all basically boil down to people who have grown accustomed to walking straight at other folks, and expecting them to move. So when “those people” in their path don’t move — when those people start wondering, “Why am I always moving out of this guy’s way?”; when those people start asking themselves, “What if I didn’t move? What if I just kept walking too?”; when those people start believing that they have every bit as much right to that aisle as anyone else — it can seem like their rights are being taken away. They even see anti-white racism, divisive, fight-starting in capitalization while seeing white supremacist propaganda as conciliatory lol. You nailed it dude... I 1,000,000% agree with this.I as that as a milk-toast, Scotts-Irish, white ass American man. About 8 years ago I was confronted with the reality of my privilege and I did not want to accept it, but eventually did, and it opened my fucking eyes. “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality requires the privileged to relinquish some of their power, most are unwilling to do that. When I was a little kid growing up on the east coast in the semi-south I used to think my black friends would lie about all the horrible shit that happened to them, I thought, "why do they make this stuff up?" Turns out I just never had to deal with it, so it was invisible to me... that is privilege. What power have you relinquished in order to work towards equality? I would say the first step, and probably the most important is simply acknowledging that I have privilege, and giving up my ignorance about my privilege. The nature of privilege is ignorance, the privileged people don't have to consider the problems other people do. So in regard to racial privilege, in acknowledging it I would think there comes some degree of commitment in calling it out when I see rather than just letting it slide because, "I'm white and it doesn't affect me." If I'm playing a game a CSGO and I hear the N word (happens all the time), rather than just be ok with that, I can at the very least confront them on it, and report the account. There are many different versions of that... for example is I see a nazi symbol written on a wall, I can get a pen and mark over it. Donate to a charity organization that combats racial inequality, march for black lives matter. I haven't done these latter two things, but for a lot of my black friends growing up I apologized for not believe them when we were kids, and tell them I believe them now. Small steps, but if all privileged people did that, the world would change. I thought there was more to privilege than that. You don't sound like someone who's given much of any thought to the subject. What's the point of your post? Are you actually curious about my experience or just want something to rail against? The post GH made that I quoted, you sound exactly like the type of person that post describes. Equality feels like oppression for you, that true for you or you just never even gave it a thought? No, I'm actually just surprised at how little privilege you actually had to relinquish. It's almost like you didn't have much power in the first place. You really stretched there, too, with the suggestion to donate to BLM. Giving away money counts as giving away power I guess. But maybe the metaphorical language doesn't really work? Why do you think this idea that giving up privilege feels like oppression resonates with you so much when your examples of giving up privilege are so lame? I can think of something else that might better describe the experience of 1) conversion to a cause, 2) spreading the good news to blasphemers, and 3) tithing — but "relinquishing power" isn't it.
I think it's wrong to frame this from the position of relinquishing personal power to begin with. Most white privilege comes from systemic oppression, which is effected by people in positions of authority and power most of all. That has less to do with racism on the personal level, and the most important step is just getting someone to check their privilege in the first place. Get them to recognize all the areas in which they were possibly complicit, things they didn't notice that are problematic, and open them up to the ideas other than "I dunno what the fuss is about BLM". You're teaching them to fish for themselves, when before they took it for granted that fish would happen to them, and didn't understand why people had to be fisherman.
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The saddest thing about this immigration no go zone thing is that it was all discredited thoroughly a long time ago and the lies are still going around.
Next someone's going to turn up here and link us to the XY-Einzelfall Map lol
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On July 19 2019 00:23 Jockmcplop wrote:
The saddest thing about this immigration no go zone thing is that it was all discredited thoroughly a long time ago and the lies are still going around.
Next someone's going to turn up here and link us to the XY-Einzelfall Map lol
The guy they used to prove it literally goes to the no-go area. I wonder how you’d even falsify that argument given that going is insufficient to prove that people can’t go there. It’s like living in a place while you film your documentary about how it’s uninhabitable. What evidence would you need to convince the kind of person who accepts that at face value?
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On July 18 2019 23:51 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 23:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
In reality the increase in hand grenade attacks is probably due to Putins continued war on Ukraine making heavy weapons more available on the european black market? I bet they get peddled by white power biker gangs too.
But never let a good opportunity to racist go by because where there is smoke, there is fire.
There is a lot of fire in eastern Ukraine btw
Would you be willing to make a similar determination for the Paris attacks being due to the availability of automatic weapons on the black market because of eastern European geopolitics? Are market factors also responsible for knife crime in London? He flooded the black market with edged weapons? At some point there's a limit to how many problems the West has that can be scapegoated to Putin. How can supply be all that's going on? Who's throwing the grenades?
