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On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote: People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion. Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him. *** The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel. Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law.
And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.
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On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote: People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion. Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him. *** The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel. Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law. And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.
Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house.
Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one.
All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power.
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On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote: People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion. Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him. *** The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel. Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law. And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through. Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house. Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one. All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power. A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress.
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On April 20 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote: People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion. Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him. *** The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel. Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law. And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through. Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house. Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one. All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power. A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress.
The debate over regs only exists on the fringes because most know that an internal executive branch regulation is not going to stop the executive. And the question isn't new powers, it's about encroaching separation of powers issues. I think even Graham knows this is an issue, but it's all about "sending a message."
But this is the debate, but apparently it only concerns certain Republicans. It's a joke.
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On April 20 2018 07:22 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote: People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion. Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him. *** The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel. Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law. And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through. Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house. Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one. All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power. A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress. The debate over regs only exists on the fringes because most know that an internal executive branch regulation is not going to stop the executive. And the question isn't new powers, it's about encroaching separation of powers issues. I think even Graham knows this is an issue, but it's all about "sending a message." But this is the debate, but apparently it only concerns certain Republicans. It's a joke. The President, being the executive, is bound by the regulations that the executive branch creates. He appoint people to rewrite the regulations, but he cannot circumvent them. And the regulations require that the AG have good cause to fire the special counsel. The whim of the president is no good cause.
And again, if you want to talk about bills sending a message being a joke, is sort of undercuts Harry Reid being some tyrant for killing bills that would not survive a filibuster or be vetoed.
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On April 20 2018 07:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 07:22 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote: People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion. Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him. *** The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel. Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law. And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through. Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house. Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one. All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power. A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress. The debate over regs only exists on the fringes because most know that an internal executive branch regulation is not going to stop the executive. And the question isn't new powers, it's about encroaching separation of powers issues. I think even Graham knows this is an issue, but it's all about "sending a message." But this is the debate, but apparently it only concerns certain Republicans. It's a joke. The President, being the executive, is bound by the regulations that the executive branch creates. He appoint people to rewrite the regulations, but he cannot circumvent them. And the regulations require that the AG have good cause to fire the special counsel. The whim of the president is no good cause. And again, if you want to talk about bills sending a message being a joke, is sort of undercuts Harry Reid being some tyrant for killing bills that would not survive a filibuster or be vetoed.
Wait, are you talking only about him directly firing him? that's still not 100% clear cut.
"Iron fist" wasn't my term. That was how to was reported and analyzed. In the narrow instance of the majority leader killing bills that are already dead, we all that I don't object to as much. I still think the two situations aren't the same because of the dubiousness of the action in the first place.
But my phone is dying so I'll just say that I wanted to remind people that McConnell isn't the first strong man majority leader (and trust me, as a conservative, I've seen McConnell use it agaisnt Senate conservatives).
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On April 20 2018 07:39 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 07:33 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 07:22 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote: People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion. Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him. *** The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel. Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law. And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through. Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house. Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one. All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power. A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress. The debate over regs only exists on the fringes because most know that an internal executive branch regulation is not going to stop the executive. And the question isn't new powers, it's about encroaching separation of powers issues. I think even Graham knows this is an issue, but it's all about "sending a message." But this is the debate, but apparently it only concerns certain Republicans. It's a joke. The President, being the executive, is bound by the regulations that the executive branch creates. He appoint people to rewrite the regulations, but he cannot circumvent them. And the regulations require that the AG have good cause to fire the special counsel. The whim of the president is no good cause. And again, if you want to talk about bills sending a message being a joke, is sort of undercuts Harry Reid being some tyrant for killing bills that would not survive a filibuster or be vetoed. Wait, are you talking only about him directly firing him? that's still not 100% clear cut. "Iron fist" wasn't my term. That was how to was reported and analyzed. In the narrow instance of the majority leader killing bills that are already dead, we all that I don't object to as much. I still think the two situations aren't the same because of the dubiousness of the action in the first place. But my phone is dying so I'll just say that I wanted to remind people that McConnell isn't the first strong man majority leader (and trust me, as a conservative, I've seen McConnell use it agaisnt Senate conservatives). I'm talking going full Nixon, which is how it will happen. But the regulation in this case is from the justice department and requires good cause to remove Meuller.
