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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
May 08 2019 19:21 GMT
#28721
New York's Senate passed legislation that allows Congress to obtain Trump's state tax returns. It's not federal, but New York is his home state and central to the discussion.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/442718-new-york-senate-passes-bill-to-allow-congress-to-request-trumps-state-tax
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-08 19:24:26
May 08 2019 19:24 GMT
#28722
I can’t speak to the NY tax scheme, but many states import a ton of data from an individual’s federal return into their state return, so there is likely some juicy stuff in there.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44203 Posts
May 08 2019 19:41 GMT
#28723
On May 09 2019 04:24 farvacola wrote:
I can’t speak to the NY tax scheme, but many states import a ton of data from an individual’s federal return into their state return, so there is likely some juicy stuff in there.

Yeah. Federal numbers appear all over state returns.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 08 2019 19:52 GMT
#28724
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Taelshin
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada420 Posts
May 08 2019 20:40 GMT
#28725
P6: I 100% agree with the post about video games man. Its out of control, the marketing to kids is brutal. I used to think it was bad when my best friend would buy the new madden every year even if they only slightly tweaked it. But now EA (which owns madden and fifa and are they biggest income games) not only gets people to buy a game every year with minimal tweaks(at least on the madden side cant speak for fifta) but the "mut" or "fut" online models just RAKE in the cash over the year, its sad. Loot boxes are gambling directed at kids but also I feel that it ends up in game companies producing worse games. It's totally an opinion but it seems like the more games companies focus on the monetization of the game (especially after they've already sold you a 60 dollar unit) seems to lead to worse results for the consumer who is looking for a good game.

Anyways good topic really I think we certainly have push back against these companies with our own wallets, though its hard to say it will have any impact with the 15 year old blowing 300 bucks on his parents credit card.

"We didnt listen"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 08 2019 20:44 GMT
#28726
The push to unionize in the video game industry couldn’t come at a better time. Because a lot of those companies you referenced have been using these types of games to pad their bottom line. And there is zero chance anyone but the developers will pay the price for decreased revenue.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 08 2019 21:01 GMT
#28727
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 08 2019 21:16 GMT
#28728
The problem with voting with your wallet against MTX, especially after paying an entry barrier, is similar to how campaign finance works. The "whales" as the industry like to call them will vote more than enough to cover many detractors, even if we remove kids from the equation.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11941 Posts
May 08 2019 21:26 GMT
#28729
On May 09 2019 06:16 Gahlo wrote:
The problem with voting with your wallet against MTX, especially after paying an entry barrier, is similar to how campaign finance works. The "whales" as the industry like to call them will vote more than enough to cover many detractors, even if we remove kids from the equation.


True, but that shouldn't stop you from not buying games like that. I personally find the idea of a company constantly trying to squeeze money out of me abhorrent, and it greatly reduces my enjoyment of a game if i feel that that is happening. Thus, i don't buy them.

However, simultaneously there should be regulations to protect vulnerably people from predatory monetization. In the same way that there are a lot of laws regulating gambling, similar regulations should also regulate all the little psychological tricks used in modern games to get money away from people without them really noticing. Loot boxes are the worst offenders, but mobile market style microtransactions are also problematic. I have no real problem with whales who can actually afford to spend that much money on a game and feel that it is worth it, but often times these people can really not afford to spend the amount of money they spend. And that is where government protections should kick in.

And maybe, as an aside, we also get more enjoyable games in the long run. I have at this point mostly checked out of the AAA market due to exactly this crap. But i guess the amount of money which i spend on games is simply peanuts to that which other people spend, so i guess i am not exactly the target group.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9324 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-08 21:31:53
May 08 2019 21:30 GMT
#28730
I think it's still possible to vote with your wallet (or even just your time if you're playing a F2P game) as a normal player, because the whales tend to follow the normies (showing off your skins is pointless when nobody is looking).
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-08 21:43:31
May 08 2019 21:43 GMT
#28731
It is really hard to vote with your wallet when it comes to entertainment and labor practices. No about of boycotting over labor practices is going put a dent in Red Dead Redemption 2's bottom line. That game will be a success no matter what. The solution has to come form within labor, because the dispute it between labor and the company. We, as consumers, are not part of the dispute. We could feel the effects, but that is it.

And I disagree with the argument that video games can be made anyplace. The last 5 years have shown that talent in video games in finite and losing talent hurts studios. If you have read anything about EA's struggles with Bioware since, you will see that a massive amount of talent leaving the studio and terrible management(due to the talent leaving) has become a major problem.