Oh jeez we are back to knife crime in London. Whatever next. London have traffic jams? Why is knife crime in London such an area of concern to you guys specifically? It's not like you live there.
Actually tell me oblade, what exactly is it about knife crime in a city of millions that you need to point out it exists. Is there something I am missing?
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On July 19 2019 00:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 00:01 oBlade wrote:
Again the grenades wouldn't have teleported themselves from Ukraine to the pocket of someone who woke up one day and thought "I really don't like that guy, it's grenade time." Who threw the grenade is obviously essential in knowing where the person that threw the grenade got the grenade, and going up the chain of supply.
Suppose they've come from the conflict in the Ukraine as you suggest. Surely we're not to suppose Swedish police should recommend to the foreign ministry to, say, intervene in the Ukraine in order to curb the supply and stop the grenade epidemic. What's the next step if we want to stop grenade attacks, and if your line of analysis isn't to be a dead end?
The force of my analogy was that automatic weapons, like grenades, are not legally available. This is in deference to your theory that apparently the illicit object itself is the root of what's going on. If I had explained this point with a different analogy, for example, if drunk driving deaths increased, asking whether you would recommend prohibition of alcohol, would have been a worse analogy because alcohol being legally available whereas grenades are illegal would give you an "out." Criminals use weapons. Generally only the most heavy ones used to have access to stuff like grenades, and the most heavy ones are also usually smart and try to avoid violence because just being threatening instead of fighting is a more healthy and productive criminal lifestyle. So if suddenly everyone is throwing grenades at rivals that means that the shit criminals also have access to them, and those are the guys who just don't care about anything. People who think 'i hate that guy i'm going kill him' are the shit criminals. And if he wakes up thinking that while having access to a grenade he might well use that. So my next step would be to make sure shit criminals who act on a whim have a harder time finding grenades to use. Because the shit criminals just use violence but don't have the connections to set up complicated illegal supply lines.
I think this is an outdated and frankly a bit naive view at heavy criminality. As we can see in recent cases from the Dutch criminal circuit, many of the "smart" criminals have been replaced by highly violent ones. From an underworld vs civil society perspective it makes sense to not use violence, but for many of these criminals the struggle to stay on top in their respective sectors is so great that they don't particularly care about how it looks for non-criminals.
Therefore I think it's not exactly correct to use this reasoning for the increased use of grenades in the last couple of years.
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On July 19 2019 00:30 Fildun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 00:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On July 19 2019 00:01 oBlade wrote:
Again the grenades wouldn't have teleported themselves from Ukraine to the pocket of someone who woke up one day and thought "I really don't like that guy, it's grenade time." Who threw the grenade is obviously essential in knowing where the person that threw the grenade got the grenade, and going up the chain of supply.
Suppose they've come from the conflict in the Ukraine as you suggest. Surely we're not to suppose Swedish police should recommend to the foreign ministry to, say, intervene in the Ukraine in order to curb the supply and stop the grenade epidemic. What's the next step if we want to stop grenade attacks, and if your line of analysis isn't to be a dead end?
The force of my analogy was that automatic weapons, like grenades, are not legally available. This is in deference to your theory that apparently the illicit object itself is the root of what's going on. If I had explained this point with a different analogy, for example, if drunk driving deaths increased, asking whether you would recommend prohibition of alcohol, would have been a worse analogy because alcohol being legally available whereas grenades are illegal would give you an "out." Criminals use weapons. Generally only the most heavy ones used to have access to stuff like grenades, and the most heavy ones are also usually smart and try to avoid violence because just being threatening instead of fighting is a more healthy and productive criminal lifestyle. So if suddenly everyone is throwing grenades at rivals that means that the shit criminals also have access to them, and those are the guys who just don't care about anything. People who think 'i hate that guy i'm going kill him' are the shit criminals. And if he wakes up thinking that while having access to a grenade he might well use that. So my next step would be to make sure shit criminals who act on a whim have a harder time finding grenades to use. Because the shit criminals just use violence but don't have the connections to set up complicated illegal supply lines. I think this is an outdated and frankly a bit naive view at heavy criminality. As we can see in recent cases from the Dutch criminal circuit, many of the "smart" criminals have been replaced by highly violent ones. From an underworld vs civil society perspective it makes sense to not use violence, but for many of these criminals the struggle to stay on top in their respective sectors is so great that they don't particularly care about how it looks for non-criminals. Therefore I think it's not exactly correct to use this reasoning for the increased use of grenades in the last couple of years.
