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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
April 20 2018 17:34 GMT
#2601
On April 21 2018 02:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 02:11 Mohdoo wrote:
On April 21 2018 02:08 zlefin wrote:
On April 21 2018 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:
On April 21 2018 01:59 Plansix wrote:


This lawsuit is very stupid, but will like make the Trump campaign fork over some documents and defend themselves in court. Don’t really understand why they felt the need to name the Russian government, except that they want to compel the shell companies Russia set up prior to the election?

I can't help but wonder if this isn't as stupid as I think. Coincides well with memos and lines up well with Mueller's report schedule.

This is also uncharacteristicly ballsy. DNC usually a bunch of wusses. I don't think they'd do this without a high chance of a big victory.

I think they'd do it without any chanc eof victory at all simply to make a statement.

frivolous actions to make a statement are pretty common in politics after all; less common to do it via filing a lawsuit, but still happens some.
I agree it's ballsier than you usually see from the dnc.



I disagree. A innocent verdict utterly destroys DNC messaging and would be terrible. They have so, so, so much to lose with this.

The messaging damage potential is too extreme. This is very all in.
The tweets seem to imply that verdict either way is highly unlikely. That makes it a lot safer from a statement standpoint.

Ah, that makes sense. I take back everything then. Seems safer if all this does is forcibly inhect a bunch more evidence and hearings into it. The ole Benghazi strategy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 17:58:30
April 20 2018 17:57 GMT
#2602


On a lighter note, the Senate has been substantial improved by the existence of this baby. They had to change the rules because they treated all people in the senate as adults and fathers didn’t bring their babies to the senate. The dress code also had to be changed. The baby can wear whatever it wants. Hatch stepped in it real good by staying “What if there are ten babies in the Senate?” like it would be disruptive.

Yeah, what if you old fart? What if we were so fucking cool that we had 10 babies in the senate breaking? What if America was greater than it has ever been?

Babies are dope.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 18:31:20
April 20 2018 18:30 GMT
#2603
Calm down P6. We're talking about babies. Not dogs. Everyone knows are way cooler. Give me a senate with 5 dogs over 10 babies any day.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9716 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 18:34:08
April 20 2018 18:33 GMT
#2604
ignore this post
RIP Meatloaf <3
PeTraSoHot
Profile Joined February 2018
0 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 18:36:55
April 20 2018 18:34 GMT
#2605
On April 21 2018 02:57 Plansix wrote:
Hatch stepped in it real good by staying “What if there are ten babies in the Senate?” like it would be disruptive.

It would be disruptive.

On April 21 2018 02:57 Plansix wrote:
Babies are dope.

Aren't you pro-abortion?
Seems weird to think something is 'dope' that you were okay with killing the week before.

User was temp banned for this post.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 18:39:44
April 20 2018 18:35 GMT
#2606
On April 21 2018 03:30 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Calm down P6. We're talking about babies. Not dogs. Everyone knows are way cooler. Give me a senate with 5 dogs over 10 babies any day.


I applied to a law firm that had a “firm dog” that just hung out at the office to improve office spirits. The senior partner owned it. I have never been more disappointed in not getting a job. The Senate should consider adopting the same rule and get a Senate dog to future improve decorum and civility.

On April 21 2018 03:34 PeTraSoHot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 02:57 Plansix wrote:
Hatch stepped in it real good by staying “What if there are ten babies in the Senate?” like it would be disruptive.

It would be disruptive.

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 02:57 Plansix wrote:
Babies are dope.

Aren't you pro-abortion?

No one is pro-abortion. I oppose the government unlawfully restricting access to abortion for practical and ideological reasons.

And Hatch is an old fart that likes to tell tall tales about how he “earned his way to law school” when he got a free ride. Disruptive for him is when other senators debate on the realities of the bills he votes for.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21951 Posts
April 20 2018 18:45 GMT
#2607
On April 21 2018 02:57 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/MrDanZak/status/987311779649916928

On a lighter note, the Senate has been substantial improved by the existence of this baby. They had to change the rules because they treated all people in the senate as adults and fathers didn’t bring their babies to the senate. The dress code also had to be changed. The baby can wear whatever it wants. Hatch stepped in it real good by staying “What if there are ten babies in the Senate?” like it would be disruptive.

Yeah, what if you old fart? What if we were so fucking cool that we had 10 babies in the senate breaking? What if America was greater than it has ever been?

Babies are dope.
I could see 10 babies crying being rather disruptive to any sort of discussion.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 19:03 GMT
#2608
On April 21 2018 03:45 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 02:57 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/MrDanZak/status/987311779649916928

On a lighter note, the Senate has been substantial improved by the existence of this baby. They had to change the rules because they treated all people in the senate as adults and fathers didn’t bring their babies to the senate. The dress code also had to be changed. The baby can wear whatever it wants. Hatch stepped in it real good by staying “What if there are ten babies in the Senate?” like it would be disruptive.

Yeah, what if you old fart? What if we were so fucking cool that we had 10 babies in the senate breaking? What if America was greater than it has ever been?

