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This is the result of Trumps tweet and his campaign rally yesterday. But what we do, at least in this forum? To ignore them would also give his message more credibility I think.
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The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505
President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant.
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On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505Show nested quote +President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant.
He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire.
That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of.
I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option.
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On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option.
Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate.
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On July 19 2019 01:09 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2019 16:48 schaf wrote:
Lock her up was nasty. Send her back is straight up evil. Way to go, Donnie... There's nothing evil about it at all. In fact, on substance, it's quite principled. Let's just set aside the very real possibility that Omar is guilty of immigration fraud and focus on her merits as an immigrant. She clearly is someone who doesn't like the country as it is and wants to reform it quite radically. How is it in the interest of Americans to bring someone like that into the fold? Stated another way, how sane is it for America to import anti-Americans? It's not. The onus is on immigrants to comport to American values, not for Americans to adopt and accept foreign values.
Let's take it lightly. If she cheated on her way to citizenship she'll get found out and be deported. Otherwise she'll stay and will be free to believe whatever she wants. She is not forced to love America. Nigel Farage hates the EU by heart and is still a sitting MEP. But he can't get anything done because nobody will work with him, people like that who are against everything about the country or institution marginalize themselves.
Be patient and wait. If you're assumptions are right she will go one or the other way. But maybe she still has a burning patriotism and just wants America to become (what she perceives as) even better.
Also this:
On July 19 2019 02:59 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 19 2019 02:42 Stratos_speAr wrote:
We shouldn't even be engaging xDaunt's posts at this point. They are blatantly racist and ripped straight out of the "fascism 101" textbook. Engaging them just gives them credibility. As KwarK likes to say, these ideas should be ridiculed and mocked, not entertained like they have any legitimacy. xDaunt has demonstrated how terrible of a person he is and tolerating his comments on this site just make the community worse.
There's been a lot of leeway for very passionate and heated disagreements in this thread, but this shit's just gone too far. Yeah, I just don't understand the double standard of wanting to remove Democrats or immigrants or racial minorities from the United States when they don't like the current state of our country, but supporting Trump when his literal campaign slogan- Make America Great Again- was all about changing the current state of our country. Apparently, Trump's citizenship should have been revoked for his slogan, instead of him being elected president. Please don't, because apparently if you make him go back to somewhere, that would need to be Germany. After all, according to Trump himself, his father was from Germany. And we REALLY don't want him here.
:-D
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On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate.
You have such an interesting way of twisting reality to fit your beliefs.
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On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505Show nested quote +President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant.
The question is if he’ll vocally oppose it at the next rally if it happens, as he ought too. That’s for the chant. The follow up tweets to his original xenophobic one were the right note he should strike, staying away from “go back” bullshit.
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On July 19 2019 03:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You have such an interesting way of twisting reality to fit your beliefs.
I'm not twisting reality at all. I'm just recognizing things that most of you don't, because I think critically.
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On July 19 2019 03:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:21 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You have such an interesting way of twisting reality to fit your beliefs. I'm not twisting reality at all. I'm just recognizing things that most of you don't, because I think critically.
What are these things you recognize that we don't?
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On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate.
You know that's worse right?
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On July 19 2019 01:16 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 01:11 farvacola wrote:
She is an American and you and your folks’ tactic to deAmericanize her is a tactic as old as this country. You’d be marching in the street for Prohibition right alongside the KKK, you’re in great company. I'm not so sure that she's going to be an American for long. And beyond that, I have zero patience for incorporating people into the American tent who hate the tent. The same goes for the other politicians who hate America, like AOC. These are people who need to be ridiculed, humiliated, and marginalized.
Thing is, the US moved to a better tent a while ago and you guys are stuck in the old one and try to keep everyone from moving on to better times so you don't have to get off yer comfy chairs you build upon the graves of the oppressed
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On July 19 2019 03:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:21 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You have such an interesting way of twisting reality to fit your beliefs. I'm not twisting reality at all. I'm just recognizing things that most of you don't, because I think critically.
There's many different ways you can interpret his actions. I wouldn't say that choosing the most generous one 100% of the time is thinking critically haha.
An interesting interpretation is that he's attempting ninja outright racism into mainstream public debates, which he will benefit from by gaining even more credit with the likes of neo nazis, the alt-right and those kinds of people, and then disavowing it to distance himself from the consequences of his words.
The more 'send them home' becomes an acceptable part of the debate, the more power the nutcase element of the right will have.
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On July 19 2019 03:25 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. The question is if he’ll vocally oppose it at the next rally if it happens, as he ought too. That’s for the chant. The follow up tweets to his original xenophobic one were the right note he should strike, staying away from “go back” bullshit.
You're in line for a whole lot of disappointment if you're sincere and not just saying that to say it.
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On July 19 2019 03:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You know that's worse right?
In which respect? Politics is a nasty, complicated game.
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On July 19 2019 03:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:21 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You have such an interesting way of twisting reality to fit your beliefs. I'm not twisting reality at all. I'm just recognizing things that most of you don't, because I think critically.
This is strictly untrue. There have been numerous challenges along your chain of thought that have been conveniently ignored. You are the -least- accountable poster in this thread, and while people may disagree with GH or Danglars or anyone else at specific points, they are capable as people of rationally defending their stances. You have descended into full-on blind worship of a path that follows your ideals.
Your supposed strength is your lack of critical thinking, not your engagement in it.
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On July 19 2019 03:34 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You know that's worse right? In which respect? Politics is a nasty, complicated game.
Deliberately inciting xenophobia and a (completely hypocritical) message of if you don't like getting screwed over by the US, leave (as if that prevents the US from screwing with you lol).
If he's just an idiotic liar that's not as bad, if he's actually aware, like you are, it's exponentially more despicable.
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On July 19 2019 03:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You have such an interesting way of twisting reality to fit your beliefs.
Lying is such a crude way of describing the act of intentionally stating falsehoods as facts. Perhaps xDaunt would prefer process lies, similar to process crime meaning not crime in his new lexicon. Or the classic alternative facts.
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On July 19 2019 03:25 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. The question is if he’ll vocally oppose it at the next rally if it happens, as he ought too. That’s for the chant. The follow up tweets to his original xenophobic one were the right note he should strike, staying away from “go back” bullshit.
So that's a line too far for you to support him, the point at which he encourages chants of "go back home"?
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The problem is once you are on the 'all things Trump does may look awful, haphazard and impulsive but they are actually a perfectly calculated strategem' train you can't really jump off without hurting yourself badly. And xdaunts train is going real fast by now
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On July 19 2019 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:25 Danglars wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. The question is if he’ll vocally oppose it at the next rally if it happens, as he ought too. That’s for the chant. The follow up tweets to his original xenophobic one were the right note he should strike, staying away from “go back” bullshit. You're in line for a whole lot of disappointment if you're sincere and not just saying that to say it.
We shall see.
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