The 'smart' part is not only about how it looks in society, it refers to not having the other guy throwing grenades back at you.
Anyway it's besides my point that a grenade attack epidemic has to do with grenades and not immigrants. So if they come from old Balkan stock, find out why just now there is a rise in availability of old Balkan stock.
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On July 18 2019 22:30 Destructicon wrote:This is a copy paste from the no go zone wiki in spoilers to not become a wall of text: + Show Spoiler +Some urban areas in Sweden have been called no-go zones. The Swedish government states that "no-go zones", where "criminality and gangs have taken over and where the emergency services do not dare to go" do not exist. They acknowledge that there are areas "increasingly marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity".[69][70][71]
A 2016 report from the Swedish Police mapped 53 "exposed" areas (Utsatta områden) and 15 "particularly exposed" areas. An "exposed area" was defined as an area with low socioeconomic status and high crime. A "particularly exposed" area was defined as an area nearby to an "exposed area" the inhabitants of which demonstrated the following qualities:
Unwillingness to participate in legal proceedings
Hindrance of Swedish police operations
Parallel social structure
Violent extremism
Swedish police protocol differs for working in these areas. For example, the police bring certain equipment and work in pairs when in a "particularly exposed area".[72]
In a 2017 interview with the conservative opinion magazine Weekly Standard's Paulina Neuding [sv], Gordon Grattidge, the head of the Swedish ambulance drivers' union, stated that there were some areas too dangerous for rescue workers to enter without police protection, using the English term "no-go zones" to describe them.[73][74][75]
In March 2015, journalist Henrik Höjer discussed the rise of criminality, especially organized crime, in various neighborhoods within Sweden since the mid-1990s, especially in the city of Malmö. He interviewed a police officer and task force chief who referred to such areas as "no go areas" and wrote that gangs like to lay claim to an area by throwing stones at mailmen, police, firefighters and ambulances who enter the area.[76]
In February 2016, a news crew for Australia's 60 Minutes working with anti-immigration activist Jan Sjunnesson[77][78] reported having come under attack, including allegedly having stones thrown on them and a car running over the foot of a cameraman who was trying to prevent it from leaving in the immigrant-dominated district of Rinkeby of Stockholm.[79] 60 Minutes published the video, on which reporter Liz Hayes says "there are now 55 declared no-go zones in Sweden." I did bold one part though about ambulance workers being afraid to go into some of the problem areas without police protection. Now here is a copy from Tim's wiki. "However, Pool alleged that he had to be escorted by police out of Rinkeby, a Stockholm suburb, due to purported threats to his safety." So, the problem areas do exist. What I argued next was the magnitude to which they are a problem. The mainstream media is trying to make it seem like its not a huge deal however you keep seeing news to the contrary. If you think my sources are too right wing how about these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swedenhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Swedenhttps://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641223/Swedish-police-being-ATTACKED-as-they-struggle-in-NO-GO-ZONES-as-migrant-crime-rocketshttps://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/world/europe/sweden-crime-immigration-hand-grenades.htmlhttps://europediplomatic.com/2019/03/01/business-refuses-operations-in-sweden-no-go-zones/https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-bombings-grenade-attacks-violent-reality-undoing-peaceful-self-image-law-and-order/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/14/swedish-pm-asks-arsonists-what-the-heck-are-you-doing-setting-fire-to-carshttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44399293Politico, The Guardian are left leaning sites btw and the BBC is centrist and even they covered some news pieces about crime in the problem areas and attribute them to a large number of migrants. A few of them cite an increase in crime in the last few years and on the wiki page for the grenade attacks you can see that the number of grenade attacks increased in the last few years, the period of time when Europe took on more migrants. Where there is smoke there is fire. Simply labeling a point of view you disagree with as right wing, and trying to demonize right wingers for speaking up is not going to make the situation better, it just makes it worse. I'm not ashamed in any way shape or form of what I've said, I've done the research, looked for the stories and watched/listened to videos. It's hard to beleive your claim to establish yourself as doing research when you selectively ignore everything else in both wiki pages and bold the bit that supports you. And that you post RT videos. It's as if you are desperate to push the narrative you are propugating than a more reasoned all sources approach. Shock! What, are we supposed to not read the stuff before and after it that doesn't support your narrative? Like...Now here is the whole copy from Tim's wiki... but without the bit you selectively quoted:
"In February 2017, Pool travelled to Sweden to investigate right-wing contentions of "no-go zones" and problems with refugees in the country. He launched a crowdfunding effort to do so after President Trump alluded to crimes relates to immigration in Sweden. Infowars writer Paul Joseph Watson, offered to pay for travel costs and accommodation for any reporter "to stay in crime-ridden migrant suburbs of Malmö."[28][29] Watson gave Pool $2,000 to go to Sweden, while Pool crowdfunded the rest. While in Sweden, Pool largely disputed that migrant suburbs of Malmö and Stockholm were crime-ridden, noting that Chicago has vastly more violence... ...Swedish police have disputed Pool's report that police escorted him out, stating "Our understanding is that he didn't receive an escort. However, he followed the police who left the place."[31] The police stated that "When Tim Pool took out a camera and started filming a group of young people they pulled their hoods up and covered their faces and shouted at him to stop filming. The officers then told Tim Pool that it was not wise to stay there in the middle of the square and keep filming."
