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On July 19 2019 03:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The problem is once you are on the 'all things Trump does may look awful, haphazard and impulsive but they are actually a perfectly calculated strategem' train you can't really jump off without hurting yourself badly. And xdaunts train is going real fast by now
In fairness this happened to Democrats to where Obama's bombing of ~7 countries wasn't xenophobic warmongering, he's not even politically viable anymore and Democrats still make excuses for him (because they are going to keep bombing the countries).
On July 19 2019 03:43 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:25 Danglars wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. The question is if he’ll vocally oppose it at the next rally if it happens, as he ought too. That’s for the chant. The follow up tweets to his original xenophobic one were the right note he should strike, staying away from “go back” bullshit. You're in line for a whole lot of disappointment if you're sincere and not just saying that to say it. We shall see.
Here's to integrity when we do 
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On July 19 2019 03:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The problem is once you are on the 'all things Trump does may look awful, haphazard and impulsive but they are actually a perfectly calculated strategem' train you can't really jump off without hurting yourself badly. And xdaunts train is going real fast by now
xDaunt doesn't think those tweets make Trump look awful
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On July 19 2019 03:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The problem is once you are on the 'all things Trump does may look awful, haphazard and impulsive but they are actually a perfectly calculated strategem' train you can't really jump off without hurting yourself badly. And xdaunts train is going real fast by now xDaunt doesn't think those tweets make Trump look awful
There’s absolutely no point waiting for xDaunt to disapprove of something he approves of. There’s no great mystery as to why xDaunt never condemns Trump’s racism.
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On July 19 2019 03:41 ShambhalaWar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:25 Danglars wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. The question is if he’ll vocally oppose it at the next rally if it happens, as he ought too. That’s for the chant. The follow up tweets to his original xenophobic one were the right note he should strike, staying away from “go back” bullshit. So that's a line too far for you to support him, the point at which he encourages chants of "go back home"?
The quotation marks here are very undeserved.if you’re so careless here, as others have been on past Trump remarks, no wonder you have such trouble accepting this comment from me. Maybe you haven’t read the last five or six things I’ve said, and I ought to give you time to ignore me more completely.
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On July 19 2019 03:34 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:26 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:21 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You have such an interesting way of twisting reality to fit your beliefs. I'm not twisting reality at all. I'm just recognizing things that most of you don't, because I think critically. This is strictly untrue. There have been numerous challenges along your chain of thought that have been conveniently ignored. You are the -least- accountable poster in this thread, and while people may disagree with GH or Danglars or anyone else at specific points, they are capable as people of rationally defending their stances. You have descended into full-on blind worship of a path that follows your ideals. Your supposed strength is your lack of critical thinking, not your engagement in it.
Let me pose an alternative explanation to you: it seems like I'm unaccountable and blindly worshiping Trump only because you truly don't understand my posting. Ratchet up your game you might find things snapping into focus suddenly. You still may not agree with me, but you'll at least understand where I'm coming from. It's not easy, and you may not be cut out for it, but it can be done as is evidenced by a select few posters who have demonstrated such an understanding.
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On July 19 2019 03:44 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The problem is once you are on the 'all things Trump does may look awful, haphazard and impulsive but they are actually a perfectly calculated strategem' train you can't really jump off without hurting yourself badly. And xdaunts train is going real fast by now xDaunt doesn't think those tweets make Trump look awful
The tweets could have been done better, but as I have made clear, I agree with the general substance of what Trump was getting at.
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On July 19 2019 03:50 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:44 Nebuchad wrote:On July 19 2019 03:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The problem is once you are on the 'all things Trump does may look awful, haphazard and impulsive but they are actually a perfectly calculated strategem' train you can't really jump off without hurting yourself badly. And xdaunts train is going real fast by now xDaunt doesn't think those tweets make Trump look awful The tweets could have been done better, but as I have made clear, I agree with the general substance of what Trump was getting at.
And, tell us, what was the general substance Trump was getting at?
It was openly racist. A foghorn, not a dogwhistle.
What is it you agree with Trump's tweet?
Just for additional clarity?
You seem curiously hesitant to tell us.
Don't shy away now.
