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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On May 09 2019 23:44 schaf wrote: What is the panhandle? Can anyone explain how the joke works? The panhandle of Florida is, jokingly or not, oftentimes regarded as one of the most backwards parts of the United States. Texas has a panhandle too, but I don’t think that’s what he was referring to. It’s also not as famously backwater. | ||
KwarK
United States43904 Posts
Although Florida isn’t close to the border, are they planning on putting the immigrants on trains and freighting them up to Florida so that they can be hunted for sport? How would this work? | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On May 09 2019 12:45 BerserkSword wrote: What on earth are you talking about dude lol? I dont know anything about programming, but you think construction workers, factory workers, fast food workers, waiters, retail store workers, doctors, nurses, police officers, janitors, teachers, cashiers, bus drivers, pharmacists, etc etc really only do 4-5 hours of "real work" a day??? From the experience of having dated a senior developper at a large tech company, she probably did spend about 4-5 or less hours on the average day working, but what's not being included there is the days of having to work 10+ hours for a crunch or to fix a problem that sprung up, or having to work weekends because of a problem, or having to attend meetings outside of when you would normally work, etc... | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
I second the famous Florida panhandle for backwards America jokes. Honestly, I thought storylines like “Trump tacitly endorses shooting foreign immigrants” had played out years ago. If Trump says it, it’s not a joke, it’s deadly serious. You should be worried, scared for your life, just expecting vigilante snipers at the border to pop up. In the era of very transgressive comedy delivered every couple of weeks in a new Netflix special, I thought tolerance and humor would be thriving everywhere. You gotta have your Comedian union card to flash or something. Please tell me “That’s not funny” becomes the Dem party anthem in 2020 like it was in 2016–I need to see more super-serious Pepe the Cartoon Frog campaign website explainers. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On May 10 2019 00:59 Danglars wrote: It must have been some other forum where people where joking about giving guns to fetuses a little bit ago. The knobs on “good fun” and “shit I’m offended” turn quite freely on y’all. The jig is up on assigning rules for thee, and not for me. I second the famous Florida panhandle for backwards America jokes. Honestly, I thought storylines like “Trump tacitly endorses shooting foreign immigrants” had played out years ago. If Trump says it, it’s not a joke, it’s deadly serious. You should be worried, scared for your life, just expecting vigilante snipers at the border to pop up. In the era of very transgressive comedy delivered every couple of weeks in a new Netflix special, I thought tolerance and humor would be thriving everywhere. You gotta have your Comedian union card to flash or something. Please tell me “That’s not funny” becomes the Dem party anthem in 2020 like it was in 2016–I need to see more super-serious Pepe the Cartoon Frog campaign website explainers. Ah yes, holding the president of the United States to the same standard as a TL forum seems right. I honestly dont care about him laughing but come on, you can't really think a joke on an online forum from a bunch of nobodies is the same as the president laughing about shooting immigrants. Edited to note that trump didn't make the joke, just laughed and didnt rebuke it | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On May 10 2019 00:59 Danglars wrote: It must have been some other forum where people where joking about giving guns to fetuses a little bit ago. The knobs on “good fun” and “shit I’m offended” turn quite freely on y’all. The jig is up on assigning rules for thee, and not for me. I second the famous Florida panhandle for backwards America jokes. Honestly, I thought storylines like “Trump tacitly endorses shooting foreign immigrants” had played out years ago. If Trump says it, it’s not a joke, it’s deadly serious. You should be worried, scared for your life, just expecting vigilante snipers at the border to pop up. In the era of very transgressive comedy delivered every couple of weeks in a new Netflix special, I thought tolerance and humor would be thriving everywhere. You gotta have your Comedian union card to flash or something. Please tell me “That’s not funny” becomes the Dem party anthem in 2020 like it was in 2016–I need to see more super-serious Pepe the Cartoon Frog campaign website explainers. I wonder... If Obama held a rally and went: "how do we deal with ultraright gun toting rednecks?" and A black guy in the audience shouted "Shoot them!" And everyone laughed, how would you react? Would you applaud the good joke? Or would you clutch your pearls and scream about how unprofessional and vile Obama is? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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KwarK