Hmmm, its as if it is totally the opposite of what you have selectively chosen.
Also at no point did I label you as right wing, or trying to demonize right wingers for speaking up. Why pretend I did?
It's that out of a phrasebook or something? I keep seeing that crop up a lot recently. It's actually kind of spooky.
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On July 19 2019 00:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 00:30 Fildun wrote:On July 19 2019 00:14 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On July 19 2019 00:01 oBlade wrote:
Again the grenades wouldn't have teleported themselves from Ukraine to the pocket of someone who woke up one day and thought "I really don't like that guy, it's grenade time." Who threw the grenade is obviously essential in knowing where the person that threw the grenade got the grenade, and going up the chain of supply.
Suppose they've come from the conflict in the Ukraine as you suggest. Surely we're not to suppose Swedish police should recommend to the foreign ministry to, say, intervene in the Ukraine in order to curb the supply and stop the grenade epidemic. What's the next step if we want to stop grenade attacks, and if your line of analysis isn't to be a dead end?
The force of my analogy was that automatic weapons, like grenades, are not legally available. This is in deference to your theory that apparently the illicit object itself is the root of what's going on. If I had explained this point with a different analogy, for example, if drunk driving deaths increased, asking whether you would recommend prohibition of alcohol, would have been a worse analogy because alcohol being legally available whereas grenades are illegal would give you an "out." Criminals use weapons. Generally only the most heavy ones used to have access to stuff like grenades, and the most heavy ones are also usually smart and try to avoid violence because just being threatening instead of fighting is a more healthy and productive criminal lifestyle. So if suddenly everyone is throwing grenades at rivals that means that the shit criminals also have access to them, and those are the guys who just don't care about anything. People who think 'i hate that guy i'm going kill him' are the shit criminals. And if he wakes up thinking that while having access to a grenade he might well use that. So my next step would be to make sure shit criminals who act on a whim have a harder time finding grenades to use. Because the shit criminals just use violence but don't have the connections to set up complicated illegal supply lines. I think this is an outdated and frankly a bit naive view at heavy criminality. As we can see in recent cases from the Dutch criminal circuit, many of the "smart" criminals have been replaced by highly violent ones. From an underworld vs civil society perspective it makes sense to not use violence, but for many of these criminals the struggle to stay on top in their respective sectors is so great that they don't particularly care about how it looks for non-criminals. Therefore I think it's not exactly correct to use this reasoning for the increased use of grenades in the last couple of years. The 'smart' part is not only about how it looks in society, it refers to not having the other guy throwing grenades back at you. Anyway it's besides my point that a grenade attack epidemic has to do with grenades and not immigrants. So if they come from old Balkan stock, find out why just now there is a rise in availability of old Balkan stock.
Sure, but the tactic of "they can't throw grenades if they're dead" seems to be rising in popularity as well.
Personally I think the reason for the increased amounts of grenades have much more to do with the increased cashflow from the booming drugs businesses increasing the purchasing power of all ranks of criminals. I would be very surprised if all these grenades from the Balkan area only turned up on the black market in the last couple of years.
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On July 18 2019 16:48 schaf wrote:
Lock her up was nasty. Send her back is straight up evil. Way to go, Donnie...
There's nothing evil about it at all. In fact, on substance, it's quite principled. Let's just set aside the very real possibility that Omar is guilty of immigration fraud and focus on her merits as an immigrant. She clearly is someone who doesn't like the country as it is and wants to reform it quite radically. How is it in the interest of Americans to bring someone like that into the fold? Stated another way, how sane is it for America to import anti-Americans? It's not. The onus is on immigrants to comport to American values, not for Americans to adopt and accept foreign values.