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On July 19 2019 02:35 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 01:45 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 19 2019 00:05 IgnE wrote:On July 18 2019 15:29 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 18 2019 13:46 IgnE wrote:On July 18 2019 13:20 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 18 2019 11:35 IgnE wrote:On July 18 2019 09:42 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 18 2019 06:57 GreenHorizons wrote:I'm reminded of this article on why white (and/or white adjacent) people think there is "anti-whiteness" everywhere they look. “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality can feel like oppression. But it’s not. What you’re feeling is just the discomfort of losing a little bit of your privilege — the same discomfort that an only child feels when she goes to preschool and discovers that there are other kids who want to play with the same toys as she does. All this anger we see from people screaming “All Lives Matter” in response to black protesters at rallies. All this anger we see from people insisting that their “religious freedom” is being infringed because a gay couple wants to get married . All these people angry about immigrants, angry about Muslims, angry about “Happy Holidays,” angry about not being able to say bigoted things without being called a bigot…+ Show Spoiler +They all basically boil down to people who have grown accustomed to walking straight at other folks, and expecting them to move. So when “those people” in their path don’t move — when those people start wondering, “Why am I always moving out of this guy’s way?”; when those people start asking themselves, “What if I didn’t move? What if I just kept walking too?”; when those people start believing that they have every bit as much right to that aisle as anyone else — it can seem like their rights are being taken away. They even see anti-white racism, divisive, fight-starting in capitalization while seeing white supremacist propaganda as conciliatory lol. You nailed it dude... I 1,000,000% agree with this.I as that as a milk-toast, Scotts-Irish, white ass American man. About 8 years ago I was confronted with the reality of my privilege and I did not want to accept it, but eventually did, and it opened my fucking eyes. “When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” Equality requires the privileged to relinquish some of their power, most are unwilling to do that. When I was a little kid growing up on the east coast in the semi-south I used to think my black friends would lie about all the horrible shit that happened to them, I thought, "why do they make this stuff up?" Turns out I just never had to deal with it, so it was invisible to me... that is privilege. What power have you relinquished in order to work towards equality? I would say the first step, and probably the most important is simply acknowledging that I have privilege, and giving up my ignorance about my privilege. The nature of privilege is ignorance, the privileged people don't have to consider the problems other people do. So in regard to racial privilege, in acknowledging it I would think there comes some degree of commitment in calling it out when I see rather than just letting it slide because, "I'm white and it doesn't affect me." If I'm playing a game a CSGO and I hear the N word (happens all the time), rather than just be ok with that, I can at the very least confront them on it, and report the account. There are many different versions of that... for example is I see a nazi symbol written on a wall, I can get a pen and mark over it. Donate to a charity organization that combats racial inequality, march for black lives matter. I haven't done these latter two things, but for a lot of my black friends growing up I apologized for not believe them when we were kids, and tell them I believe them now. Small steps, but if all privileged people did that, the world would change. I thought there was more to privilege than that. You don't sound like someone who's given much of any thought to the subject. What's the point of your post? Are you actually curious about my experience or just want something to rail against? The post GH made that I quoted, you sound exactly like the type of person that post describes. Equality feels like oppression for you, that true for you or you just never even gave it a thought? No, I'm actually just surprised at how little privilege you actually had to relinquish. It's almost like you didn't have much power in the first place. You really stretched there, too, with the suggestion to donate to BLM. Giving away money counts as giving away power I guess. But maybe the metaphorical language doesn't really work? Why do you think this idea that giving up privilege feels like oppression resonates with you so much when your examples of giving up privilege are so lame? I can think of something else that might better describe the experience of 1) conversion to a cause, 2) spreading the good news to blasphemers, and 3) tithing — but "relinquishing power" isn't it. I'll ask again... What is the point of your post? Does Equality feel like oppression for you? And if you don't think money is power, you are incredibly naive. I am trying to decide why this “relinquish (white) power” articulation seems so off to me. Who are the kind of people you imagine when you imagine indignant whites for whom giving up privilege feels like oppression? Are they people who can actually give up “power”? What kind of power do they have and don’t have, now, in 2019? And what kind of power do you gain as a “woke” white who can preach to others? I feel obliged to point out that 1) I acknowledged that giving money might be some kind of “relinquishing power” although such language feels overwrought — I’m not sure why that would be different in kind from other charitable giving or why it would feel oppressive and 2) you said you haven’t actually given money to BLM so it seems fairly moot. As for my personal opinion, no, equality doesn’t feel like oppression to me, hence my line of questioning. Personally, I am inclined more towards the idea of “recognition.” edit: given that someone posted a Nazi talking about “race-recognition” while I was typing this post, I have to now clarify that I meant “recognition” in the sense of Hegel or Levinas: recognition of the subject. Not some scientistic recognition of race, which we want to deconstruct anyway right?
You speak like someone who really doesn't understand the concept of privilege, which is really the nature of it privilege... you don't have to worry about it because it doesn't directly affect you.