United States43904 Posts
On May 10 2019 00:59 Danglars wrote: It must have been some other forum where people where joking about giving guns to fetuses a little bit ago. The knobs on “good fun” and “shit I’m offended” turn quite freely on y’all. The jig is up on assigning rules for thee, and not for me. I second the famous Florida panhandle for backwards America jokes. Honestly, I thought storylines like “Trump tacitly endorses shooting foreign immigrants” had played out years ago. If Trump says it, it’s not a joke, it’s deadly serious. You should be worried, scared for your life, just expecting vigilante snipers at the border to pop up. In the era of very transgressive comedy delivered every couple of weeks in a new Netflix special, I thought tolerance and humor would be thriving everywhere. You gotta have your Comedian union card to flash or something. Please tell me “That’s not funny” becomes the Dem party anthem in 2020 like it was in 2016–I need to see more super-serious Pepe the Cartoon Frog campaign website explainers. Arming fetuses is parody. It’s not offensive. It’s a ridiculous joke scenario to illustrate the absurdity of giving full personhood to fetuses, combined with the absurdity of pro gun arguments. You’re doing the weird thing conservatives tend to do where they assume that liberals believe anything they disagree with is automatically offensive and then try to reverse that by claiming that liberals are actually the truly offensive ones. Shooting immigrants isn’t a joke when the anti immigrant president laughs about it as a solution. He’s not parodying right wing extremism, it’s simply right wing extremism. Arming babies as a solution to in-utero gun violence is a joke because it’s clearly parody. There are no instances of bad fetuses with guns that can only be stopped by a good fetus similarly armed. That’s why it’s funny. There are armed right wing gangs roaming the southern border looking for immigrants to shoot. That’s why that idea is less funny. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The president mildly admonishes jokes about attempted murder. Sweet. | ||
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KwarK
United States43904 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On May 10 2019 01:21 Plansix wrote: The president mildly admonishes a joke about shooting immigrants and asylum seekers after saying the US military can't physical assault immigrants and asylum seekers at the border. The president mildly admonishes jokes about attempted murder. Sweet. It’s not really even mild admonishment. It’s more like the creepy old grandpa on a sitcom making some gross comment like “I’d buy THAT for a dollar” about some young (possibly underage) girl and everybody laughs and shakes their head knowingly and says oh, GRANDPA...” as if to say “we know grandpa isn’t REALLY a creep, we love him and this is just how he is sometimes.” It’s barely even acknowledgement that it’s wrong, it’s trying to write it off as an endearing personality quirk of the panhandle. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2019 01:03 Plansix wrote: I’m going to joke about shooting conservatives because they want to sentence to death for having a suspicious miscarriage. It will be extra funny because the only part that is untrue is me wanting to shoot conservatives. Trump makes a joke some people take seriously, claiming the president shouldn't joke about the topic, and forumgoerr quickly responds with joke about wanting to shoot/not wanting to shoot conservatives. Hmm, what was that again about justifying jokes about violence towards conservatives that's so funny? On May 10 2019 01:04 IyMoon wrote: Ah yes, holding the president of the United States to the same standard as a TL forum seems right. I honestly dont care about him laughing but come on, you can't really think a joke on an online forum from a bunch of nobodies is the same as the president laughing about shooting immigrants. Edited to note that trump didn't make the joke, just laughed and didnt rebuke it I honestly don't care if y'all hold yourselves to different standards (as you can see, I laugh about it). As much as this stands as an open admission of your sliding scale of standards, I thank you for your honesty. The whole rally is a little boring if you don't hear the outrage, then the double take on "It's outrageous when he quips about it, but not when we do it!!!." On May 10 2019 01:15 On_Slaught wrote: The joke about the panhandle isnt the point. It's the whole "laughing along with the crowd and failing to condemn a call for the murder of immigrants" that