Babies are dope.
I could see 10 babies crying being rather disruptive to any sort of discussion.

I have confidence that the senators could find a way to take the crying babies into the hall an office if necessary. They only need to be in the chambers when they vote. They are tasked with solving bigger problems in congress and somehow manage to do it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
April 20 2018 19:19 GMT
#2609
On April 20 2018 18:51 A3th3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 13:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump.


#ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories.


The libs want to embarrass Trump but the guy has been president for two years and will be for at least another two, regardless of what they do. It just seems like the liberals could be campaigning for the November mid-term elections instead, if they really wanted to be involved in the political process rather than just demonizing the current prez and making the opposition seem heroic

'just demonizing'?
I think the growing list of guilty pleas and indictments would take issue with that description.

On April 21 2018 02:57 Plansix wrote:

On a lighter note, the Senate has been substantial improved by the existence of this baby. They had to change the rules because they treated all people in the senate as adults and fathers didn’t bring their babies to the senate. The dress code also had to be changed. The baby can wear whatever it wants. Hatch stepped in it real good by staying “What if there are ten babies in the Senate?” like it would be disruptive.

Yeah, what if you old fart? What if we were so fucking cool that we had 10 babies in the senate breaking? What if America was greater than it has ever been?

Babies are dope.

I've heard 10+ babies and they reach a quorum and can form a baby senate
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
April 20 2018 20:19 GMT
#2610
On April 21 2018 04:19 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 18:51 A3th3r wrote:
On April 20 2018 13:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:
On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump.


#ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories.


The libs want to embarrass Trump but the guy has been president for two years and will be for at least another two, regardless of what they do. It just seems like the liberals could be campaigning for the November mid-term elections instead, if they really wanted to be involved in the political process rather than just demonizing the current prez and making the opposition seem heroic

'just demonizing'?
I think the growing list of guilty pleas and indictments would take issue with that description.


I think a lot of people just assume this is the left's version of Benghazi.

"Guys, we basically invented this shit, we know it is just being politically bitter. Can you please just stop?"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 20:52 GMT
#2611


Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
April 20 2018 21:02 GMT
#2612
On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512

Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future.



I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it
Something witty
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
April 20 2018 21:41 GMT
#2613
On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512

Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future.



I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it

because people are stupid, and others exploit that stupidity so the people poorly understand the situation due to the necessity of using heuristics on complex problems.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
April 20 2018 21:52 GMT
#2614
On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512

Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future.



I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it


A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
April 20 2018 21:57 GMT
#2615
People also love to complain about state workers pensions costs but they also seem to fail to notice that Alaska, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Missouri, Nevada, Ohio, Rhode Island and Texas all have some level of barring state public workers from social security their pension is all they have for retirement. Then the rest of the states may or may not allow public sector employees to pay into social security, it's a weird ass combination.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 22:01 GMT
#2616
Barring them from taking social security contributes, especially in the less wealthy states. There wouldn't be this huge pension burden on states if they allowed civil servants to collect SS and a lower pension payment.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
April 20 2018 22:07 GMT
#2617
On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:
On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512

Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future.



I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it


A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance.


If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour.
Something witty
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
April 20 2018 22:08 GMT
#2618
On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:
On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:
On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512

Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future.



I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it


A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance.


If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour.

inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage.

User was warned for this post
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
April 20 2018 22:14 GMT
#2619
On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:
On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:
On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:
On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512

Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future.



I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it


A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance.


If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour.

inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage.

No matter what thats 7.25 an hour. X 30 for kids in a class we are paying teachers 217 an hour. We would get some amazing teachers are that price
Something witty
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 22:15 GMT
#2620
On April 21 2018 07:08 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2018 07:07 IyMoon wrote:
On April 21 2018 06:52 Mohdoo wrote:
On April 21 2018 06:02 IyMoon wrote:
On April 21 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987411831248576512

Another state right to work state is faced with a teachers over education funding. We should not expect this to stop and it will like move over to other state employees pushed for more funding and support. My bet is these right to work states are going to continue to prompt strikes for the foreseeable future.



I don't get how people expect public servants work for no pay. We care about our kids! just as long as we don't have to pay for them. We care about roads!! just as long as we never pay for it. We care about all these things! As long as we never have to pay for it


A lot of people see teachers as glorified babysitters. It is a very sad situation. I'm not really sure how you convince people education is something that can have enormous benefits with increasing funding/importance.


If people see teachers as babysitters they should be paid like one. Min wage per child per hour.

inb4 all the good teachers move to states with high min. wage.

And then they would be like the students they were teaching in their old state, fleeing it for better pay and more employment options.

That is the part that convinces me that these Republicans have no idea how to govern states. Education is the number one things families moving to a new area care about. How do you cut education budgets while your own young adults are fleeing the state? A shrinking population will cause the state economy to implode. And then they somehow hope that cutting taxes will stimulate growth by attracting businesses. Rather than having well educated potential employees to attract business.
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