And I've said this in other threads, the secret is out when it comes to video games jobs. They are not dream jobs at magic factories that produce fun toys. They are shitty jobs with high demands, mandatory overtimes good pay and you are likely to be laid off after the game is done. People who can code have eminence value in this economy, so they are going to get jobs someplace else and be paid more. It is wild time in video games and this potential legislature is only going to make it wilder.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
May 08 2019 21:51 GMT
#28732
It can be likened to the banks. Some are too big to fail and they will make their money. Certain studios as well will make.money based on the product they've put out consistently over the years. You have to hit the big producers and not the developers, if you want to make a change in that arena. IMO.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24156 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-08 22:34:41
May 08 2019 22:31 GMT
#28733
My favorite "trick" or "innovative marketing" is creating currencies specifically to distort the established relationship of cost in dollars, further disconnect the pain of spending from the pleasure of purchasing and price things in increments that require you to purchase more currency than you want.

They basically make online company towns and use addiction (sunk-cost comes up a lot too) rather than geography to trap people in them. Problem is company towns were never specifically made illegal they just faded away (mostly) when people could escape with cars.
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Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-09 01:09:41
May 09 2019 00:44 GMT
#28734
In other somewhat big, somewhat complicated news the House Intelligence Committee has issued a "Subpoena for Counterintelligence and Foreign Intelligence Materials in Mueller Investigation, Including Report and Underlying Evidence".
Washington, DC – Today, Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, issued a subpoena to Attorney General William P. Barr for documents and materials related Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, including all counterintelligence and foreign intelligence materials produced during the Special Counsel’s investigation, the full unredacted report, and the underlying evidence. The subpoena requires the Department of Justice to produce the documents by Wednesday, May 15, 2019.

Chairman Schiff said in a statement:

“For the last month and a half, the Committee has engaged the Department of Justice in a good faith effort to reach an accommodation of our requests for all of the foreign intelligence and counterintelligence information related to the Special Counsel’s investigation, and the Mueller report and its underlying materials. The Department has repeatedly failed to respond, refused to schedule any testimony, and provided no documents responsive to our legitimate and duly authorized oversight activities.

“As both the Special Counsel and the Department of Justice have recognized, the Congress has a vital constitutional role in evaluating misconduct by the Executive Branch, including the President, and to assess and refine laws that address the ‘sweeping and systematic’ invasion of our democracy by Russia. We therefore need these materials in order to do our job. The Department’s stonewalling is simply unacceptable.

“The Department repeatedly pays lip service to the importance of a meaningful accommodation process, but it has only responded to our efforts with silence or outright defiance. Today, we have no choice but to issue a subpoena to compel their compliance. If the Department continues to ignore or rejects our requests, we will enforce our request in Congress and, if necessary, the courts.

“The law is on our side. The Committee’s efforts to obtain necessary documents to do our constitutionally-mandated oversight work will not be obstructed.”

You might be wondering what the difference in this and the previous subpoena is. Note the inclusion of "Counterintelligence and Foreign Intelligence Materials". The DOJ was citing a specific law regarding grand jury materials in their refusal to hand over the report and underlying evidence but as it turns out there is a specific sub-clause in that law added after 9/11 that allows the House Intelligence Committee to compel the DOJ to hand over grand jury material and associated material for investigations with a foreign intelligence component.

Other thing to note, this letter was co-written and co-signed by Devin Nunes. This appears to at least on the surface be a bipartisan act. Nunes is doing it for a different reason than Schiff (he apparently wants the material for an investigation into the FBI's justification into their investigation or something along those lines), but non-the-less, both people signed the letter, which I imagine will complicate things a great deal for the DOJ.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 09 2019 00:50 GMT
#28735
So why is Burr of the senate intel committee issuing a subpoena to Trump jr?
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 09 2019 01:17 GMT
#28736
On May 09 2019 09:50 CorsairHero wrote:
So why is Burr of the senate intel committee issuing a subpoena to Trump jr?

So they can play catch with a softball, allowing Jr. cover to duck any others.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4433 Posts
May 09 2019 01:53 GMT
#28737
On May 09 2019 06:01 JimmiC wrote:
Unionizing the video game industry is going to be very hard because you can make video games anywhere. I also am not sure how that helps with the loot box thing. It more helps with hours for programmers and those issues.

Would unionising impact deadline hours?
Programmers did 24+ hr stints near the end of broodwars development.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 09 2019 02:17 GMT
#28738
They subpoena’d Kushner to testify on two separate occasions as well. Maybe it’s to clear up some more details on the Trump Tower meeting.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 09 2019 02:28 GMT
#28739
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
May 09 2019 03:11 GMT
#28740
The thing to remember about the American workforce is that we only really do about 4-5 hours of real work. I think it's even less. The remaining time is wasted but the employer is paying for a butt in the seat/stall/loading dock.

If you work from home, you're probably going to work erratic hours but it'll be about the same amount of effectiveness. You'll either negotiate for a higher amount and work strictly 6 hours straight, or take the lower amount with greater flexibility. I know when I used to program in C++, I'd do 24 hour pulls during uni for the thrill of it. Nowadays, not a fucking chance. Now that I work in Architecture, I completely shut it down when I leave the office.

I assume most places are the same if the pay isn't commiserate with the workload being thrust upon them.
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