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On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump.
#ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories.
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On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump.
What big thing has just happened that they need to draw attention away from is my initial thought.
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On April 20 2018 13:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump. #ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories.
The libs want to embarrass Trump but the guy has been president for two years and will be for at least another two, regardless of what they do. It just seems like the liberals could be campaigning for the November mid-term elections instead, if they really wanted to be involved in the political process rather than just demonizing the current prez and making the opposition seem heroic
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On April 20 2018 18:51 A3th3r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 13:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump. #ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories. The libs want to embarrass Trump but the guy has been president for two years and will be for at least another two, regardless of what they do. It just seems like the liberals could be campaigning for the November mid-term elections instead, if they really wanted to be involved in the political process rather than just demonizing the current prez and making the opposition seem heroic
it's not quite "regardless" of what they do. if trump is impeached and removed from office then he won't get another two years in office.
sadly republicans don't have the decency to do so.
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On April 20 2018 18:51 A3th3r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 13:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump. #ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories. The libs want to embarrass Trump but the guy has been president for two years and will be for at least another two, regardless of what they do. It just seems like the liberals could be campaigning for the November mid-term elections instead, if they really wanted to be involved in the political process rather than just demonizing the current prez and making the opposition seem heroic
Who are "the libs"? I don't see what social liberals or economic liberals have to do with anything, even if both groups are within the republican party themselves.
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On April 20 2018 18:51 A3th3r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 13:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump. #ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories. The libs want to embarrass Trump but the guy has been president for two years and will be for at least another two, regardless of what they do. It just seems like the liberals could be campaigning for the November mid-term elections instead, if they really wanted to be involved in the political process rather than just demonizing the current prez and making the opposition seem heroic
This is a case of wanting to be right so badly you don't see what's wrong. Any other president, republican or democrat, would have been impeached a long time ago by now. This isn't about "the libs wanting to throw out a rep because "silly libs"", this is a case of "the world wanting Trump gone because he's woefully bad at his job and actively hurts everyone in his country and outside every day he's in office"
And democrats are campaigning for the mid terms. By all accounts there seems to be a blue wave washing over the country atm to get majority in the senate so those who's job is to keep the president in check can actually start doing so.
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WaPo has an article about Trump's wealth out today. And there are tapes!
It kind of begs the question where his money really came from.
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On April 20 2018 23:45 ticklishmusic wrote:WaPo has an article about Trump's wealth out today. And there are tapes!It kind of begs the question where his money really came from.
This plot device the author is using of "oh my word, I was conned so badly and I suddenly feel the need to confess it now" is a bit overdone, imo. It actually hurt the thrust of the article for me.
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On April 21 2018 00:53 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 23:45 ticklishmusic wrote:WaPo has an article about Trump's wealth out today. And there are tapes!It kind of begs the question where his money really came from. This plot device the author is using of "oh my word, I was conned so badly and I suddenly feel the need to confess it now" is a bit overdone, imo. It actually hurt the thrust of the article for me.
Writers can't help but be utterly self absorbed.
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On April 20 2018 18:51 A3th3r wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2018 13:26 Wulfey_LA wrote:On April 20 2018 12:33 Plansix wrote:
I am really confused why the Republicans wanted these released. They are not flattering for Trump. #ReleaseTheMemos was a great hashtag and was enough to keep Trumpkins/FOXIES thinking that Republicans were transparency advocates. It was never about the content of the memos or actually getting them released. The point was to win the 4 hour news cycle between WAPO/NYT Trump stories. The libs want to embarrass Trump but the guy has been president for two years and will be for at least another two, regardless of what they do. It just seems like the liberals could be campaigning for the November mid-term elections instead, if they really wanted to be involved in the political process rather than just demonizing the current prez and making the opposition seem heroic**
I see we have descended to the "stop picking on me!" phase of defending Trump. Why bother discussing the merits, facts, issues, laws, policies, etc. when you can just cry about demonization?
Also, you screwed up your negatives. Yes, the Dem opposition** does seem heroic relative to the villainous Trump shielding Republicans.
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This lawsuit is very stupid, but will like make the Trump campaign fork over some documents and defend themselves in court. Don’t really understand why they felt the need to name the Russian government, except that they want to compel the shell companies Russia set up prior to the election?
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On April 21 2018 01:59 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987361680748417026This lawsuit is very stupid, but will like make the Trump campaign fork over some documents and defend themselves in court. Don’t really understand why they felt the need to name the Russian government, except that they want to compel the shell companies Russia set up prior to the election?
I can't help but wonder if this isn't as stupid as I think. Coincides well with memos and lines up well with Mueller's report schedule.
This is also uncharacteristicly ballsy. DNC usually a bunch of wusses. I don't think they'd do this without a high chance of a big victory.
