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On May 10 2019 01:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 01:35 Plansix wrote:
We don’t even need to go so far as the creepy grandpa comparison. The argument that it wasn’t bad because the president mildly admonished jokes about murdering asylum seekers is breathtakingly bad all on its own.
Edit: Danglars, its not my fault you don't get my joke about shooting conservatives. But let me tell you, its plays very well. Big laughs. You shouldn't be so serious about this stuff. Yep, we've just established that it's ok for you to joke about shooting conservatives. Nobody said anything different. Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 01:03 Plansix wrote:
I’m going to joke about shooting conservatives because they want to sentence to death for having a suspicious miscarriage. It will be extra funny because the only part that is untrue is me wanting to shoot conservatives. But, you see if Trump were to make the joke, it's no longer funny. I'm aware of the rules even as I make fun of the rules. Carry on.
Didn't you and the other conservatives get your panties all twisted when Hillary joked about just killing assange with a drone?
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On May 10 2019 01:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 01:35 Plansix wrote:
We don’t even need to go so far as the creepy grandpa comparison. The argument that it wasn’t bad because the president mildly admonished jokes about murdering asylum seekers is breathtakingly bad all on its own.
Edit: Danglars, its not my fault you don't get my joke about shooting conservatives. But let me tell you, its plays very well. Big laughs. You shouldn't be so serious about this stuff. Yep, we've just established that it's ok for you to joke about shooting conservatives. Nobody said anything different. Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 01:03 Plansix wrote:
I’m going to joke about shooting conservatives because they want to sentence to death for having a suspicious miscarriage. It will be extra funny because the only part that is untrue is me wanting to shoot conservatives. But, you see if Trump were to make the joke, it's no longer funny. I'm aware of the rules even as I make fun of the rules. Carry on.
ill say different. if P6 were the president that joke would be recklessly irresponsible. so much so that it should make headlines and he should be shamed, can the president be censured? if so, also censured. it would be a national embarrassment. agree? disagree?
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On May 10 2019 01:55 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 01:35 Plansix wrote:
We don’t even need to go so far as the creepy grandpa comparison. The argument that it wasn’t bad because the president mildly admonished jokes about murdering asylum seekers is breathtakingly bad all on its own.
Edit: Danglars, its not my fault you don't get my joke about shooting conservatives. But let me tell you, its plays very well. Big laughs. You shouldn't be so serious about this stuff. Yep, we've just established that it's ok for you to joke about shooting conservatives. Nobody said anything different. Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 01:03 Plansix wrote:
I’m going to joke about shooting conservatives because they want to sentence to death for having a suspicious miscarriage. It will be extra funny because the only part that is untrue is me wanting to shoot conservatives. But, you see if Trump were to make the joke, it's no longer funny. I'm aware of the rules even as I make fun of the rules. Carry on.
You do realize I am not the President of the United States, right? And that joke would not be acceptable in many places, including my job.
Do you realize that if I say "We are going to war with Iran. The missiles are on the way!" out loud on national TV it doesn't matter that much; but if the president says the same thing on national TV, the whole world is on teh look out for missiles in route to Iran?
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I’m going to disagree with the argument that because xDaunt and Danglars are intelligent individuals they must know how stupid their arguments are. You see this a lot with conservatives where they have a completely backwards understanding of why other people think the way they do and then make remarkable arguments based upon that understanding.
The classic example is shit like “you say the Bible is just words in a book but isn’t evolution also printed in books and therefore by your own logic it must be wrong” but it’s the exact same shit with identity politics, jokes, satire, police, and basically everything else.
It’s somewhat funny to hear actually. I’d wager Danglars really does believe that we believe that offensive is just something to say in Twitter hashtags to target political opponents and therefore stuff he disagrees with has equal claim to being offensive. I doubt he believes that anyone really has a problem with the President joking to supporters about state sanctioned murder of asylum seekers while his supporters are getting guns and heading to the border to fight the invasion he told them about. And if we’re willing to fake being offended about things then he might as well fake being offended about armed fetuses entering wombs to stops armed bad fetuses.
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On May 10 2019 01:58 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 01:55 Danglars wrote:On May 10 2019 01:35 Plansix wrote:
We don’t even need to go so far as the creepy grandpa comparison. The argument that it wasn’t bad because the president mildly admonished jokes about murdering asylum seekers is breathtakingly bad all on its own.
Edit: Danglars, its not my fault you don't get my joke about shooting conservatives. But let me tell you, its plays very well. Big laughs. You shouldn't be so serious about this stuff. Yep, we've just established that it's ok for you to joke about shooting conservatives. Nobody said anything different. On May 10 2019 01:03 Plansix wrote:
I’m going to joke about shooting conservatives because they want to sentence to death for having a suspicious miscarriage. It will be extra funny because the only part that is untrue is me wanting to shoot conservatives. But, you see if Trump were to make the joke, it's no longer funny. I'm aware of the rules even as I make fun of the rules. Carry on. ill say different. if P6 were the president that joke would be recklessly irresponsible. so much so that it should make headlines and he should be shamed, can the president be censured? if so, also censured. it would be a national embarrassment. agree? disagree?
You wouldn't condemn the joke now, but would were he president? That's hardly a difference in what I said at all.
I'll even go one further: You know it's blatant hypocrisy and don't really believe a person's station in life should dictate what jokes are beyond the pale. Either you can joke about shooting conservatives or you can't. The whole "but Orange man bad" excuse for jiggering with humor is dimwitted.