should raise the red flag. I'll be waiting for the call to condemn fetuses with guns and "joke about shooting conservatives." You know, the joke not being the point, it's the failure to condemn which is the point. Come on, let's be disciplined and brave here. Everybody else can decry Trump for standards they won't observe themselves, but you have an opportunity to rise above the pack! Let me reiterate: On May 10 2019 00:59 Danglars wrote: Honestly, I thought storylines like “Trump tacitly endorses shooting foreign immigrants” had played out years ago. If Trump says it, it’s not a joke, it’s deadly serious. You should be worried, scared for your life, just expecting vigilante snipers at the border to pop up. In the era of very transgressive comedy delivered every couple of weeks in a new Netflix special, I thought tolerance and humor would be thriving everywhere. You gotta have your Comedian union card to flash or something. Please tell me “That’s not funny” becomes the Dem party anthem in 2020 like it was in 2016–I need to see more super-serious Pepe the Cartoon Frog campaign website explainers. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: Danglars, its not my fault you don't get my joke about shooting conservatives. But let me tell you, its plays very well. Big laughs. You shouldn't be so serious about this stuff. | ||
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brian
United States9639 Posts
things required to shoot immigrants: a ‘good guy with a gun.’ things required for a fetus to hold a gun: either a miracle heretofore unheard of, or a dead mother fetus combo. yea that’s a worthwhile comparison. On May 10 2019 01:38 Plansix wrote: Insight: He does see the difference. He doesn't care because this is the angle of concern trolling he is going to take today. He is going to pretend not to understand jokes and then admonish us all for not admonishing Kwark. no doubt. we’ve even already closed the loop there. prophecy fulfilled. if only you had said it five minutes earlier it would be quite the prediction, granted an obvious one. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 10 2019 01:35 brian wrote: that you’re equating a joke about fetuses holding a gun with the president joking about shooting immigrants is farcical through and through. if you can see no difference between the two i feel badly for you, and it has no place in an actual discussion to be frank. Insight: He does see the difference. He doesn't care because this is the angle of concern trolling he is going to take today. He is going to pretend not to understand jokes and then admonish us all for not admonishing Kwark. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 10 2019 01:35 brian wrote: that you’re equating a joke about fetuses holding a gun with the president joking about shooting immigrants is farcical through and through. if you can see no difference between the two i feel badly for you, and it has no place in an actual discussion to be frank. It's not that he cant see the difference. I have no doubt Danglars and xDaunt are fully aware of how inappropriate Trumps actions were. However current political discourse is so divisive that defending your side has become an automatic response and is hard to stop. Sometimes it feels like you have to deflect (Danglars with TL jokes) or explain away (xDaunt with it's a joke and he shook his head) every fuckup to maintain your political identity. This has probably never been so prevalent as it is with the current GOP where you see people turning on decades old beliefs just to suck up to Donald. In a healthier political setting people would be more willing to acknowledge the flaws in their candidates. Edit: I should note that nobody is immune to this, myself included. I def make the effort to hold all candidates to the same standard but it definitely is hard when Trump is in play. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 10 2019 01:35 Plansix wrote: We don’t even need to go so far as the creepy grandpa comparison. The argument that it wasn’t bad because the president mildly admonished jokes about murdering asylum seekers is breathtakingly bad all on its own. Edit: Danglars, its not my fault you don't get my joke about shooting conservatives. But let me tell you, its plays very well. Big laughs. You shouldn't be so serious about this stuff. Yep, we've just established that it's ok for you to joke about shooting conservatives. Nobody said anything different. On May 10 2019 01:03 Plansix wrote: I’m going to joke about shooting conservatives because they want to sentence to death for having a suspicious miscarriage. It will be extra funny because the only part that is untrue is me wanting to shoot conservatives. But, you see if Trump were to make the joke, it's no longer funny. I'm aware of the rules even as I make fun of the rules. Carry on. | ||
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