If you are are white, there are a host of difficulties in life you don't have to worry about... In other words, day to day, you don't have to give these difficulties a second of thought, but minorities do, because they are affected by the difficulties. For example, as a white person, when you are pulled over by the police in America, you don't have to worry about being killed in the same way an African-American does.
When you get pulled over you expect to pay a speeding ticket. When an African-American gets pulled over they have to worry they might die.
The privileged person doesn't have to give a seconds thought to the latter problem, that is their privilege... To walk through life worrying about other things and thinking about things other than being killed by a cop.
Let's use your word... recognition. If you "recognize" your privilege, that is the first step, Yay! After you recognize it, you can do other things to be allies for minority groups, and there are varying degrees of time and effort you can put toward that.
But... by virtue of "recognizing" your privilege, you are in a sense giving up some degree of your power, because you can no longer just pretend minority groups aren't being persecuted. And it's also not enough to simply now "recognize" your privilege, you have to speak out against it... or be the person who knows and does nothing.
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On July 19 2019 03:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:50 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:44 Nebuchad wrote:On July 19 2019 03:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The problem is once you are on the 'all things Trump does may look awful, haphazard and impulsive but they are actually a perfectly calculated strategem' train you can't really jump off without hurting yourself badly. And xdaunts train is going real fast by now xDaunt doesn't think those tweets make Trump look awful The tweets could have been done better, but as I have made clear, I agree with the general substance of what Trump was getting at. And, tell us, what was the general substance Trump was getting at? It was openly racist. A foghorn, not a dogwhistle. What is it you agree with Trump's tweet? Just for additional clarity? You seem curiously hesitant to tell us. Don't shy away now.
I think when he says they "could've been done better" I think he means with proper punctuation and spelling. But he's free to specify himself, of course.
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On July 19 2019 03:42 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
The problem is once you are on the 'all things Trump does may look awful, haphazard and impulsive but they are actually a perfectly calculated strategem' train you can't really jump off without hurting yourself badly. And xdaunts train is going real fast by now
Pretty sure the Escalation of Commitment/the Sunk-Cost Fallacy and Personal Identification are relevant reading.
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About the point of those being American not loving America enough, what do you all say to this guy?
Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940) was a United States Marine Corps major general, the highest rank authorized at that time, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. Butler later became an outspoken critic of U.S. wars and their consequences. He also exposed an alleged plan to overthrow the U.S. government.
By the end of his career, Butler had received 16 medals, five for heroism. He is one of 19 men to receive the Medal of Honor twice, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal (along with Wendell Neville and David Porter) and the Medal of Honor, and the only Marine to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.
In 1933, he became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler selected to lead a march of veterans to become dictator, similar to Fascist regimes at that time. The individuals involved all denied the existence of a plot and the media ridiculed the allegations, but a final report by a special House of Representatives Committee confirmed some of Butler's testimony.
In 1935, Butler wrote a book titled War Is a Racket, where he described and criticized the workings of the United States in its foreign actions and wars, such as those he was a part of, including the American corporations and other imperialist motivations behind them. After retiring from service, he became a popular advocate, speaking at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists, and church groups in the 1930s
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I bring it up because you don't have to hate America to want better for the nation. There's nothing anti-American about criticizing America. If anything, it shows a willingness to see the defects and argue/fight for a better outcome.
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On July 19 2019 03:49 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:34 Fleetfeet wrote:On July 19 2019 03:26 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:21 Jockmcplop wrote:On July 19 2019 03:19 xDaunt wrote:On July 19 2019 03:13 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. He's a compulsive liar, I don't think it's much more complicated than that or one needs a phd to observe it. His supporters see him as a useful idiot toward their goals of a white nationalist global hegemonic empire. That's the irony in "send her back" I see. It's not like we won't go fuck up the country we sent her to as well. Colonize it and turn it into knockoff version of the country she got kicked out of. I guess the question I ponder is how bad can it get before people realize voting Biden isn't an option. Lying is a rather crude and unsophisticated way of putting it. Trump is doing his usual pacing and leading shtick. This is very deliberate. You have such an interesting way of twisting reality to fit your beliefs. I'm not twisting reality at all. I'm just recognizing things that most of you don't, because I think critically. This is strictly untrue. There have been numerous challenges along your chain of thought that have been conveniently ignored. You are the -least- accountable poster in this thread, and while people may disagree with GH or Danglars or anyone else at specific points, they are capable as people of rationally defending their stances. You have descended into full-on blind worship of a path that follows your ideals. Your supposed strength is your lack of critical thinking, not your engagement in it. Let me pose an alternative explanation to you: it seems like I'm unaccountable and blindly worshiping Trump only because you truly don't understand my posting. Ratchet up your game you might find things snapping into focus suddenly. You still may not agree with me, but you'll at least understand where I'm coming from. It's not easy, and you may not be cut out for it, but it can be done as is evidenced by a select few posters who have demonstrated such an understanding.