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Michael R. Bromwich, McCabe’s lawyer, said in a statement: “We were advised of the referral within the past few weeks. Although we believe the referral is unjustified, the standard for an [inspector general] referral is very low. We have already met with staff members from the U.S. Attorney’s Office. We are confident that, unless there is inappropriate pressure from high levels of the Administration, the U.S. Attorney’s Office will conclude that it should decline to prosecute.” McCabe seems pretty screwed. If they can prove he lied, I can't imagine a situation where they don't prosecute him despite his attorney's suggestion that doing so would likely be from "inappropriate pressure". Prosecuting the former FBI deputy director looks bad for them, but letting him off the hook might make the FBI look even worse.
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Trumps constant attacks against McCabe make any criminal charge against him very challenging for a prosecutor. But you can bet the House Republicans will scream to high heaven if no charges are brought.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/asia/north-korea-us-forces-korean-peninsula-intl/index.html
North Korea has dropped its long-held demand that the United States withdraw forces from South Korea in exchange for denuclearization, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday.
The United States has about 28,000 troops stationed in South Korea, a presence that has long irked North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.
However, in the burgeoning spirit of openness and diplomacy, Moon said Kim is willing to give up US troops' removal as a precondition for discussions over denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula.
"North Korea has expressed willingness to give up its nuclear program without making (a) demand that the (US Forces Korea) forces withdraw from the Korean Peninsula," Moon said in a meeting with the press, adding that any proposed troop withdrawal would be a "condition that the US cannot accept."
The South Korean leader, due to meet Kim next week for a historic summit in the Demilitarized Zone, the border separating the two countries, said that the North was concerned about its security.
Something I mentioned earlier in the thread. Seems like NK is willing to keep the US there now?
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Guys and gals, a quick reminder to please discuss/explain what you are posting. For example, "seems NK is willing to keep them there now" is insufficient.
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If that hold, they might be able to broker a deal. I’m still very skeptical.
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While I would love NK denuclearization, I just can't see it happening. It is literally their only ticket to the big boy table. The idea they would give that up short of the US leaving and the peninsula being unified and made an ally of China just seems implausible. Until shown otherwise, no reason to think this won't amount to jack-all just like all the previous times.
Or maybe Trump ends up being an idiot savant and solves the issue. Who knows.
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On April 20 2018 09:06 Plansix wrote: Trumps constant attacks against McCabe make any criminal charge against him very challenging for a prosecutor. But you can bet the House Republicans will scream to high heaven if no charges are brought. Wouldn't Trump's comments have more to do with the validity of his dismissal rather than any charges brought against him for misleading investigators?
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On April 20 2018 10:25 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 09:06 Plansix wrote: Trumps constant attacks against McCabe make any criminal charge against him very challenging for a prosecutor. But you can bet the House Republicans will scream to high heaven if no charges are brought. Wouldn't Trump's comments have more to do with the validity of his dismissal rather than any charges brought against him for misleading investigators? The prosecutor is part of the executive branch. It’s hard to bring a case against a guy when the president, your boss, keeps attacking.
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On April 20 2018 10:02 On_Slaught wrote: While I would love NK denuclearization, I just can't see it happening. It is literally their only ticket to the big boy table. The idea they would give that up short of the US leaving and the peninsula being unified and made an ally of China just seems implausible. Until shown otherwise, no reason to think this won't amount to jack-all just like all the previous times.
Or maybe Trump ends up being an idiot savant and solves the issue. Who knows. What if North Korea could be an actual country someday? At some point, they have to actually be a country and function internationally. That's the end game. The question is how they get there. You could argue Trump is the perfect opportunity because it is very likely Trump will be extremely willing to negotiate for the PR of being the guy to fix North Korea. It would be hilarious and would perhaps allow him to appear tolerable and competent enough to justify a second term. I think Trump can easily pitch himself as "getting results" and I think it'd be great messaging. I wouldn't vote for him, but a lot of people would be fooled.
Because of this, Kim probably thinks he has a legitimate chance at surviving if he makes a deal with Trump. Trump would leverage a picture of him and Kim shaking hands into a great deal of votes with the right campaign.
I could truly see Trump running on "world peace" as a campaign promise for his second term.
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I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump.
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