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On top of everything else, I would still like for one of our conservative friends to explain the joke.
See the humor in the joke about arming fetuses comes from the fact that it's taking the conservative belief that more guns make us safer and bringing it to an extreme that renders the situation completely absurd.
"Immigrants are coming to invade us aaaaahhhhhh!"
"Shoot them!"
The humor in this joke is...? Go.
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This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment.
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On May 10 2019 02:49 xDaunt wrote:
This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment.
So in this scenario we all agree that the supporter isn't joking?
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Or is the joke how Trump detractors apply special rules for their behavior, and never had any intent of observing the behavior they prescribe for Trump? I think the funniest part is defending their attacks on Trump's language, especially the naked claims of incitement, and then defending their own jokes like everybody knows Trump means it and they don't.
It's like halfway through the reasoning process, progressives realize they're now playacting religious tradcons policing jokes. Like hell they're surrender their own "millions will die" rhetoric to comply with their own rules on incitement. Go watch some Dave Chapelle reruns (if he isn't now similarly problematic like Trump ... I hardly know if this crowd will say it's funny or it's offensive)
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On May 10 2019 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 02:49 xDaunt wrote:
This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment. So in this scenario we all agree that the supporter isn't joking?
Not necessarily.
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On May 10 2019 02:58 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On May 10 2019 02:49 xDaunt wrote:
This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment. So in this scenario we all agree that the supporter isn't joking? Not necessarily.
This is some low level bait right here guys.
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On May 10 2019 02:49 xDaunt wrote:
This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment.
Do you think the armed vigilante militias hunting people who look foreign near the border makes it at all less funny?
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The president mildly admonishes joke hunting other humans because they don’t look like Americans while on national stage. No big deal.
On May 10 2019 02:58 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On May 10 2019 02:49 xDaunt wrote:
This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment. So in this scenario we all agree that the supporter isn't joking? Not necessarily.
I agree with this. It was clearly a question to see what the President thought about shooting possible illegal immigrants on sight. The President mildly disapproved. But just mildly. The man should have suggested beating the people who look like illegal immigrants to get the approval of the President.
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I am really enjoying this live display of the "It was just a joke, and here are all the reasons why" phenomenon. You don't have to defend your racist grandpa when he says something racist in front of your black friend, you just have to go "yeah, that was horrible and he shouldn't have said that". It's not difficult. It must be getting real difficult to not trip on the bar the Right has set for Trump, with how low it is.
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On May 10 2019 02:00 KwarK wrote:
I’m going to disagree with the argument that because xDaunt and Danglars are intelligent individuals they must know how stupid their arguments are. You see this a lot with conservatives where they have a completely backwards understanding of why other people think the way they do and then make remarkable arguments based upon that understanding.
The classic example is shit like “you say the Bible is just words in a book but isn’t evolution also printed in books and therefore by your own logic it must be wrong” but it’s the exact same shit with identity politics, jokes, satire, police, and basically everything else.
It’s somewhat funny to hear actually. I’d wager Danglars really does believe that we believe that offensive is just something to say in Twitter hashtags to target political opponents and therefore stuff he disagrees with has equal claim to being offensive. I doubt he believes that anyone really has a problem with the President joking to supporters about state sanctioned murder of asylum seekers while his supporters are getting guns and heading to the border to fight the invasion he told them about. And if we’re willing to fake being offended about things then he might as well fake being offended about armed fetuses entering wombs to stops armed bad fetuses.
Low key one of the best posts I have seen on this website. Never thought of it like that.
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I'm just waiting for Republicans to explain away why Trump not showing up for Inauguration day isn't a big deal.
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On May 10 2019 02:58 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On May 10 2019 02:49 xDaunt wrote:
This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment. So in this scenario we all agree that the supporter isn't joking? Not necessarily.
Good! It didn't feel like we were all agreeing.
So, again, if he is joking, how does the joke work?
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On May 10 2019 03:19 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 02:58 xDaunt wrote:On May 10 2019 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On May 10 2019 02:49 xDaunt wrote:
This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment. So in this scenario we all agree that the supporter isn't joking? Not necessarily. Good! It didn't feel like we were all agreeing. So, again, if he is joking, how does the joke work?
I was only speaking to what Trump did, because it is pretty obvious what Trump was doing when looking at everything in context. In contrast, there is no information to draw any reasonable inference regarding what the audience member intended with his comment. Accordingly, I see little point in speculating regarding what the audience member truly meant.
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On May 10 2019 03:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2019 03:19 Nebuchad wrote:On May 10 2019 02:58 xDaunt wrote:On May 10 2019 02:53 Nebuchad wrote:On May 10 2019 02:49 xDaunt wrote:
This isn’t hard. The joke is about the people of the panhandle. He is singling them out for thinking that shooting immigrants is okay and making fun of them for having that attitude. This is why I said the joke is actually a mild admonishment. So in this scenario we all agree that the supporter isn't joking? Not necessarily. Good! It didn't feel like we were all agreeing. So, again, if he is joking, how does the joke work? I was only speaking to what Trump did, because it is pretty obvious what Trump was doing when looking at everything in context. In contrast, there is no information to draw any reasonable inference regarding what the audience member intended with his comment. Accordingly, I see little point in speculating regarding what the audience member truly meant.
"There is no functioning joke mechanism" would seem to me a decent information to draw a reasonable inference.
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