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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 19 2018 21:17 GMT
#2561
On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote:
People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion.


Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him.

***

The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel.

Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law.

And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4753 Posts
April 19 2018 22:00 GMT
#2562
On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote:
People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion.


Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him.

***

The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel.

Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law.

And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.


Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house.

Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one.

All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 19 2018 22:14 GMT
#2563
On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote:
People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion.


Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him.

***

The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel.

Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law.

And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.


Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house.

Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one.

All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power.

A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress.
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4753 Posts
April 19 2018 22:22 GMT
#2564
On April 20 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote:
People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion.


Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him.

***

The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel.

Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law.

And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.


Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house.

Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one.

All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power.

A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress.


The debate over regs only exists on the fringes because most know that an internal executive branch regulation is not going to stop the executive. And the question isn't new powers, it's about encroaching separation of powers issues. I think even Graham knows this is an issue, but it's all about "sending a message."

But this is the debate, but apparently it only concerns certain Republicans. It's a joke.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 19 2018 22:33 GMT
#2565
On April 20 2018 07:22 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote:
People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion.


Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him.

***

The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel.

Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law.

And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.


Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house.

Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one.

All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power.

A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress.


The debate over regs only exists on the fringes because most know that an internal executive branch regulation is not going to stop the executive. And the question isn't new powers, it's about encroaching separation of powers issues. I think even Graham knows this is an issue, but it's all about "sending a message."

But this is the debate, but apparently it only concerns certain Republicans. It's a joke.

The President, being the executive, is bound by the regulations that the executive branch creates. He appoint people to rewrite the regulations, but he cannot circumvent them. And the regulations require that the AG have good cause to fire the special counsel. The whim of the president is no good cause.

And again, if you want to talk about bills sending a message being a joke, is sort of undercuts Harry Reid being some tyrant for killing bills that would not survive a filibuster or be vetoed.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4753 Posts
April 19 2018 22:39 GMT
#2566
On April 20 2018 07:33 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:22 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote:
People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion.


Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him.

***

The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel.

Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law.

And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.


Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house.

Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one.

All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power.

A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress.


The debate over regs only exists on the fringes because most know that an internal executive branch regulation is not going to stop the executive. And the question isn't new powers, it's about encroaching separation of powers issues. I think even Graham knows this is an issue, but it's all about "sending a message."

But this is the debate, but apparently it only concerns certain Republicans. It's a joke.

The President, being the executive, is bound by the regulations that the executive branch creates. He appoint people to rewrite the regulations, but he cannot circumvent them. And the regulations require that the AG have good cause to fire the special counsel. The whim of the president is no good cause.

And again, if you want to talk about bills sending a message being a joke, is sort of undercuts Harry Reid being some tyrant for killing bills that would not survive a filibuster or be vetoed.


Wait, are you talking only about him directly firing him? that's still not 100% clear cut.

"Iron fist" wasn't my term. That was how to was reported and analyzed. In the narrow instance of the majority leader killing bills that are already dead, we all that I don't object to as much. I still think the two situations aren't the same because of the dubiousness of the action in the first place.

But my phone is dying so I'll just say that I wanted to remind people that McConnell isn't the first strong man majority leader (and trust me, as a conservative, I've seen McConnell use it agaisnt Senate conservatives).
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 19 2018 22:46 GMT
#2567
On April 20 2018 07:39 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2018 07:33 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:22 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:14 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 07:00 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote:
On April 20 2018 06:06 Introvert wrote:
On April 20 2018 03:17 Plansix wrote:
People didn’t like Harry Reid for a ton of reasons, but I don’t believe there were as many fights over bills coming to the floor during his 10 years as leader. His big mistake was the rule change that allowed for Judges and appointment to be confirmed with 50 votes because Republicans were holding up Obama’s nominations since like 2011 on. That shit has backfired in spectacular fashion.


Reid controlled the Senate like no majority leader before him, often the phrase "iron fist" was used. Not bringing things to the floor was one of his specialties, it's why Obama vetoed fewer bills than (almost?) any other president before him.

***

The Mueller bill is dumb signaling. A) Trump won't sign it, B) it's not even clear that Congress has the authority to protect a special counsel.

Yeah, but he was the leader of the Senate from 2005-2015 and that was not his practice during the Bush years. I am aware that post 2010 House republicans didn’t like him under Obama because he killed their ACA repeals and whatever other trash bills they kicked up to the Senate to die. I am also aware that is why the House Republicans did it, because it’s easy to vote for bad bills that you know won’t become law.