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She is an American and you and your folks’ tactic to deAmericanize her is a tactic as old as this country. You’d be marching in the street for Prohibition right alongside the KKK, you’re in great company.
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On July 19 2019 00:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 23:51 oBlade wrote:On July 18 2019 23:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
In reality the increase in hand grenade attacks is probably due to Putins continued war on Ukraine making heavy weapons more available on the european black market? I bet they get peddled by white power biker gangs too.
But never let a good opportunity to racist go by because where there is smoke, there is fire.
There is a lot of fire in eastern Ukraine btw
Would you be willing to make a similar determination for the Paris attacks being due to the availability of automatic weapons on the black market because of eastern European geopolitics? Are market factors also responsible for knife crime in London? He flooded the black market with edged weapons? At some point there's a limit to how many problems the West has that can be scapegoated to Putin. How can supply be all that's going on? Who's throwing the grenades? Oh jeez we are back to knife crime in London. Whatever next. London have traffic jams? Why is knife crime in London such an area of concern to you guys specifically? It's not like you live there. Actually tell me oblade, what exactly is it about knife crime in a city of millions that you need to point out it exists. Is there something I am missing?
Because if you were following the specific thread of discussion instead of blithely going, oh it's the people getting stabbed topic again, the point is that blaming inanimate objects for the problems of society while it sounds convenient if it's something that's illicit and rare, is difficult when it's something as ubiquitous as knives. (So I find that reasoning dubious.) And the reason knife crime in London is interesting in particular is because it's getting worse, and the answer to why we care about that is so self-evident and almost intrinsic to humanity that I'm embarrassed to have to point it out: being part of human society, most of us don't want it to get worse (in fact usually our goal is the exact opposite), and as a citizen of the world I want to know what's going on, because I don't want my communities to have unnecessary crises or problems exacerbated or getting worse, you know? Want to avoid similar problems. And I want things to get better for London, which is one of the great capitals of the world, of which I am an aforementioned citizen.
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On July 19 2019 01:11 farvacola wrote:
She is an American and you and your folks’ tactic to deAmericanize her is a tactic as old as this country. You’d be marching in the street for Prohibition right alongside the KKK, you’re in great company.
I'm not so sure that she's going to be an American for long. And beyond that, I have zero patience for incorporating people into the American tent who hate the tent. The same goes for the other politicians who hate America, like AOC. These are people who need to be ridiculed, humiliated, and marginalized.
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On July 19 2019 01:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 16:48 schaf wrote:
Lock her up was nasty. Send her back is straight up evil. Way to go, Donnie... There's nothing evil about it at all. In fact, on substance, it's quite principled. Let's just set aside the very real possibility that Omar is guilty of immigration fraud and focus on her merits as an immigrant. She clearly is someone who doesn't like the country as it is and wants to reform it quite radically. How is it in the interest of Americans to bring someone like that into the fold? Stated another way, how sane is it for America to import anti-Americans? It's not. The onus is on immigrants to comport to American values, not for Americans to adopt and accept foreign values.
At least half the country "doesn't like the country as it is", and she has the same freedoms of speech and expression as everyone else. The fact that Trump is so thin-skinned that he can't take legitimate criticism is his problem, not the problem of the millions of people who speak out against Trump. Suppressing dissenting viewpoints by wanting opposing parties silenced, jailed, or removed from the country is fascism. This isn't the first time that Trump has rallied a fascist cry, but it's nice to know that his fascism comes in multiple flavors, from political to sexist to racist.
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On July 19 2019 01:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 16:48 schaf wrote:
Lock her up was nasty. Send her back is straight up evil. Way to go, Donnie... There's nothing evil about it at all. In fact, on substance, it's quite principled. Let's just set aside the very real possibility that Omar is guilty of immigration fraud and focus on her merits as an immigrant. She clearly is someone who doesn't like the country as it is and wants to reform it quite radically. How is it in the interest of Americans to bring someone like that into the fold? Stated another way, how sane is it for America to import anti-Americans? It's not. The onus is on immigrants to comport to American values, not for Americans to adopt and accept foreign values.
She won an American election. Americans voted for her to represent their American interests.