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On April 21 2018 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 01:59 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987361680748417026This lawsuit is very stupid, but will like make the Trump campaign fork over some documents and defend themselves in court. Don’t really understand why they felt the need to name the Russian government, except that they want to compel the shell companies Russia set up prior to the election? I can't help but wonder if this isn't as stupid as I think. Coincides well with memos and lines up well with Mueller's report schedule. This is also uncharacteristicly ballsy. DNC usually a bunch of wusses. I don't think they'd do this without a high chance of a big victory.
I think they'd do it without any chanc eof victory at all simply to make a statement.
frivolous actions to make a statement are pretty common in politics after all; less common to do it via filing a lawsuit, but still happens some.
I agree it's ballsier than you usually see from the dnc.
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On April 21 2018 02:08 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 01:59 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987361680748417026This lawsuit is very stupid, but will like make the Trump campaign fork over some documents and defend themselves in court. Don’t really understand why they felt the need to name the Russian government, except that they want to compel the shell companies Russia set up prior to the election? I can't help but wonder if this isn't as stupid as I think. Coincides well with memos and lines up well with Mueller's report schedule. This is also uncharacteristicly ballsy. DNC usually a bunch of wusses. I don't think they'd do this without a high chance of a big victory.
I think they'd do it without any chanc eof victory at all simply to make a statement.frivolous actions to make a statement are pretty common in politics after all; less common to do it via filing a lawsuit, but still happens some. I agree it's ballsier than you usually see from the dnc.
I disagree. A innocent verdict utterly destroys DNC messaging and would be terrible. They have so, so, so much to lose with this.
The messaging damage potential is too extreme. This is very all in.
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On April 21 2018 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 01:59 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987361680748417026This lawsuit is very stupid, but will like make the Trump campaign fork over some documents and defend themselves in court. Don’t really understand why they felt the need to name the Russian government, except that they want to compel the shell companies Russia set up prior to the election? I can't help but wonder if this isn't as stupid as I think. Coincides well with memos and lines up well with Mueller's report schedule. This is also uncharacteristicly ballsy. DNC usually a bunch of wusses. I don't think they'd do this without a high chance of a big victory.
My most charitable view on this is that they filed it because they suspect members of the RNC or Republican leadership were far more aware of what was going on with wikileaks(?) and Russia(?) and they want to dig into that. But filing bullshit lawsuits is a totally reasonable political plan that the RNC loved to use against Obama. So I support this stupid stupid plan as long as they aren't talking about it all the time.
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On April 21 2018 02:11 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 02:08 zlefin wrote:On April 21 2018 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 01:59 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987361680748417026This lawsuit is very stupid, but will like make the Trump campaign fork over some documents and defend themselves in court. Don’t really understand why they felt the need to name the Russian government, except that they want to compel the shell companies Russia set up prior to the election? I can't help but wonder if this isn't as stupid as I think. Coincides well with memos and lines up well with Mueller's report schedule. This is also uncharacteristicly ballsy. DNC usually a bunch of wusses. I don't think they'd do this without a high chance of a big victory.
I think they'd do it without any chanc eof victory at all simply to make a statement.frivolous actions to make a statement are pretty common in politics after all; less common to do it via filing a lawsuit, but still happens some. I agree it's ballsier than you usually see from the dnc. I disagree. A innocent verdict utterly destroys DNC messaging and would be terrible. They have so, so, so much to lose with this. The messaging damage potential is too extreme. This is very all in.
since when does reality get in the way of political messages 
a verdict would also take ages to come in, plus then there's appeals; and it's not a criminal trial, so the verdict isn't really "innocent" at any rate. and it's really not hard to spin things to find a problem with the way it was handled.
and I doubt this would even get to a verdict.
it's really not even close to all-in.
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On April 21 2018 02:11 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2018 02:08 zlefin wrote:On April 21 2018 02:01 Mohdoo wrote:On April 21 2018 01:59 Plansix wrote:https://twitter.com/nprpolitics/status/987361680748417026This lawsuit is very stupid, but will like make the Trump campaign fork over some documents and defend themselves in court. Don’t really understand why they felt the need to name the Russian government, except that they want to compel the shell companies Russia set up prior to the election? I can't help but wonder if this isn't as stupid as I think. Coincides well with memos and lines up well with Mueller's report schedule. This is also uncharacteristicly ballsy. DNC usually a bunch of wusses. I don't think they'd do this without a high chance of a big victory.
I think they'd do it without any chanc eof victory at all simply to make a statement.frivolous actions to make a statement are pretty common in politics after all; less common to do it via filing a lawsuit, but still happens some. I agree it's ballsier than you usually see from the dnc. I disagree. A innocent verdict utterly destroys DNC messaging and would be terrible. They have so, so, so much to lose with this. The messaging damage potential is too extreme. This is very all in. The tweets seem to imply that verdict either way is highly unlikely. That makes it a lot safer from a statement standpoint.
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The US courts have questionable jurisdiction over foreign governments. Especially ones that don't give a shit about US laws.
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