And I disagree that the bill is a bad idea. It is a vote on the record that Republicans will vote against the President if pushed. The president is free to veto the bill if he wants. Just like Obama did with all those ACA repeals that the Republican House and Senate voted through.


Of course that wasn't his practice, the other party controlled the white house.

Well at least this post is closer to correct than the first one.

All we learn from the Mueller bill is who gets their authority and who wants to "send a message." I'm no fan of McConnell but there is no reason to let this bill go that far. At least repealing the ACA was within their power.

A requirement that the executive branch demonstrate good cause for firing Mueller is not unreasonable, especially since it is in the justice department regs. Creating a formal process for the regulations to be enforced is not outside their power. They are not creating new powers for congress.


The debate over regs only exists on the fringes because most know that an internal executive branch regulation is not going to stop the executive. And the question isn't new powers, it's about encroaching separation of powers issues. I think even Graham knows this is an issue, but it's all about "sending a message."

But this is the debate, but apparently it only concerns certain Republicans. It's a joke.

The President, being the executive, is bound by the regulations that the executive branch creates. He appoint people to rewrite the regulations, but he cannot circumvent them. And the regulations require that the AG have good cause to fire the special counsel. The whim of the president is no good cause.

And again, if you want to talk about bills sending a message being a joke, is sort of undercuts Harry Reid being some tyrant for killing bills that would not survive a filibuster or be vetoed.


Wait, are you talking only about him directly firing him? that's still not 100% clear cut.

"Iron fist" wasn't my term. That was how to was reported and analyzed. In the narrow instance of the majority leader killing bills that are already dead, we all that I don't object to as much. I still think the two situations aren't the same because of the dubiousness of the action in the first place.

But my phone is dying so I'll just say that I wanted to remind people that McConnell isn't the first strong man majority leader (and trust me, as a conservative, I've seen McConnell use it agaisnt Senate conservatives).

I'm talking going full Nixon, which is how it will happen. But the regulation in this case is from the justice department and requires good cause to remove Meuller.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
April 19 2018 23:28 GMT
#2568
This seems pretty big. Would be crazy if Comey ended up testifying against him

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inspector-general-referred-findings-on-mccabe-to-us-attorney-for-consideration-of-criminal-charges/2018/04/19/a200cabc-43f3-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_mccabe-210pm:homepage/story


The U.S. attorney’s office met with McCabe’s legal team in recent weeks, though it was not immediately clear whether prosecutors there were conducting their own investigation or believed criminal charges are appropriate.

The referral raises the possibility that McCabe could be charged and jailed for his alleged misconduct — perhaps with Comey testifying as a witness against him. A referral to federal prosecutors, though, does not necessarily mean McCabe will be charged.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-19 23:50:42
April 19 2018 23:49 GMT
#2569
Fatfingered on mobile.
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 00:06:01
April 20 2018 00:04 GMT
#2570
On April 20 2018 08:28 Mohdoo wrote:
This seems pretty big. Would be crazy if Comey ended up testifying against him

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/inspector-general-referred-findings-on-mccabe-to-us-attorney-for-consideration-of-criminal-charges/2018/04/19/a200cabc-43f3-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_mccabe-210pm:homepage/story

Show nested quote +

The U.S. attorney’s office met with McCabe’s legal team in recent weeks, though it was not immediately clear whether prosecutors there were conducting their own investigation or believed criminal charges are appropriate.

The referral raises the possibility that McCabe could be charged and jailed for his alleged misconduct — perhaps with Comey testifying as a witness against him. A referral to federal prosecutors, though, does not necessarily mean McCabe will be charged.

Michael R. Bromwich, McCabe’s lawyer, said in a statement: “We were advised of the referral within the past few weeks. Although we believe the referral is unjustified, the standard for an [inspector general] referral is very low. We have already met with staff members from the U.S. Attorney’s Office. We are confident that, unless there is inappropriate pressure from high levels of the Administration, the U.S. Attorney’s Office will conclude that it should decline to prosecute.”