Why would the onus be on me to draw from your posting anything beyond the obvious push towards a fascist, 'white' America?
There is no game I need to ratchet up, no 4D-chessboard I need to understand. There is simply a poster who has been pushed and painted into being so deeply adhered to a specific political brand that he cannot under any circumstance engage the possibility that that brand has made a mistake.
Show me that there is any reason whatever to doubt that, and I will begin to doubt that. As it stands, that is by far the most plausible explanation for your posting. You are not, or have not come across as a complicated and deeply intellectual individual. The simple answer still seems the most fitting, and the onus is not on me to go digging for the complicated answer.
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On July 19 2019 03:49 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:41 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 19 2019 03:25 Danglars wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. The question is if he’ll vocally oppose it at the next rally if it happens, as he ought too. That’s for the chant. The follow up tweets to his original xenophobic one were the right note he should strike, staying away from “go back” bullshit. So that's a line too far for you to support him, the point at which he encourages chants of "go back home"? The quotation marks here are very undeserved.if you’re so careless here, as others have been on past Trump remarks, no wonder you have such trouble accepting this comment from me. Maybe you haven’t read the last five or six things I’ve said, and I ought to give you time to ignore me more completely.
I'm not sure what you mean by this response to me.
His literal statement was, "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." I don't see that as different from "go back home", the latter being more of a paraphrase.
The chant from the crowd, "send her back!"
You are right that I got the quote wrong. My apologies... And you are right, it deserves to be quoted accurately, I think the direct quote speaks volumes more.
And yes you are right, I'm not sure of everything everyone says on this forum, I cannot follow all the comments, I'm doing other things in my life.
That being said, I was genuinely curious if there was a point at which you would stop supporting trump? That is why I asked you the question. I'm happy with just a simple yes or no answer.
So that's a line too far for you to support him, the point at which he says, "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came" and encourages crowd chants of "send her back!"?
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On July 19 2019 04:22 Fleetfeet wrote:
Why would the onus be on me to draw from your posting anything beyond the obvious push towards a fascist, 'white' America?
I'm just going to stop right here. If this is the conclusion that you have drawn from my posting, then you're not worth my time.
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The onus is on you xdaunt, to explain yourself, not for other people to explain you.
Irregardless, I asked you a question, and if you are as deeply passionate as you think you are, I would had expected you to reply to express your views. Don't decide to play coy all of a sudden.
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On July 19 2019 04:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 04:22 Fleetfeet wrote:
Why would the onus be on me to draw from your posting anything beyond the obvious push towards a fascist, 'white' America? I'm just going to stop right here. If this is the conclusion that you have drawn from my posting, then you're not worth my time.
So how would you have done Trump's tweets differently? What is the part you take issue with?
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On July 19 2019 04:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 04:22 Fleetfeet wrote:
Why would the onus be on me to draw from your posting anything beyond the obvious push towards a fascist, 'white' America? I'm just going to stop right here. If this is the conclusion that you have drawn from my posting, then you're not worth my time.
That's okay, because there are other, smarter people than myself who would do a better job of holding you accountable, and you'll ignore or excuse them just the same.
The core of my point is that you are not accountable as a poster. Further refusal to explain yourself further solidifies that point, but as I am not a terribly active participant in this thread, I'm not terribly concerned with you being held accountable to me and mine. There are other people for you to answer to, and I encourage you to answer them rather than just blowing it off as them not being smart enough, or worth your time, or whatever other excuse you provide yourself against actually having to stand by and defend a reasonable point.
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On July 19 2019 04:24 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 04:22 Fleetfeet wrote:
Why would the onus be on me to draw from your posting anything beyond the obvious push towards a fascist, 'white' America? I'm just going to stop right here. If this is the conclusion that you have drawn from my posting, then you're not worth my time.
It's pretty accurate. You'd replace 'white' with 'western culture'. You probably wouldn't consider it fascist until it placed you in it's crosshairs. Other than that, it's plenty accurate imo as someone who has a familiarity with not just your inflammatory posting but the sincere stuff too.
To be fair to you you'd prefer culture be enforced through hegemonic belief rather than authoritarianism but fully condone authoritarianism abroad in the interest of your end goal.