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On July 19 2019 01:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 01:11 farvacola wrote:
She is an American and you and your folks’ tactic to deAmericanize her is a tactic as old as this country. You’d be marching in the street for Prohibition right alongside the KKK, you’re in great company. I'm not so sure that she's going to be an American for long. And beyond that, I have zero patience for incorporating people into the American tent who hate the tent. The same goes for the other politicians who hate America, like AOC. These are people who need to be ridiculed, humiliated, and marginalized.
I don't understand what this means. How are you defining America? Because if you're talking about the fundamental principles and freedoms and intent that our founding fathers promoted, then AOC loves America and Trump is pretty much the #1 hater of American values, starting with the 1st Amendment and ending with the Statue of Liberty's poem.
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On July 19 2019 01:11 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 00:27 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On July 18 2019 23:51 oBlade wrote:On July 18 2019 23:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
In reality the increase in hand grenade attacks is probably due to Putins continued war on Ukraine making heavy weapons more available on the european black market? I bet they get peddled by white power biker gangs too.
But never let a good opportunity to racist go by because where there is smoke, there is fire.
There is a lot of fire in eastern Ukraine btw
Would you be willing to make a similar determination for the Paris attacks being due to the availability of automatic weapons on the black market because of eastern European geopolitics? Are market factors also responsible for knife crime in London? He flooded the black market with edged weapons? At some point there's a limit to how many problems the West has that can be scapegoated to Putin. How can supply be all that's going on? Who's throwing the grenades? Oh jeez we are back to knife crime in London. Whatever next. London have traffic jams? Why is knife crime in London such an area of concern to you guys specifically? It's not like you live there. Actually tell me oblade, what exactly is it about knife crime in a city of millions that you need to point out it exists. Is there something I am missing? Because if you were following the specific thread of discussion instead of blithely going, oh it's the people getting stabbed topic again, the point is that blaming inanimate objects for the problems of society while it sounds convenient if it's something that's illicit and rare, is difficult when it's something as ubiquitous as knives. (So I find that reasoning dubious.) And the reason knife crime in London is interesting in particular is because it's getting worse, and the answer to why we care about that is so self-evident and almost intrinsic to humanity that I'm embarrassed to have to point it out: being part of human society, most of us don't want it to get worse (in fact usually our goal is the exact opposite), and as a citizen of the world I want to know what's going on, because I don't want my communities to have unnecessary crises or problems exacerbated or getting worse, you know? Want to avoid similar problems. And I want things to get better for London, which is one of the great capitals of the world, of which I am an aforementioned citizen. I live in London. It's not some mythical place in the mythology of the world. It baffles me why you actually care to point out that knife crime in London exists. No one is blaming knives for the problems of society, except...you. What does it have to do with anything in particular?
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On July 19 2019 01:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 01:11 farvacola wrote:
She is an American and you and your folks’ tactic to deAmericanize her is a tactic as old as this country. You’d be marching in the street for Prohibition right alongside the KKK, you’re in great company. I'm not so sure that she's going to be an American for long. And beyond that, I have zero patience for incorporating people into the American tent who hate the tent. The same goes for the other politicians who hate America, like AOC. These are people who need to be ridiculed, humiliated, and marginalized.
who decided AOC hates america? and from this authority you feel empowered to claim she should be humiliated? if anything deserves ridicule it is this post. how disturbed.
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On July 19 2019 01:17 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 01:09 xDaunt wrote:On July 18 2019 16:48 schaf wrote:
Lock her up was nasty. Send her back is straight up evil. Way to go, Donnie... There's nothing evil about it at all. In fact, on substance, it's quite principled. Let's just set aside the very real possibility that Omar is guilty of immigration fraud and focus on her merits as an immigrant. She clearly is someone who doesn't like the country as it is and wants to reform it quite radically. How is it in the interest of Americans to bring someone like that into the fold? Stated another way, how sane is it for America to import anti-Americans? It's not. The onus is on immigrants to comport to American values, not for Americans to adopt and accept foreign values. She won an American election. Americans voted for her to represent their American interests.
So? How much did they know then about Omar and her beliefs? How much do they know now?
And beyond that, how do they view issues of immigration, multiculturalism, and competing values? There's a large chunk of Americans (if not a majority) who believe the naive, idealistic "everyone can get along" nonsense that is peddled to us from the time that we are children in school. Simply put, these people don't know better, and they need to be educated. This process starts by highlighting the consequences of such ludicrous beliefs, such as the election of an anti-American immigrant to congress. Which brings us back to the true genius and importance of Trump. He understands these issues and is actively moving the conversation to precisely the place where it needs to be for Americans to regain their sense of pride, dignity, and conviction.
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