McCabe seems pretty screwed. If they can prove he lied, I can't imagine a situation where they don't prosecute him despite his attorney's suggestion that doing so would likely be from "inappropriate pressure". Prosecuting the former FBI deputy director looks bad for them, but letting him off the hook might make the FBI look even worse.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 00:06 GMT
#2571
Trumps constant attacks against McCabe make any criminal charge against him very challenging for a prosecutor. But you can bet the House Republicans will scream to high heaven if no charges are brought.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 00:23:12
April 20 2018 00:15 GMT
#2572
https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/asia/north-korea-us-forces-korean-peninsula-intl/index.html

North Korea has dropped its long-held demand that the United States withdraw forces from South Korea in exchange for denuclearization, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday.

The United States has about 28,000 troops stationed in South Korea, a presence that has long irked North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

However, in the burgeoning spirit of openness and diplomacy, Moon said Kim is willing to give up US troops' removal as a precondition for discussions over denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula.

"North Korea has expressed willingness to give up its nuclear program without making (a) demand that the (US Forces Korea) forces withdraw from the Korean Peninsula," Moon said in a meeting with the press, adding that any proposed troop withdrawal would be a "condition that the US cannot accept."

The South Korean leader, due to meet Kim next week for a historic summit in the Demilitarized Zone, the border separating the two countries, said that the North was concerned about its security.


Something I mentioned earlier in the thread. Seems like NK is willing to keep the US there now?
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24680 Posts
April 20 2018 00:21 GMT
#2573
Guys and gals, a quick reminder to please discuss/explain what you are posting. For example, "seems NK is willing to keep them there now" is insufficient.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 00:22 GMT
#2574
If that hold, they might be able to broker a deal. I’m still very skeptical.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 01:03:29
April 20 2018 01:02 GMT
#2575
While I would love NK denuclearization, I just can't see it happening. It is literally their only ticket to the big boy table. The idea they would give that up short of the US leaving and the peninsula being unified and made an ally of China just seems implausible. Until shown otherwise, no reason to think this won't amount to jack-all just like all the previous times.

Or maybe Trump ends up being an idiot savant and solves the issue. Who knows.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 01:50:42
April 20 2018 01:25 GMT
#2576
On April 20 2018 09:06 Plansix wrote:
Trumps constant attacks against McCabe make any criminal charge against him very challenging for a prosecutor. But you can bet the House Republicans will scream to high heaven if no charges are brought.

Wouldn't Trump's comments have more to do with the validity of his dismissal rather than any charges brought against him for misleading investigators?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 02:03 GMT
#2577
On April 20 2018 10:25 Tachion wrote:
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On April 20 2018 09:06 Plansix wrote:
Trumps constant attacks against McCabe make any criminal charge against him very challenging for a prosecutor. But you can bet the House Republicans will scream to high heaven if no charges are brought.

Wouldn't Trump's comments have more to do with the validity of his dismissal rather than any charges brought against him for misleading investigators?

The prosecutor is part of the executive branch. It’s hard to bring a case against a guy when the president, your boss, keeps attacking.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-20 02:56:19
April 20 2018 02:53 GMT
#2578
On April 20 2018 10:02 On_Slaught wrote:
While I would love NK denuclearization, I just can't see it happening. It is literally their only ticket to the big boy table. The idea they would give that up short of the US leaving and the peninsula being unified and made an ally of China just seems implausible. Until shown otherwise, no reason to think this won't amount to jack-all just like all the previous times.

Or maybe Trump ends up being an idiot savant and solves the issue. Who knows.

What if North Korea could be an actual country someday? At some point, they have to actually be a country and function internationally. That's the end game. The question is how they get there. You could argue Trump is the perfect opportunity because it is very likely Trump will be extremely willing to negotiate for the PR of being the guy to fix North Korea. It would be hilarious and would perhaps allow him to appear tolerable and competent enough to justify a second term. I think Trump can easily pitch himself as "getting results" and I think it'd be great messaging. I wouldn't vote for him, but a lot of people would be fooled.

Because of this, Kim probably thinks he has a legitimate chance at surviving if he makes a deal with Trump. Trump would leverage a picture of him and Kim shaking hands into a great deal of votes with the right campaign.

I could truly see Trump running on "world peace" as a campaign promise for his second term.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 20 2018 03:31 GMT
#2579
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/read-the-comey-memos-the-justice-department-just-gave-to-congress

Some of Comey's notes made about Trump after his meetings with him were released to the public. I didn't get to read through them all, but some headlines I've read over are like "Comey memo: Trump said Vladimir Putin told him, 'We have some of the most beautiful hookers in the world'".
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 20 2018 03:33 GMT
#2580
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump.
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