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On July 19 2019 04:21 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:About the point of those being American not loving America enough, what do you all say to this guy? Show nested quote +Smedley Darlington Butler (July 30, 1881 – June 21, 1940) was a United States Marine Corps major general, the highest rank authorized at that time, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history. During his 34-year career as a Marine, he participated in military actions in the Philippines, China, in Central America and the Caribbean during the Banana Wars, and France in World War I. Butler later became an outspoken critic of U.S. wars and their consequences. He also exposed an alleged plan to overthrow the U.S. government.
By the end of his career, Butler had received 16 medals, five for heroism. He is one of 19 men to receive the Medal of Honor twice, one of three to be awarded both the Marine Corps Brevet Medal (along with Wendell Neville and David Porter) and the Medal of Honor, and the only Marine to be awarded the Brevet Medal and two Medals of Honor, all for separate actions.
In 1933, he became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler selected to lead a march of veterans to become dictator, similar to Fascist regimes at that time. The individuals involved all denied the existence of a plot and the media ridiculed the allegations, but a final report by a special House of Representatives Committee confirmed some of Butler's testimony.
In 1935, Butler wrote a book titled War Is a Racket, where he described and criticized the workings of the United States in its foreign actions and wars, such as those he was a part of, including the American corporations and other imperialist motivations behind them. After retiring from service, he became a popular advocate, speaking at meetings organized by veterans, pacifists, and church groups in the 1930s SourceI bring it up because you don't have to hate America to want better for the nation. There's nothing anti-American about criticizing America. If anything, it shows a willingness to see the defects and argue/fight for a better outcome.
Also this is quite accurate. When you're creating anything, anything at all, if you want to make it better you have to get it criticized to hell first. A functioning nation is no exception. The problem is, with the "Democrats hate America" crowd, "America" is code for "America exactly as it was", and not actually America. First you have to decipher the code, then you can spot it for the dogwhistle that it is. Just like how "traditional family values" actually means subjecting women to a life of child-rearing and servitude to men.
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On July 19 2019 04:23 ShambhalaWar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2019 03:49 Danglars wrote:On July 19 2019 03:41 ShambhalaWar wrote:On July 19 2019 03:25 Danglars wrote:On July 19 2019 03:05 Jockmcplop wrote:The obvious question here is why he would make those tweets if he didn't want his supporters chanting this shit? Is he stupid or is he lying to save face, just badly? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49035505President Donald Trump has disavowed the "send her back" chants directed at Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar by his supporters at a campaign rally.
Ms Omar is a US citizen who emigrated from Somalia with her family after fleeing the country's civil war.
The chants, which came after Mr Trump criticised Ms Omar and three other congresswomen, were widely condemned, including by some Republicans.
"I was not happy with it. I disagree with it," Mr Trump said of the chant. The question is if he’ll vocally oppose it at the next rally if it happens, as he ought too. That’s for the chant. The follow up tweets to his original xenophobic one were the right note he should strike, staying away from “go back” bullshit. So that's a line too far for you to support him, the point at which he encourages chants of "go back home"? The quotation marks here are very undeserved.if you’re so careless here, as others have been on past Trump remarks, no wonder you have such trouble accepting this comment from me. Maybe you haven’t read the last five or six things I’ve said, and I ought to give you time to ignore me more completely. I'm not sure what you mean by this response to me. His literal statement was, "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." I don't see that as different from "go back home", the latter being more of a paraphrase. The chant from the crowd, "send her back!" You are right that I got the quote wrong. My apologies... And you are right, it deserves to be quoted accurately, I think the direct quote speaks volumes more. And yes you are right, I'm not sure of everything everyone says on this forum, I cannot follow all the comments, I'm doing other things in my life. That being said, I was genuinely curious if there was a point at which you would stop supporting trump? That is why I asked you the question. I'm happy with just a simple yes or no answer. So that's a line too far for you to support him, the point at which he says, "go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came" and encourages crowd chants of "send her back!"?
Just a reminder for everyone the first two tweets of the 3 tweet shitstorm.
Trump claims [“Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen] note that is a plural [who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)] again plural ...[Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. ]
Now, even if that was only directed at Omar it would be blatant racism. It's textbook racist harassment.
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/nationalorigin.cfm
Harassment Based on National Origin
Ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities. Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like, "Go back to where you came from, " whether made by supervisors or by co-workers.
Let alone the rest of the american born citizens who have become elected representatives of the us government, that he's claiming come from [ the worst, most corrupt ] governments in the world. Again who is the anti american person here? Who is encouraging racism now?
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